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6 minutes ago, Piperita said:

In other words: Until the userfiles are in, German reserve teams are almost useless.

****, thanks for the reminder there. Was gonna still start in the 2.Bundesliga but I'll do a different league for my first save now.

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6 minutes ago, jlammi said:

When full game is out can we add it from editor? if not we cant play oberliga and suchs...

It will almost certainly be possible to add leagues to FM19 in the same manner as previous version of the game. You will need to have any edited files in place BEFORE starting a new game, naturally.

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6 minutes ago, Spurs08 said:

****, thanks for the reminder there. Was gonna still start in the 2.Bundesliga but I'll do a different league for my first save now.

For pure beta saves it is no biggie. Maybe, maybe for Hamburg/Köln in long-ish tests because those two have a good setup and should sooner or later establish themselves in the Bundesliga. 

Otherwise it should be okay for now. Second league team's reserve have to be at most fourth league and on average their good youth is good enough for backup duty/reserve friendlies and the okay ones are probably just a bit money made regardless of setup.

It just really hurts in long games and for certain Bundesliga teams. And of course for micromanagers like myself. 

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Just now, Piperita said:

For pure beta saves it is no biggie. Maybe, maybe for Hamburg/Köln in long-ish tests because those two have a good setup and should sooner or later establish themselves in the Bundesliga. 

Otherwise it should be okay for now. Second league team's reserve have to be at most fourth league and on average their good youth is good enough for backup duty/reserve friendlies and the okay ones are probably just a bit money made regardless of setup.

It just really hurts in long games and for certain Bundesliga teams. And of course for micromanagers like myself. 

I am both a micromanager and someone who likes to play long-term so it's a fairly big deal for me.

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2 minutes ago, Spurs08 said:

I am both a micromanager and someone who likes to play long-term so it's a fairly big deal for me.

Yeah, then it really can cause some problems. I play similarly and I bought the ingame editor to FM17 solely to boost my reserve's reputation so they would get up to the playable leagues. 

 

Out of interest: Are you planning to play the beta long enough for it to matter or are you going to continue the save for the official release?

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24 minutes ago, Wavelberry said:

While this isn't a surprise and is fair enough because of licensing I am pretty disappointed that several people asked a question about it directly and nobody just said what Neil has said above. Not sure why it couldn't have been said before release as am pretty certain (most) people would understand.

Even more disappointing after a screenshot was released showing 3.Liga as selectable & there was no correction statement.

Bad SI

Fingers crosses that the very strict license restriction in Germany have not resulted in some form of editor lockout preventing creation of a lower league database & that club/player data does exist below 2.Bundesliga.

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3 minutes ago, Piperita said:

Yeah, then it really can cause some problems. I play similarly and I bought the ingame editor to FM17 solely to boost my reserve's reputation so they would get up to the playable leagues. 

 

Out of interest: Are you planning to play the beta long enough for it to matter or are you going to continue the save for the official release?

Continue the save - I've never really had problems with it before and I trust if there's any truly horrendous bugs that would make me want to wait for full release the community will probably spot them pretty quickly.

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License restriction are what they are & the German market is a potentially important one to drive increased sales so the business decision to go forward without a DFB licenese & remove any properties owned by them makes sense, just a shame there was no response from SI to say the league would not be included &/or they were looking into obtaining a DFB license.

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Have a look into the editor forum when the game is officially released. 

Usually within two weeks there are lower league files for various leagues available.

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Gerade eben schrieb davidmn27:

Does this mean if you manage a german top flight team your reserves wont play in a league??

Most of them are playing the Regionalliga, not in the 3. Liga. So you would need a lower league file anyway.

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2 minutes ago, KUBI said:

Have a look into the editor forum when the game is officially released. 

Usually within two weeks there are lower league files for various leagues available.

Hopefully that is an option for FM19 & if so that SI have checked their legal position with local specialists that they are not at risk from litigation by releasing a free to use tool which permits the end user to circumvent licensing restrictions.

