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Please post any data issues related to Brentford here.

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Yes, the database was locked for the beta before frank was annoucnced, The release version of the game will have Frank as manager (unless he leaves before then!)

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I've not played a single match yet, so some of this might be premature.

I also realise you have a virtually impossible job HB, as you rely on other researchers being accurate and fair. When they're not, then it messes up how Brentford ('s players) are rated.

A first basic comments:

- surprised Mo is on such a low salary. He turned down a very decent offer from Hull, which was certainly lower than his previous Hull contract, but waaaaay higher than the £3k is on in FM19. It makes him the lowest paid proper first teamer, even less than Ogbene! I don't imagine he's on a bit more, but would reckon it's a multiple of his FM level - but of course, I've got no concrete evidence, so it's a moot point :) Moses should also have an extra year option in his contract.

*NB - I've just seen the "rises to £6,000 after 10 games". Makes sense :)

- Barbet has a seemingly exceptionally poor rating at LB. I completely understand that he's not a specialist left back, and I can't wait for Henry to get back fit, but I'd have him at LB over many established Championship left backs. I realise that the staff's CA judging comes into play, but to a man, every single one of our entire staff rates him as worse (or the same in a couple of instances) as Cole Dasilva at LB - and in most cases he has the same LB rating as Bech. Now, I understand the need to make sure it's evident that it's not his preferred position, but the fact that he is many many leagues ahead of either of those two in the minds of our actual backroom staff probably suggests that he's not quite as poor at LB than he's been rated in the game. In fact - personal opinion here - given the choice, I'd rather he featured more at LB than CB for us IRL.

Before I get into the rest, I'd like to say that it's probably the best I've seen us rates in many years - and I'm a miserable sod who picks holes in everything, as you well know :D I think the likes of Bentley, Jeanvier (?), Sawyers, Canos, etc. are all spot on. I do think, given his selection is consistent first choice for the national side - and the highest tackler in the WC up to the QFs - that Dalsgaard should be slightly improved in his defensive qualities.

- Mepham. Come on.... For a guy who's attracting well-publicised £15m bids, he's rated as being £4.1m in value in the game. That in itself shows how far wide ofs the mark his FM19 rating and value is. The first thing I did was offer him out on a transfer at his current £4.1m value... and not a single bid, nor a single interested party. I can imagine much of his rating is being built into PA, but the fact that he's now a first choice Wales international, a first choice Brentford player and attracting £15m bids from Leicester and Bournemouth shows how much CA he has as well as PA. The current transfer fee record for a Champioship defender stands at £15m for both Gibson and Mawson (both previous/recent England squad members)... we've already turned that down shows that he'll mostly like become the most expensive one at some point (or is worth that value if we don't sell). There were ~30 centre backs in the division regarded as being worth more than he is, including such heavyweights as Ben Davies, Michael Hefele and Darragh Lenihan (who apparently is worth more than twice Mepham's value...). I realise you have zero say in how other researchers rate their players, but the Brentford players still need to be rated relative to their divisional peers, surely that's the whole point?

- Konsa - an England U21 first choice centre back isn't good enough in the game to get in the England U21 squad. That's a pretty decent indicator that he's under-rated IMO. Is also rated as a lesser CA player than Jeanvier. That he's been chosen over Jeanvier throughout the season is an early indication of how immediately good he is.

- Watkins - his value is probably about right, seeing as we rebuffed £11m for him in the summer, but I can only imagine that his value is built into his PA? His attributes are quite poor in my opinion, and have him on a par with a number of distinctly average Championship players - before his recent drop in form whilst he's been injured recently, pundits were talking about an England call up and rumours in today's press have Spurs looking at him. Whilst I think the England call-up chat was a load of rubbish and far wide of the mark, he's certainly a highly regarded player in the division, and was on many "players to watch this season" - in the game he's worse than Jota (there's no way Watkins is as slow as Jota IRL - will find some evidence to highlight this). But he seems woefully underrated given his performances last season - he was ranked in the top three players in the division for chances created, yet seems to be half the player Suma Saiz is in the game (WTF is his rating about...).

