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Please post any specific issues for Asia here. This is for any issue which does not relate to data and is for areas such as:

- Competition Rules (Leagues and Cups)
- Disciplinary Rules
- Transfer Rules

We would request you all to adhere to the following three point plan when posting in here:

- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.
- State how you think it should be working.
- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

Please note that specific data issues for Asia should be posted in the Database and Research Issues forum.

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There are something wrong in Asia Nations Qualifications Places for continental competitions (AFC Champions League & AFC Cup) it should follow current AFC Club Competitions Ranking. Some nations are not in correct positions. Especially Indonesia, after FIFA ban in 2015 Indonesia dropped down to 27th place in 2018 AFC Club Competitions Ranking Indonesia are not in top 15 anymore.

for more info:

http://www.the-afc.com/afc-ranking/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Club_Competitions_Ranking 

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On 19/10/2018 at 23:34, bramcarella said:

There are something wrong in Asia Nations Qualifications Places for continental competitions (AFC Champions League & AFC Cup) it should follow current AFC Club Competitions Ranking. Some nations are not in correct positions. Especially Indonesia, after FIFA ban in 2015 Indonesia dropped down to 27th place in 2018 AFC Club Competitions Ranking Indonesia are not in top 15 anymore.

for more info:

http://www.the-afc.com/afc-ranking/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Club_Competitions_Ranking 

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Seems like India's got a wrong ranking as well.

I wish SI paid more attention to Asian leagues and competitions. =(

Edited by kingpinmaddox
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On 19/10/2018 at 19:04, bramcarella said:

There are something wrong in Asia Nations Qualifications Places for continental competitions (AFC Champions League & AFC Cup) it should follow current AFC Club Competitions Ranking. Some nations are not in correct positions. Especially Indonesia, after FIFA ban in 2015 Indonesia dropped down to 27th place in 2018 AFC Club Competitions Ranking Indonesia are not in top 15 anymore.

for more info:

http://www.the-afc.com/afc-ranking/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFC_Club_Competitions_Ranking 

Thanks @bramcarella. This is now being looked at.

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On 22/10/2018 at 11:01, Ed Hewison said:

Thanks @bramcarella. This is now being looked at.

Could we actually get a Nations Club Coefficients thing or something like what Europe gets? It helps to see if we're progressing or not...

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Please check player number in Indonesia League, there is just No. 1-30, actually can choose No. 1-99.

Registration rule for foreign player for Liga 1 Indonesia:

Maximum 3 player, actually 4 player

Existing 2 player (not including Asian), but actually 3 player (not including Asian)

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On 26/10/2018 at 23:22, Fr05ty said:

Could we actually get a Nations Club Coefficients thing or something like what Europe gets? It helps to see if we're progressing or not...

I have made a request for this to be done soon. Cheers.

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4 hours ago, pinz87 said:

Please check player number in Indonesia League, there is just No. 1-30, actually can choose No. 1-99.

Registration rule for foreign player for Liga 1 Indonesia:

Maximum 3 player, actually 4 player

Existing 2 player (not including Asian), but actually 3 player (not including Asian)

Thanks @pinz87. This is all known.

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On 31/10/2018 at 02:01, Ed Hewison said:

I have made a request for this to be done soon. Cheers.

And club from some nations like Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Singapore, Philippines etc...  did not dropped down to AFC Cup group stage when they were eliminated from AFC Champions League preliminary Round. in real life clubs from 16th place to 25th place of current AFC Club Competitions Ranking have 2 comps slots for AFC CL preliminary and AFC Cup Group Stage. if they knocked out from ACL Preliminary they will dropped down to AFC Cup Group Stage. Its same like in European UEFA CL playoffs some teams that eliminated from UCL Playoffs will dropped down to UEFA Europa League Group Stage.... For more details you can look and download the file on AFC Website about AFC Club Competitions Ranking.

Edited by bramcarella

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On 03/11/2018 at 14:06, bramcarella said:

And club from some nations like Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Singapore, Philippines etc...  did not dropped down to AFC Cup group stage when they were eliminated from AFC Champions League preliminary Round. in real life clubs from 16th place to 25th place of current AFC Club Competitions Ranking have 2 comps slots for AFC CL preliminary and AFC Cup Group Stage. if they knocked out from ACL Preliminary they will dropped down to AFC Cup Group Stage. Its same like in European UEFA CL playoffs some teams that eliminated from UCL Playoffs will dropped down to UEFA Europa League Group Stage.... For more details you can look and download the file on AFC Website about AFC Club Competitions Ranking.

