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Please post any data issues related to any non-represented country in Oceania here.

As much of the data is subjective we’d ask that you respect everyone’s opinion and accept that the final decision is that of our club researchers and our heads of research. 

We also request you please adhere to the following three point plan when posting in the data topics:

·        State what you think is specifically wrong with a particular piece of data.                             

·        State what you think the data should be.                       

·        State reasons/proof for your suggested corrections/improvements.                       

Please note that any non-data issues for Oceania should be posted in the appropriate thread within the League Specific Issues Forum. This would include issues such as league scheduling and league rules.

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Ronaldo Wilkins is doubled, having a profile in Erakor GS and Tasman in NZ. 

The right profile is at Tasman United. He's primarly a Winger at left  - and also right, but less efective - and can play if needed in the Midfield. 

Wilkins doubled.png

Edited by Saltori
To correct the chosen file and add info.

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Obert Bika is doubled. The right profile is the first one where he's already at Toti City squad.

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8 hours ago, Saltori said:

Ronaldo Wilkins is doubled, having a profile in Erakor GS and Tasman in NZ. 

The right profile is at Tasman United. He's primarly a Winger at left  - and also right, but less efective - and can play if needed in the Midfield. 

Thank you Saltori.

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8 hours ago, Saltori said:

Obert Bika is doubled. The right profile is the first one where he's already at Toti City squad.

Cheers.

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On ‎20‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 21:07, ppflanel said:

Thanks, the moves for McHenery, Jennings and Minniceon have been requested, Alvin Singh is actually Mt Druitt Town Rangers instead of APIA though: http://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=197536574&client=1-10179-150721-478051-26142099&ocompID=478051

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Mohammad Rajani is sensible better than what his ingame profile. I followed his football in Oceania U19 tournament and some adjustments should fit. 

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He was the penalty taker of Tonga. At least 8 there I'd assume. He might have 10-11 in passing and technique as well. And at least 6 at marking. He's a little faster than it and decisions, teamwork and bravery should be 9-11 range.

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1 hour ago, Schwoods said:

Thanks, the moves for McHenery, Jennings and Minniceon have been requested, Alvin Singh is actually Mt Druitt Town Rangers instead of APIA though: http://websites.sportstg.com/team_info.cgi?action=PSTATS&pID=197536574&client=1-10179-150721-478051-26142099&ocompID=478051

Thanks, my bad didn't do enough research about Singh..

What about the other players? Will they be adjusted as well? Or is this a thing for the head researcher NZ/Oceania?

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1 minute ago, ppflanel said:

Thanks, my bad didn't do enough research about Singh..

What about the other players? Will they be adjusted as well? Or is this a thing for the head researcher NZ/Oceania?

Yes, the rest are for the NZ/Oceania researcher to request

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Not 100% that this is the correct place, but noticed something weird with the Pacific Games 2019.  When I checked to see who had won on the overview screen, it had New Zealand as title holders (under that header) yet had Papa New Guinea as having won the tournament in the 'Past winners' on the very same screen.  

Went to both nations own pages then checked their 'history' and 'competitions'.  Papa New Guinea have Pacific Games 2019 winners in honours whilst there's nothing under New Zealand's.  Looked into it further and Papa New Guinea won group A whilst New Zealand won group B, but strangely didn't progress, with 2nd and 3rd qualifying instead?

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HR American Samoa

FC SKBC wear red and blue striped shirts (similar to Barcelona)
https://www.oceaniafootball.com/archives-4099/

Atu'u Broncos wear blue kits with white trim
https://www.ffas.as/archives-647/

Ilaoa and To'omata wear navy blue with sky blue tint
https://www.ffas.as/archives-801/

 

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Veitongo FC in Tonga is the current national champions and they wear red and white. Red is the first kit choice and white the second. 

I checked that they don't seem to be at the first tier in Tonga although they're the most important side of their football actually.

https://footballoceania.com/2018/01/28/ocl-qualifier-roundup-goals-galore-in-the-final-two-matches/
https://mycujoo.tv/video/ofc-football?id=12463
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonga_Major_League
http://www.looptonga.com/sport/tongan-football-champs-veitongo-fc-expect-improved-showing-50661
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Tonga_Major_League

 

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I suggest to update/crate the following informations/staff ingame: 

https://www.transfermarkt.com/bong-kalo/profil/spieler/266131 - Bong Kalo is back to Vanuatu playing currently for Nakultan!
https://www.transfermarkt.com/atunaisa-namoa/profil/spieler/587867 - Atunaisa Namoa. Tongan Striker (played for U19 Tonga in last OFC U20 Nations Cup) currently playing in NZ soil. 