- Media Prediction 12th. It seems as if the small club mentality is still strong in the game, despite everyone else waking up, because bookies-wise we were 6th favourites at the start of the season, most newspapers had us around the 5th-7th range, and we're presently 5th favourites, even after our iffy recent run.

- Others - this is a wider rant about the other researchers and nowt to do with you, but is Sean Maguire really that much of a better striker than Neal Maupay? Is Samu Saiz, with his terrifyingly competitive 5 (yes, FIVE) goals from attacking midfield last season, the best player in the league and so significantly better than Watkins (who double'd Saiz's goal tally last season)? There are some sides - us, Milwall, etc. - who are regularly underrated each season (I ran quite a few holiday-modes to see what happened in FM18, Watkins barely made much of an impact in each and regularly ended up in League One after a few seasons, yet in real life attracted £11m bids by the end of the summer) whereas the likes of Preston and Leeds seem to be packed out with talent left, right and centre. It's weird.

Of course, if after a few seasons within FM19 Watkins, Mepham and Maupay have all made £20m moves to the Premier League, then the above is all ignore-able :D - won't be able to play the game as much this season, but will have a look out for other things.

 

Edit - a further point perhaps best demonstrating that I believe both Mepham and Konsa are inadequately rated at the start of the game is that when the intro to the new tactics automatically picked my best team, Barbet and Jeanvier were chosen as the first choice centre halves. Now, if this is also based upon backroom staff opinions, then it still seems a little weird, as you'd be hard-pushed to find a single member of staff who'd not start either Mepham and/or Konsa at present, in my opinion.

 

Edit 2 - do you know if our £2m transfer budget has taken into account Woods' impending transfer to Stoke? If so, do you not think this is a little low. Opinion here, but if we're around the top 6 in January and decide to properly strengthen, then I think we'll see us spend much more than £2m.

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re: Mepham's "transfer value" figure, the game takes the current value of the player's contract into account when calculating it. Since Brentford pay their players relatively little at this level he appears to be worth less than players that he is objectively better than in terms of attributes and potential.

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34 minutes ago, toshj said:

Edit 2 - do you know if our £2m transfer budget has taken into account Woods' impending transfer to Stoke? If so, do you not think this is a little low. Opinion here, but if we're around the top 6 in January and decide to properly strengthen, then I think we'll see us spend much more than £2m.

If you're top 6 in January in-game and ask for more money in return for raising expectations you'll almost certainly get it. 

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7 minutes ago, swansongs said:

re: Mepham's "transfer value" figure, the game takes the current value of the player's contract into account when calculating it. Since Brentford pay their players relatively little at this level he appears to be worth less than players that he is objectively better than in terms of attributes and potential.

Given that we've received some of the largest transfers in the division in recent years - £9m Andre Gray, £10m Scott Hogan, £7m Ryan Woods, etc. - , and have also turned down significant sums, yet we pay some of the lowest salaries, doesn't such a wages=transfer value seems somewhat outdated or basic? IRL A player's value is based upon their talent, combined with the club's ability to negotiate surely?

Also, the fact that no side was interested in him at all at his current value when he was offered out is a troubling sign of inaccuracy, and perhaps disagrees with the notion that he's that cheap due to his salary?

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Just now, toshj said:

Given that we've received some of the largest transfers in the division in recent years - £9m Andre Gray, £10m Scott Hogan, £7m Ryan Woods, etc. - yet we pay some of the lowest salaries, doesn't such a wages=transfer value seems somewhat outdated or basic? IRL A player's value is based upon their talent, combined with the club's ability to negotiate surely?

Personally I don't think the number should be visible at all. It's not a part of football any more, if it ever was, and only ever leads to people complaining that the numbers are wrong. It has no gameplay purpose, and no one ever talks about a player's "value" unless it's a specific release clause.