Cheers @bramcarella. We will take all of this into account.

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- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.

Teams from East and West Asia are playing against each other in the knockout stage outside of the final of the AFC Champions League.

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- State how you think it should be working.

Teams from the same region should be playing against each other in the second round, quarter-final and semi-final stages of the AFC Champions League rather than a side from the opposing region.
- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

2018 AFC Champions League Competition Regulations:

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11.2.1. The Participating Clubs from the West Region shall be drawn to play each other in the Round of 16, Quarter Finals, and Semi Finals.

11.2.2. The Participating Clubs from the East Region shall be drawn to play each other in the Round of 16, Quarter Finals, and Semi Finals.

(Page 27)

The same thing is also said in the 2019 AFC Champions League Competition Regulations but on page 23.

Edited by Yianni5063
Wrong Page Number quoted.

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I believe the relegation playoff rules for Korea are incorrect. 

I'm in the playoff (trying to get promoted from K2) but it states I can only have 5 players over 25 in the entire squad! The usual league restrictions for K1 and K2 are that you must have 2 players under 22 in the squad.

Bit of a game ruiner really 

 

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AFC Cup - I'm playing as Home United from Singapore.  For the 2019 AFC Cup (a 4th place finish in 2018) we enter at the preliminary round stage however I am not sure that is correct as a look at wikipedia indicates the preliminary round is not applicable for ASEAN clubs (only a playoff round) and Singapore itself has direct entry to the AFC Cup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_AFC_Cup

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regarding AFC competition slot (afc cup and champions league) - in my save game (year 2025), indonesian league is rank higher than both thai league and hong kong league, but didnt get any change in champions league slot competition

 

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On ‎05‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 21:40, Ed Hewison said:

Cheers @bramcarella. We will take all of this into account.

I thought in the new update the qualification places was correct in the game but it is still not correct. Malaysia should get 1 ACL group stage slot and 1 preliminary round 2 slot but Malaysia still get 1 ACL preliminary round 2 and 1 AFC Cup Group stage slots.

I hope in the next update SI will correct it.

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AFC Champions League fixture has a problem, the current rule is incorrect, teams from West Asia groups (A-D) and East Asia ones (E-H) are not be able to meet until final after qualified from group stage, current rule allows teams randomly matched for play-off no matter east or west.

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On 31/10/2018 at 02:03, Ed Hewison said:

Thanks @pinz87. This is all known.

Still player number can't choose from 1 to 99, maybe you must fix it in next updates

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On 11/11/2018 at 21:19, Ant85 said:

I believe the relegation playoff rules for Korea are incorrect. 

I'm in the playoff (trying to get promoted from K2) but it states I can only have 5 players over 25 in the entire squad! The usual league restrictions for K1 and K2 are that you must have 2 players under 22 in the squad.

Thanks @Ant85.

This is now under review.

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On 12/11/2018 at 22:31, Crispypaul said:

AFC Cup - I'm playing as Home United from Singapore.  For the 2019 AFC Cup (a 4th place finish in 2018) we enter at the preliminary round stage however I am not sure that is correct as a look at wikipedia indicates the preliminary round is not applicable for ASEAN clubs (only a playoff round) and Singapore itself has direct entry to the AFC Cup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_AFC_Cup

Thanks @Crispypaul.

This is something that we are currently looking at.

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On 16/11/2018 at 00:34, AdmiralBulgogi said:

regarding AFC competition slot (afc cup and champions league) - in my save game (year 2025), indonesian league is rank higher than both thai league and hong kong league, but didnt get any change in champions league slot competition

 

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Hi @AdmiralBulgogi

Thank you very much for posting this issue. Could you please provide a save game from before the new season? 

Details of how to upload a save game are linked below.

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On 17/11/2018 at 14:03, robosyah said:

I thought in the new update the qualification places was correct in the game but it is still not correct. Malaysia should get 1 ACL group stage slot and 1 preliminary round 2 slot but Malaysia still get 1 ACL preliminary round 2 and 1 AFC Cup Group stage slots.