Marcus Chan - Solomon Islands

http://www.solomonstarnews.com/index.php/sports/national/item/20488-marcus-inclusion-a-boost - Inclusion in U19 National team of Solomon Islands for U19 OFC Nations Cup held on Tahiti this year.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/marcus-chan/profil/spieler/602339 - Profile on Transfermarkt 
http://www.solomonstarnews.com/index.php/sports/national/item/20212-marcus-chan-could-be-the-future-of-si-football-as-he-thrives-in-spain 
https://www.oceaniafootball.com/chan-enjoying-debut-oceania-tournament/

Maybe something can be done to this player too: Tongan player based in US. 17 years old. Playing for Tonga U19 team. https://www.oceaniafootball.com/kilmartin-expresses-pride-for-tonga/

Additional Informations:

Mohammad Rajani - He's sensibly better than the usual players from Tonga. He is raised in Australia and currently is playing there in the state leagues. His mother is Tongan and his father is from Pakistan (as you can see here: https://www.oceaniafootball.com/duo-develop-tight-knit-bond). He's quite technical and a hardworking player - usually he leaves his forwarding position to fill the blanks defensively in the midfield. I would assume - since the highest PA I put in Tonga editions around 44-46 - Rajani is around 48-51 (CA) with a reasonable possibility to develop to arround 62-64 (PA), what for Tongan reality would be probrably one of the best players they can get. I don't know how is the medium CA/PA level in Australian State Leagues, but I'm assuming Rajani is not playing in the first teams, being member of the reserve squad since he is still 19.

Jacob Kilmartin - I was very surprised to see an US based player being elibigle to play for Tonga. This made my expectations on him to be too high I guess, although he is 17. He is very phisical - as normally for Tonga - and strong for his age. He has the possibility to be a rock in the midfielder - remembers me much the style of play of Bill Tuiloma, but with more offensive minded than the kiwi one. He is not so techincal as Rajani but is still a litte above the rest of Tonga based players. I would put him with 41 CA and 57-58 PA, under the actual circumstances.

Atunaisa Namoa - This one impressed me. He is above the level of the Tonga based players, specially because I thought he was playing in Tonga but indeed he is playing his club football in New Zealand with Northern Premier League side Papatoetoe. He stills suffers to connect some hard passes and usually decides wrongly under pressure, but he has a notable speed and a good positiong as well. I would assume he is 37CA and may reach around 46-47 under the actual circumstances. 

Gabriel Taumua - The worst 4 nations of OFC rarely produce interesting players, notably, American Samoa is probrably at the bottom of them. Acutally Samoa, Cook Islands and Tonga are going steps forward and we can see good new prospects, but the American Samoans are depending hardly on Gabriel Taumua future. He is still very young and played all games entirely of Pago Youth in the last OFC Champions League qualification - giving one assist. He is different from the others, technical and thinks the game. But surely, due his age and under the structure he is, still there are much failliures of basic skills. He is not a fast player neither a strong one, his best abillities are stricted to his game intelligence, passing, technique and hardwork. He has much to develop. I would put him with 32CA with possibility to reach around 48. 

Azariah Soromon - This one is different from all others, this one is a REAL prospect. I can see Azariah having big steps for a Vanuatuan player inside the professional football, he already plays in New Zealand soil. Very fast, good dribbling and always very objective, he remembers the known Brazilian style of play. He had played the last OFC Champions League and did some impact. I would put him with 70CA with possibility to reach around 85-86PA. 

Bong Kalo - This is probrably the most known of them in Vanuatu, I didn't know how is his CA/PA actually but I assume they're not representing his actual situation. Kalo impressed a lot in U20 World Cup, scoring three times and twice against Germany. Kalo is actually 71-72 in my oppinion with possibility to reach around 88-90PA. 

Marcus Chan - This Solomon Islands' youth prospect is really promissing. To be fair, I don't know in which team would be suitable to put him to. He played in academies in Spain and recently got back to Solomon Islands to take part on the OFC U20 Nations Cup. He is, also, sensibly better than the Solomon Islands' based players he played with in the tournament and I assume he is travelling back to Spain to keep pursuing his footballing carrer. Attacked minded players, very intelligent and well prepared phisically. I would put him with 58-59CA and 72-73PA.

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On ‎23‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 02:32, celtic_fc said:

Not 100% that this is the correct place, but noticed something weird with the Pacific Games 2019.  When I checked to see who had won on the overview screen, it had New Zealand as title holders (under that header) yet had Papa New Guinea as having won the tournament in the 'Past winners' on the very same screen.   

Went to both nations own pages then checked their 'history' and 'competitions'.  Papa New Guinea have Pacific Games 2019 winners in honours whilst there's nothing under New Zealand's.  Looked into it further and Papa New Guinea won group A whilst New Zealand won group B, but strangely didn't progress, with 2nd and 3rd qualifying instead? 

The Pacific Games is a unique tournament since it became the Oceania Olympics qualifying tournament as well, this might help explain it, from the 2015 tournament:

Since some of the teams are non-IOC members and therefore ineligible for the Olympics, there are two separate knockout stages: one to determine the winner which qualifies for the 2016 Olympics, and one for determining the Pacific Games medalists.
The eligibility for each knock-out stage depends on each country's status in relation to the OFC, FIFA, the IOC and the Pacific Games Council

So in 2015's tournament, Tahiti finished top of their group and qualified for the Pacific Games Knock-Out Stage but they're not IOC affiliated and therefore Vanuatu, who finished 3rd in the group, qualified for the Olympic Qualifying Knock-out stage instead of them. In the other group, New Zealand topped their group their group but they're not Pacific Games Council affiliated so they only qualify for the Olympic stage while New Caledonia finished 2nd but aren't IOC affiliated and only went into the Pacific Games finals. PNG finished 3rd in that group but managed to qualify for both knockout tournaments.