For the record though I have seen some issues with Brentford sales. One save saw Sunderland(!) buy Maupay in January 2019 for ~£5m. Another I bought him for £8m that same window (he demanded to be played as a Pressing Forward and never scored even when I thumped sides). I bought Mepham for £12m after being promoted to the PL.

Brentford seem to do pretty well in the league so the players are definitely good enough, though.

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Thanks for the feedback Josh, will try and work through everything;

 

As you've seen the Odubajo wage was set with a large wage increase as I felt it was unlikely we'd take a risk paying him a large wage before he'd proved his fitness. His appearance fees are higher than any other squad member as well as the increase after x games. He certainly has an extension clause added in the database, this may be a bug that needs reporting in the contracts forum.

 

Barbet's rating in the database at LB is 16, I really can't say he's better than that. I guess the in-game coaches are recommending CD as he's fittest natural LB at the start of the game (CD wasn't rated by me for the most part), in all honesty knowing the BFC data inside out means I don't usually look at their recommendations but will have a look at some point this weekend. Mads Bech has been requested for a LB rating downgrade for the full release database.

 

Mepham - Jeanvier was rated by his previous researcher and I've left him more or less as is as he hasn't featured much for us. his CA is only marginally better than Mepham's. FM19 Mepham has the highest PA of any Brentford player I've edited in the database over the past 4 (I think) iterations of the game! He is of course one of my main focus points for the winter update as he continues to grow as a player irl, My take on it is a lot of the high bids we've received are for his potential rather than his current ability, which the game reflects. It might even be worth logging that attempt to sell him as a bug as he certainly has the PA that should be interesting AI managers/staff to take a punt on him at such a low price.

 

Konsa as per Jeanvier for the most part but I have actually boosted him up bit over his previous researchers rating for him. Again one to monitor for the winter update.

 

Watkins is our joint highest CA player in the database, as you say I can't do much about other teams players! He also has a good PA (higher than Saiz according to the last figures I have) rating and will grow as the season progresses in game.

 

Media predictions are out of my hands, and I don't really pay much attention to them irl so not sure how 12th figures against what was in the papers pre-season. I'll have a look and see what it gives me on my save when I get a chance.

 

IIRC correctly we discussed Watkins at the start of the FM18 release, the majority of tests and full saves I played he turned out fine unless he was injured. He's had a CA boost for FM19, plus a small PA boost as well from memory. I dont see the other researchers work before the game is released so it's difficult to do a full comparison of individual players as we go through the various phases. We do get certain CA guidelines and (again iirc) Brentford are slightly above the level I was asked to work to - apologies in advance if I'm wrong there.

 

The input is, as ever, appreciated even where we disagree :)

 

 

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21 minutes ago, swansongs said:

Brentford seem to do pretty well in the league so the players are definitely good enough, though.

As mentioned, I've not given it a run yet, so the above comments may  all be completely wrong. I was just surprised by how lowly regarded Mepham, Konsa and Watkins were. The fact that in real life you definitely couldn't buy Mepham for £12m - given we've already turned down in excess of that figure - and Maupay would likely only go for multiples of three or four times the £5m you paid for him, perhaps shows they're underrated. But I appreciate form and fortune fluctuate, hence why I think Maupay's current attributes are pretty decent.

For Watkins, his 13 for pace and acceleration put him on a level pegging with Jeff Hendrik, Harry Arter, James Tomkins, Tim Ream, Jordan Henderson, David Silva, etc. and is slower than Jorginho, Moussa Dembele, and Jack Wilshere!!

On that note, his dribbling is apparently on a par with Glen Johnson, David Luiz and Dennis Odoi :lol: I'm surprised we even play him out wide if he can't better any of those players in pace and dribbling!

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14 minutes ago, swansongs said:

If you're top 6 in January in-game and ask for more money in return for raising expectations you'll almost certainly get it. 