I hope in the next update SI will correct it.

This is going to be more of a feature request to make sure it can be done properly at the moment.

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On 20/11/2018 at 04:24, tongye said:

AFC Champions League fixture has a problem, the current rule is incorrect, teams from West Asia groups (A-D) and East Asia ones (E-H) are not be able to meet until final after qualified from group stage, current rule allows teams randomly matched for play-off no matter east or west.

Thanks very much @tongye.

This is something that we are already looking at. Cheers for raising it with us.

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On 27/11/2018 at 00:06, Ed Hewison said:

Hi @AdmiralBulgogi

Thank you very much for posting this issue. Could you please provide a save game from before the new season? 

Details of how to upload a save game are linked below.

i am already uploaded save game 

name  save game test123

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On 03/11/2018 at 22:06, bramcarella said:

And club from some nations like Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Hong Kong, Singapore, Philippines etc...  did not dropped down to AFC Cup group stage when they were eliminated from AFC Champions League preliminary Round. in real life clubs from 16th place to 25th place of current AFC Club Competitions Ranking have 2 comps slots for AFC CL preliminary and AFC Cup Group Stage. if they knocked out from ACL Preliminary they will dropped down to AFC Cup Group Stage. Its same like in European UEFA CL playoffs some teams that eliminated from UCL Playoffs will dropped down to UEFA Europa League Group Stage.... For more details you can look and download the file on AFC Website about AFC Club Competitions Ranking.

 

On 05/11/2018 at 21:40, Ed Hewison said:

Cheers @bramcarella. We will take all of this into account.

 

On 27/11/2018 at 01:07, Ed Hewison said:

This is going to be more of a feature request to make sure it can be done properly at the moment.

I really hope SI will fix it ASAP. I have to hold on buying the game at the moment because of this.

Edited by robosyah

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Just checking AFC Champions league and this happened

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and i'm wondering, why they could play more than 4 foreign players in the champions league. When i opening these club's AFC champions league registration page, these happened

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Seems like they could register more foreign players than this competition limit.

 

 

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14 hours ago, jenggotgimbal said:

Just checking AFC Champions league and this happened

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and i'm wondering, why they could play more than 4 foreign players in the champions league. When i opening these club's AFC champions league registration page, these happened

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Seems like they could register more foreign players than this competition limit.

 

 

Seems old problem returns.

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22 hours ago, jenggotgimbal said:

Just checking AFC Champions league and this happened

and i'm wondering, why they could play more than 4 foreign players in the champions league. When i opening these club's AFC champions league registration page, these happened

Seems like they could register more foreign players than this competition limit.

 

Thanks @jenggotgimbal. This is under review. 

Is the Chinese league active for you? Is it only affecting teams that are inactive in your game? 

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No Problem. Chinese league is not active, only Indonesian league. Another case here...

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Al-Nassr can field 6 foreign players. don't know about other teams in Asia since they usually have less than 3 foreign players

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On 17/10/2018 at 00:30, Ed Hewison said:

Please post any specific issues for Asia here. This is for any issue which does not relate to data and is for areas such as:

- Competition Rules (Leagues and Cups)
- Disciplinary Rules
- Transfer Rules

We would request you all to adhere to the following three point plan when posting in here:

- State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.
- State how you think it should be working.
- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

Please note that specific data issues for Asia should be posted in the Database and Research Issues forum.

Hi @Ed Hewison

-State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.

In Asian Confederations Cup, the match schedule is wrong according to AFC Competitions Calendar.

- State how you think it should be working.

For example, first match in ASEAN Group Stage should be in 26-27 February but in the game, the match start in 12th of March.

- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_AFC_Cup#Schedule

http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/afc-competitions-calendar-2019

Edited by robosyah

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Has anyone experienced something like this? I’m playing this save only fun as I want to make an experiment by increase the Indonesian league reputation through winning ACL and AFC Cup.. It’s weird when there is no competition for acl and afc cup for 2nd season.