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1 minute ago, davidmn27 said:

Ah ok thank you.  So is there anything you can do to get your reserves teams active?  Or will it have to be friendlies only?

Reserve teams will play simulated matches & players will build up match experience, there has not been a need to organise friendlies for teams that are in inactive divisions for quite a few years now.

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1 minute ago, Barside said:

Reserve teams will play simulated matches & players will build up match experience, there has not been a need to organise friendlies for teams that are in inactive divisions for quite a few years now.

Excellent, thanks

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Gerade eben schrieb N^G:

Really poor form not to make this information available up front.

Nobody knows when SI did know it. Maybe they tried it until the release and failed. Licensing is something very complicated these days.

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1 minute ago, KUBI said:

Nobody knows when SI did know it. Maybe they tried it until the release and failed. Licensing is something very complicated these days.

Aye fair, but say. Especially when they have been asked directly and the aforementioned screenie above.

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In Germany the league association is the rights holder for the top 2 divisions only.

The 3rd tier rights are held by the FA.

SI had a deal with the league, but apparently not with the FA.

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2 hours ago, Barside said:

Hopefully that is an option for FM19 & if so that SI have checked their legal position with local specialists that they are not at risk from litigation by releasing a free to use tool which permits the end user to circumvent licensing restrictions.

The Editor has been made available for years now and I believe it has already been announced for FM19. So this is not in any doubt.

I'm using a FM18 file which goes down to the Landesliga, I'm sure there will be something similar for FM19.

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An editor being made available is not in doubt but given the nature of German IP law which is strict enough to have previosuly prevented the sale of FM locally due to a lack of any official licenses it's not a stretch to imagine that those same laws would look unfavourably on an SI created & suppplied tool which allows end users to create content that enables the inclusion of unlicensed content such as the 3.Liga & national team, last thing I'd want to see is SI finding themselves in court & on the wrong end of a costly legal bill.

What is plausible is that the editor could be coded in such a way to prevent access to the German data entirely or have it in a read only format that prevents the user from altering it & the league structure so that unlicense content cannot be added, who knows? Could be that we get full unrestricted access & I'll just have to wait for the editor's hideaway foilk to confim if a working lower league edit to the German league can be created before I buy the game.

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vor 1 Minute schrieb Barside:

An editor being made available is not in doubt but given the nature of German IP law which is strict enough to previosuly prevent the sale of FM locally due to a lack of any official license it's not a stretch to imagine that those same laws would look unfavourably on an SI created & suppplied tool that allows end users to create content that enables the inclusion of unlicensed content such as the 3.Liga & national team.

What is plausible is that the editor could be coded in such a way to prevent access to the German data entirely or have it in a read only format that prevents the user from altering it & the league structure so that unlicense content cannot be added, who knows? Could be that we get full unrestricted access & I'll just have to wait for the editor's hideaway foilk to confim if a working lower league edit to the German league can be created before I buy the game.

The first part is really pure speculation. Just wait and see.

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Gerade eben schrieb Barside:

Which is why I included the second paragraph, Kubi.

You know that some people just read the first paragraph. :D

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8 hours ago, KUBI said:

The second is starting usually with ...but I'm not... :D

So this one is valid.

Like I mentioned earlier, I'm playing down in the Landesliga in FM18, and using the file which I don't believe we're allowed to talk about here which - well, best leave that there.

Are you implying, as Barside inferred, that there will be a lock in the new Editor which prevents any changes to the German data in FM19 ? If so then this is a very troubling development.

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vor 6 Minuten schrieb White Flag:

Like I mentioned earlier, I'm playing down in the Landesliga in FM18, and using the file which I don't believe we're allowed to talk about here which - well, best leave that there.

Are you implying, as Barside inferred, that there will be a lock in the new Editor which prevents any changes to the German data in FM19 ? If so then this is a very troubling development.

I'm implying nothing. 

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