 

Yes, this is the thinking behind the 'low' starting figure. Josh, we know through what we read on the GPG etc that the money will be there if we're in a strong position in January, however aside from knowing who on there is ITK so to speak in my head I can't really 'prove' that the money is there to be spent until we spend it! The best way is to play it as swansongs says, start with a mid-table expectation and then increase it in January (when the Woods money comes in as well which should be added to your transfer kitty) and you should have a nice pot to play with, I've not got that far in a save yet.

 

I also agree with swansongs, as we've discussed before, that transfer fees in game are not particularly helpful indicators of a players real value to a team. Again 'knowing' the data I don't tend to take much notice of our players in game valuations (although I think I saw McEachran's was showing at £1.9m at the start of my save - which is wildly over the top for a player with his recent record and out of contract in the summer).

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17 minutes ago, Brentford Alan said:

Thanks for the feedback Josh, will try and work through everything;

 

As you've seen the Odubajo wage was set with a large wage increase as I felt it was unlikely we'd take a risk paying him a large wage before he'd proved his fitness. His appearance fees are higher than any other squad member as well as the increase after x games. He certainly has an extension clause added in the database, this may be a bug that needs reporting in the contracts forum.

 

Barbet's rating in the database at LB is 16, I really can't say he's better than that. I guess the in-game coaches are recommending CD as he's fittest natural LB at the start of the game (CD wasn't rated by me for the most part), in all honesty knowing the BFC data inside out means I don't usually look at their recommendations but will have a look at some point this weekend. Mads Bech has been requested for a LB rating downgrade for the full release database.

 

Mepham - Jeanvier was rated by his previous researcher and I've left him more or less as is as he hasn't featured much for us. his CA is only marginally better than Mepham's. FM19 Mepham has the highest PA of any Brentford player I've edited in the database over the past 4 (I think) iterations of the game! He is of course one of my main focus points for the winter update as he continues to grow as a player irl, My take on it is a lot of the high bids we've received are for his potential rather than his current ability, which the game reflects. It might even be worth logging that attempt to sell him as a bug as he certainly has the PA that should be interesting AI managers/staff to take a punt on him at such a low price.

 

Konsa as per Jeanvier for the most part but I have actually boosted him up bit over his previous researchers rating for him. Again one to monitor for the winter update.

 

Watkins is our joint highest CA player in the database, as you say I can't do much about other teams players! He also has a good PA (higher than Saiz according to the last figures I have) rating and will grow as the season progresses in game.

 

Media predictions are out of my hands, and I don't really pay much attention to them irl so not sure how 12th figures against what was in the papers pre-season. I'll have a look and see what it gives me on my save when I get a chance.

 

IIRC correctly we discussed Watkins at the start of the FM18 release, the majority of tests and full saves I played he turned out fine unless he was injured. He's had a CA boost for FM19, plus a small PA boost as well from memory. I dont see the other researchers work before the game is released so it's difficult to do a full comparison of individual players as we go through the various phases. We do get certain CA guidelines and (again iirc) Brentford are slightly above the level I was asked to work to - apologies in advance if I'm wrong there.

 

The input is, as ever, appreciated even where we disagree :)

 

 

All balanced stuff as ever - the Konsa and Mepham stuff was less versus Jeanvier, than just in general - Konsa doesn't get in the England U21 squad in the game, yet he seems first choice IRL currently.

I realise loads of it is in relation to how other players and teams are evaluated, and completely out of your hands, but surely the whole point is to balance the players and teams out relative to each other, so there's not one researcher being slightly cautious thrown into the same division as another who rates Ben Pearson as £9m and interesting Watford in the game?

On that note, and in relation to swansongs explanation about wages/contract having an impact on value, how does Pearson get valued as £9m when on £8k a week, yet Mepham is at £4.1m on a higher salary. I think I just can't get my head around how Mepham is valued at less than Canos, Jeanvier, Dalsgaard, etc. in the game when we've turned down a bid for him at £15m IRL. I simply don't understand how the FM model works. Just doesn't seem particularly realistic.