I will appreaciate, if anyone could help me with these issues..

btw, I’m using Khaidar Ali’s and Auzan Indonesian database, some of the league database by qwert2 and also Captain Tsubasa db based on FMGuru

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2019 AFC Asian Cup will begin soon in January 2019, but in FM 2019. the teams that qualify for the 2019 AFC Asian Cup are incorrect, The draw of the final tournament has been done a few months ago, if I am not mistaken, the draw of the 2019 Asian Cup group stage was held on May 4 2018. 

And AFC already announced, Video assistant referees (VAR) will be used from the quarter-finals onwards.

And also there will be no third place play-off for 2019 Asian Cup.

2019 AFC Asian Cup Group Stage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_AFC_Asian_Cup#Group_stage

 

Edited by ryanr88

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On 13/12/2018 at 00:49, jenggotgimbal said:

No Problem. Chinese league is not active, only Indonesian league. Another case here...

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Al-Nassr can field 6 foreign players. don't know about other teams in Asia since they usually have less than 3 foreign players

Have you got a save game from before this match by any chance?

They do not seem to be playing too many foreign players in the save game I have got.

Details of how to upload a save game are linked below.

 

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On 13/12/2018 at 07:56, robosyah said:

Hi @Ed Hewison

-State what you think is specifically wrong in your league.

In Asian Confederations Cup, the match schedule is wrong according to AFC Competitions Calendar.

- State how you think it should be working.

For example, first match in ASEAN Group Stage should be in 26-27 February but in the game, the match start in 12th of March.

- State reasons/proof for your corrections/improvements.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_AFC_Cup#Schedule

http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/afc-competitions-calendar-2019

Thanks @robosyah. This is now under review. 

Cheers for providing everything that we needed.

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20 hours ago, mmichaelhy said:

Has anyone experienced something like this? I’m playing this save only fun as I want to make an experiment by increase the Indonesian league reputation through winning ACL and AFC Cup.. It’s weird when there is no competition for acl and afc cup for 2nd season.

I will appreaciate, if anyone could help me with these issues..

btw, I’m using Khaidar Ali’s and Auzan Indonesian database, some of the league database by qwert2 and also Captain Tsubasa db based on FMGuru

Hi @mmichaelhy

Have you got a save game from before the start of that season?

This is not something we have seen happening here. 

Details of how to upload a save game are linked below. Cheers.

 

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20 hours ago, ryanr88 said:

2019 AFC Asian Cup will begin soon in January 2019, but in FM 2019. the teams that qualify for the 2019 AFC Asian Cup are incorrect, The draw of the final tournament has been done a few months ago, if I am not mistaken, the draw of the 2019 Asian Cup group stage was held on May 4 2018. 

And AFC already announced, Video assistant referees (VAR) will be used from the quarter-finals onwards.

And also there will be no third place play-off for 2019 Asian Cup.

2019 AFC Asian Cup Group Stage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_AFC_Asian_Cup#Group_stage

 

This is also under review.

Cheers @ryanr88

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@Ed Hewison Uploaded it, file name is "test.fm". Last file has been overwritten and the fixtures couldn't be displayed, so i made another one with same settings. This bug might not appear on first season. It usually happened on 2019 season, after player transfers,

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16 hours ago, Ed Hewison said:

Thanks @robosyah. This is now under review. 

Cheers for providing everything that we needed.

Thanks @Ed Hewison. Hope next update SI will fix it along with qualification places and other problem that persists.  If not maybe have to wait for next edition of FM.

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Hi @Ed Hewison

Please review also schedule of Asian Champions League, Asian Confederations Cup and Asian Nations Cup according to the updated AFC Competitions Calendar. Both updated 2019 and 2020 AFC Calendar are already available in the AFC website.

http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/afc-competitions-calendar-2019

http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/afc-competitions-calendar-2020

Thanks.

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Hi there are a lot of issues with Asia that I’ve found. Mostly about teams competing in the Confederation Cup that shouldn’t be there. There are a lot of examples in different saves that I ran through for 2-3 years.3210434D-4F6C-40E6-9CE1-C059AC4CEBC7.thumb.jpeg.762a268d33868fd891923afd8f4b5d9f.jpeg This pic shows Urawa in the Confederation Cup when they shouldn’t even be allowed to compete cause Japan doesn’t get slots in the tournament. What more is that they’re grouped in South Asia even though they’re East Asian... CC47D31F-9C03-4E99-9437-D111ADF30928.thumb.jpeg.72ddc997faf3f042048815b12cc3c008.jpegThis one shows Bunyodkor in the ASEAN Zone even though they’re from Central Asian Uzbekistan. There are more I’ve seen such as South Asia Indian teams competing in the West Asia zone. And it seems to be random with every save game the game just puts a few teams wherever it feels like. 