It could be something for the League Specific Issue thread in terms of who displays as Title Holders but it sounds like the tournament has functioned as it is meant to (unless they've changed the tournament rules since 2015).

 

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Tahiti HR,

23214116 Jean Claude Chang , he doesnt have Vietnam passport . He just is ethnic Chinese .

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HR Vanuatu

Jack Wetney (88023514) he left Amicale in 2014!

Please complete history

2008/09 Kossa Honiara

2009/10 Kossa Honiara

2010/11 Amicale

2011/12 Amicale

2012/13 Amicale

2013/14 Amicale

2014/15 Western United FC

2015/16 Western United FC

2016 Western United FC

2017 Western United FC

https://www.national-football-teams.com/player/47845/Jack_Wetney.html

 

Rijat Shala (5720058) left Amicale in 2015 https://www.transfermarkt.es/rijat-shala/profil/spieler/9916

Miguel Magnoni (43020954) left Amicale in 2015, please complete history https://www.transfermarkt.es/miguel-magnoni/profil/spieler/339186

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On 06/11/2018 at 08:07, jallo said:

Tahiti HR,

23214116 Jean Claude Chang , he doesnt have Vietnam passport . He just is ethnic Chinese .

Thanks will amend

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Why you did't put real players in American Samoa national football team and why I can not control them?

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Aint none of these in the db ?? Do you have exact positions and also from another source also to verify against ??

6 hours ago, Maki0007 said:

 

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15 hours ago, cel1234 said:

Aint none of these in the db ?? Do you have exact positions and also from another source also to verify against ??

 

What source you need?

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1 minute ago, cel1234 said:

Any just to back up transfermarkt as some of the players at obscure countries can be wrong. Have you seen the documentary ??

https://www.national-football-teams.com/country/4/2018/American_Samoa.html

Of course I saw documentary. But this players on transfermarkt are real.

 

This is u19 team  players

https://www.oceaniafootball.com/competition-list/ofc-u-19-championship-2018-qualifying-stage-461569/american-samoa-samoa-2314117/

 

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Im not the HR for Oceania you would need to ask him. I do Tahiti and New Caledonia.

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1 hour ago, Maki0007 said:

Of course I saw documentary. But this players on transfermarkt are real.

 

This is u19 team  players

https://www.oceaniafootball.com/competition-list/ofc-u-19-championship-2018-qualifying-stage-461569/american-samoa-samoa-2314117/

 

Yes i know they are real im meaning dates of births and positions etc 

 

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1 hour ago, Maki0007 said:

Do you know why I can not control American Samoa in the game? 

You need to make there league for starters https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1558460410&searchtext=samoa use this then make sure you have all players loaded from America Samoa then you should be able too.

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6 hours ago, cel1234 said:

Yes i know they are real im meaning dates of births and positions etc 

 

dates of births are also correct

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Can you add which ones are missing on here please and i will add them to test track to get done.

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41 minutes ago, cel1234 said:

Can you add which ones are missing on here please and i will add them to test track to get done.

Which players are missing or

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1 hour ago, Maki0007 said:

Which players are missing or

You said players were missing ??

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Give me a list of missing players with d.o.b.s and specific positions then please ??

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2019 Pacific games will be for senior teams, not for U23 teams like before 4 years. Now I dont know in the game, are they for U23 teams or senior teams

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On 10/11/2018 at 11:23, Maki0007 said:

Yes. Almost all players missing 

Lots of players missing in Oceania. Under my editions for this FM version I could only updated (almost fully) Tonga. As well I could create some players in Vanuatu, PNG and Fiji what were missing. I mentioned  about the need to create the profile of Gabriel Taumua, the biggest young prospect American Samoa actually has.

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8 hours ago, Saltori said:

Lots of players missing in Oceania. Under my editions for this FM version I could only updated (almost fully) Tonga. As well I could create some players in Vanutu, PNG and Fiji what were missing. I mentioned  about the need to create the profile of Gabriel Taumua, the biggest young prospect American Samoa actually has.

I agree. Gabriel is a big future for FFAS.But American Samoa has lot of talented players in USA. If you watched U16 championship Peter Lauvao was one of the best player in the team

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14 hours ago, Maki0007 said:

I agree. Gabriel is a big future for FFAS.But American Samoa has lot of talented players in USA. If you watched U16 championship Peter Lauvao was one of the best player in the team

We cant add U16 players though.

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The Fiji National Football League hasn't had their history been updated since 2013. The last four years of the tournament

2014 - 1. Suva, 2. Ba, 3. Nadi

2015 - 1. Nadi, 2. Suva, 3. Rewa

2016 - 1. Ba, 2. Rewa, 3. Lautoka

2017 - 1. Lautoka, 2. Ba, 3. Labasa 

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HR New Zealand

Aajay Cunningham (88021465) is now at South Yarra SC in Australia 

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