I agree that the £15m may be largely based on PA, but I've no doubt that had Bournemouth succeeded in buying him, he'd be vying for a first team spot this season in the Prem. Opinion of course.

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6 minutes ago, Brentford Alan said:

 

Yes, this is the thinking behind the 'low' starting figure. Josh, we know through what we read on the GPG etc that the money will be there if we're in a strong position in January, however aside from knowing who on there is ITK so to speak in my head I can't really 'prove' that the money is there to be spent until we spend it! The best way is to play it as swansongs says, start with a mid-table expectation and then increase it in January (when the Woods money comes in as well which should be added to your transfer kitty) and you should have a nice pot to play with, I've not got that far in a save yet.

 

I also agree with swansongs, as we've discussed before, that transfer fees in game are not particularly helpful indicators of a players real value to a team. Again 'knowing' the data I don't tend to take much notice of our players in game valuations (although I think I saw McEachran's was showing at £1.9m at the start of my save - which is wildly over the top for a player with his recent record and out of contract in the summer).

Ok cool - like I said, that was simply a question rather than a comment. Wasn't sure whether the £15m or so we've received this summer (inc Woods) was built in to our transfer pot or not.

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22 minutes ago, toshj said:

For Watkins, his 13 for pace and acceleration put him on a level pegging with Jeff Hendrik, Harry Arter, James Tomkins, Tim Ream, Jordan Henderson, David Silva, etc. and is slower than Jorginho, Moussa Dembele, and Jack Wilshere!!

The numbers of top level player with speed ratings in that "safe" 11-14 range when they should objectively be down in between 5 and 10 is pretty shocking. 

Pirlo was realistically a Pace 1 or 2 player (when he did try to sprint).

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Despite you insulting our approach, I can see you have made some valid points, whilst remembering that this is a beta database . We can solve nearly all of those points (and hence improve the release database) with a few small adjustments to player Current Reputations for Watkins, Konsa, Mepham, Barbet (also change his DL rating from 16 to 18) and Jeanvier.

I have the Racing Post Biog Kick-Off pullout here that clearly has Brentford below Stoke, WBA, Boro, Forest, Leeds, Villa, Swansea and Derby in the betting. That makes them ninth at most in any media predictions. I can not see them as sixth favourite in any of the lists in the odds-comparison tables. 

If you could test the game until January and establish what happens in that window regarding budgets, that would be useful.

 

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53 minutes ago, toshj said:

Given that we've received some of the largest transfers in the division in recent years - £9m Andre Gray, £10m Scott Hogan, £7m Ryan Woods, etc. - , and have also turned down significant sums, yet we pay some of the lowest salaries, doesn't such a wages=transfer value seems somewhat outdated or basic? IRL A player's value is based upon their talent, combined with the club's ability to negotiate surely?

Also, the fact that no side was interested in him at all at his current value when he was offered out is a troubling sign of inaccuracy, and perhaps disagrees with the notion that he's that cheap due to his salary?

It's probably more a sign of no clubs needing to buy him with the small budgets they have at the start of the game - an anomoly of them having spent budgets elsewhere.

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Mepham's value will go up considerably with a small increase in his Current Reputation, which I shall amend in the database for release.

It seems as if Tuanzebe gets selected for the U21s ahead of Konsa, so I'll tweak their Home Reputation ratings which should fix that.

 

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18 minutes ago, Gripper said:

Despite you insulting our approach, I can see you have made some valid points, whilst remembering that this is a beta database . We can solve nearly all of those points (and hence improve the release database) with a few small adjustments to player Current Reputations for Watkins, Konsa, Mepham, Barbet (also change his DL rating from 16 to 18) and Jeanvier.

I have the Racing Post Biog Kick-Off pullout here that clearly has Brentford below Stoke, WBA, Boro, Forest, Leeds, Villa, Swansea and Derby in the betting. That makes them ninth at most in any media predictions. I can not see them as sixth favourite in any of the lists in the odds-comparison tables. 