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 I don’t know if anyone else has this issue but in Asia my league reputations never update no matter what happens. I decided to use the editor to change the league reputation and it’s still listed as 36th and the qualification places still remain the same. Is this part of the game or is something broken on mine? I’ve done this over 10 times, turned off all my editor rules and it’s still broken. The club reputations still update however it’s just the leagues remain the same which makes it impossible to create long saves in this game cause there’s no progress6CB4B0BA-1DD7-47B0-B74A-D41B181E14C0.jpeg.d7f8a3aae9c3adbf692338b3c5c95475.jpeg1177994A-DAFF-494E-85CA-BC1A701520FC.thumb.jpeg.a04d2477d438a6777a40cbdecd7f8a68.jpeg

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51 minutes ago, Gobflabber said:

 I don’t know if anyone else has this issue but in Asia my league reputations never update no matter what happens. I decided to use the editor to change the league reputation and it’s still listed as 36th and the qualification places still remain the same. Is this part of the game or is something broken on mine? I’ve done this over 10 times, turned off all my editor rules and it’s still broken. The club reputations still update however it’s just the leagues remain the same which makes it impossible to create long saves in this game cause there’s no progress6CB4B0BA-1DD7-47B0-B74A-D41B181E14C0.jpeg.d7f8a3aae9c3adbf692338b3c5c95475.jpeg1177994A-DAFF-494E-85CA-BC1A701520FC.thumb.jpeg.a04d2477d438a6777a40cbdecd7f8a68.jpeg

In my save.. the league reputation change after 2020 or 2021 season.

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11 hours ago, robosyah said:

In my save.. the league reputation change after 2020 or 2021 season.

Thank you for the reply I will try and see if this is the same for me

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For some reason the Asian Champions League final changes format every season. In 2018 it’s a one-match final. 2019 it’s two legs and now I’m in 2020 it’s back to one match

It’s supposed to be two legged finals throughout. Even this year Kashima Antlers won it in two legs.

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On 23/12/2018 at 23:30, Gobflabber said:

Qatar took part in and failed to qualify for the 2022 World Cup... which is hosted in Qatar. And they’re listed as qualified already67258A01-08B3-40C6-846E-C7931135E1A5.thumb.jpeg.1e37fdf55c9aaaf50de366eeb679ba6a.jpeg1AC6C916-D765-42AC-82A4-1415A6D53189.thumb.jpeg.227392f7645f0e3b5e88da06cb9bd329.jpeg

This isn't an issue, the Asian World Cup qualifying groups act as qualification for the 2023 Asian Cup so Qatar will be part of this in real life.

From a quick read of Wiki, if they win their group (unlikely) FIFA/AFC will make a decision at that point as to if they continue the qualification process.

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On 27/12/2018 at 19:37, BML said:

This isn't an issue, the Asian World Cup qualifying groups act as qualification for the 2023 Asian Cup so Qatar will be part of this in real life.

From a quick read of Wiki, if they win their group (unlikely) FIFA/AFC will make a decision at that point as to if they continue the qualification process.

Alright. Thank you for the clarification

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On 18/12/2018 at 02:42, jenggotgimbal said:

@Ed Hewison Uploaded it, file name is "test.fm". Last file has been overwritten and the fixtures couldn't be displayed, so i made another one with same settings. This bug might not appear on first season. It usually happened on 2019 season, after player transfers,

Thanks @jenggotgimbal. This is now under review.

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On 20/12/2018 at 07:36, robosyah said:

Hi @Ed Hewison

Please review also schedule of Asian Champions League, Asian Confederations Cup and Asian Nations Cup according to the updated AFC Competitions Calendar. Both updated 2019 and 2020 AFC Calendar are already available in the AFC website.

http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/afc-competitions-calendar-2019

http://www.the-afc.com/afc/documents/PdfFiles/afc-competitions-calendar-2020

Thanks.

Thanks @robosyah

This information has been passed on. Cheers.

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