If you could test the game until January and establish what happens in that window regarding budgets, that would be useful.

 

I don't believe I'm insulting your approach - I've either provided factual information or stated where it's my opinion. I've mainly pointed out how baffled I am with some of the fundamentals used in the game. Brentford Alan and I get on very well on the Brenford forum, and I stated in my initial post that I think this is his best year yet as a researcher, insofar as we agree on most things, but happily disagree on others. And he knows perfectly well that me being a lofty and patronising git on here is borne out of enjoyment for the game.

I suppose the main gripe I have is regulation of how researchers evaluate their respective teams, but of course I'm forming my opinion very much from the outside and it should be taken as such - or perhaps I should be educated accordingly by those with direct exposure to the database. I play around a fair bit on the editor each season, so have an inkling, but that's as far as it gets. I simply feel that the spread of accuracy in the Championship ratings is really quite large, and results in inaccuracies in the game each year. Of course, it's just personal opinion but when comparing certain squads there seems to be a gulf in player ratings with historical (recent) performances.

As swansong has commented, the pace thing I simply don't get - in particular relation to Watkins this season, but I also share his feelings on the "safe" pace attribute spread. But there's no need to confuse my bafflement with insults, I'm simply a passionate player who is commenting based on as much fact as I can produce, but mostly on opinions.

Oh, and the 6th prediction was taken from Oddschecker, which was highlighted on a regional news website during the summer. I believe, but could be wrong, that Oddschecker take an average of the various bookies' odds.

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26 minutes ago, Gripper said:


If you could test the game until January and establish what happens in that window regarding budgets, that would be useful.

 

I'll give it a run through a let you know :) And thanks for taking into consideration my earlier points :thup:

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The color of Brentford home kits are red-white strips but in tactics they are only red. Please fix thath. Have a nice day. Cheers.

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That's the back of the shirt in tactics, which is red, as per real life.

 

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I know there has been some discussion about Chris Mepham, and also some very valid comments brought up about the pace attribute already however I really think his pace of 11 is massively underselling his ability, his speed is an immediately noticable positive attribute if you watch him play since he came into the side and he can cover ground extremely quickly to recover.

For some direct comparison Harlee Dean also has 11 and was quite obviously much slower than Mepham, Tarkowski has 13 and was also a slower player.

Also as a previous poster stated Watkins is quicker than a 13 pace player. The comparisons he provided certainly make you question it!

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Neal Maupay (85120748)

As Stade Brestois 29 fan, his ratings looks fine for me, even if I might increase his finishing to 14 and decrease his composure to 11/12.

And to complete his profile :

Favourite staff : Jean-Marc Furlan (8429133) - rating 15 - Manager ; Dario Cvitanich (958172) - rating 12 - Teammate
Favourite club : Stade Brestois 29 - rating 12 - Player

https://www.ouest-france.fr/sport/football/angleterre/football-neal-maupay-j-ai-vraiment-adore-mon-passage-brest-6005278
https://www.sofoot.com/happy-neal-461437.html

History
2014 OGC Nice date departed 10/08/2015
2015 AS Saint-Etienne date joined 10/08/2015

https://www.asse.fr/fr/Actualites-du-club/Neal-maupay-a-let039asse-pour-4-ans-ac15338

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Thanks for those links romjet, appreciated.

 

I'll check Mephams pace for the winter update, I would say that Burnley player is over rated there but thats the Burnley researchers call to make. With Watkins a pace increase will demand reductions on other attributes to keep his CA balanced and on his current form I'd struggle to make an argument that his CA deserves any increase! Any thoughts on that will be considered.

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2 hours ago, Brentford Alan said:

Thanks for those links romjet, appreciated.

 

I'll check Mephams pace for the winter update, I would say that Burnley player is over rated there but thats the Burnley researchers call to make. With Watkins a pace increase will demand reductions on other attributes to keep his CA balanced and on his current form I'd struggle to make an argument that his CA deserves any increase! Any thoughts on that will be considered.

I have grossly overestimated the players this season, and believe that they should all have at least 10% removed from their CA! :seagull:

 

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Brendán MacFarlane

Please create this guy, he is working in France as scout for Brentford, he joined the club in february 2017.

Nationality : Scotland
Language : French (fluent)


Long Term Career - Currently scouting in France
Long Term Career - Has scouting knowledge - France
 


According his Linkedin account, his responsabilities are :
- Identify first-team and B team targets for the clubs, as well as playing in a key role in increasing the reach of the club's network of contacts in France.
- Responsible for the organisation and output of the club's France scouting network. I am responsible for the management of two part-time scouts in France.
- Arrange and coordinate trial periods for potential B team players coming to the club from French-speaking countries

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Scout contracts: I have discovered that you can only offer part-time roles to scouts - but you can offer full-time roles to every other job type. I've checked the Editor, and it is set as that. I presume this is an oversight / mistake.

Player positions: I think a couple of players should be boosted in their positional proficiency. Yoann Barbet deserves a higher rating than 16 at left-back; a rating of 17 or 18 would suffice. He's done well there in real life, and it would encourage the AI to use him there as well. I also think Romaine Sawyers should have a higher rating as a central midfielder, as that's where he's been playing all season.

One final thing, is it possible to change the name of the Under-23 squad to the B team? That would represent real life better.

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As far as I'm aware all scouts are part-time on FM, I may be wrong. Either way it's not something we set in the database as a club guideline from memory. There were no scouts set for Brentford either, although Romjet's post (thanks for that info!) means we should have some in for the winter update.

Are you using the beta database? As per Gripper's post Barbet should have a slightly higher LB rating in the full release database. 

The U23s can not be renamed. I think it's been suggested on this forum before although not neccessarily about Brentford.

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16 hours ago, LLNDVS said:

Scout contracts: I have discovered that you can only offer part-time roles to scouts - but you can offer full-time roles to every other job type. I've checked the Editor, and it is set as that. I presume this is an oversight / mistake.

Player positions: I think a couple of players should be boosted in their positional proficiency. Yoann Barbet deserves a higher rating than 16 at left-back; a rating of 17 or 18 would suffice. He's done well there in real life, and it would encourage the AI to use him there as well. I also think Romaine Sawyers should have a higher rating as a central midfielder, as that's where he's been playing all season.

One final thing, is it possible to change the name of the Under-23 squad to the B team? That would represent real life better.

how do you change it to full time on the editor for the scouts?

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10 hours ago, themightyshakers said:

how do you change it to full time on the editor for the scouts?

Go to Clubs.

Filter for Brentford

Find Contract Types. Select Full-Time for Scout.

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Maupay's Temperament and Sportsmanship too high. Dirtiness too low. Full range of the 1-20 scale needs using.

Filthy little stamper who has the gall to accuse a player of diving after he's left half his studs in him. Repeat offender now.

 

Romaine Sawyers guilty of cynical trips off the ball. Dirtiness 7 far too low. Sportsmanship 12 too high. Dalsgaard lost his head completely trying to cope with Roberts & Dyer so 14 Sportsmanship and Temperament too high there as well.

Get that the team as a whole is going through a tough time but those lads stood out as cooking under the pressure.

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It's only this season we've become, erm, more cynical....

Maupay is already noted as needing those attributes reconsidered (3 match ban awaits one suspects). As for the rest of the team it's an interesting case study on the pressure of a relegation battle on a usually well behaved group of players.  

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14 hours ago, fm16boss said:

Could you make a B team instead of an U23 Team?

As previously answered. This isnt something we set in the database. Afaik the game mechanics mean each team in a country has to have the same reserve/b/u23 (call it what you will) system.

 

Perhaps you could do a feature request to allow 'nicknames' or similar to be set for u23/u18s, along the lines of what can be set in game for players. 

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