My initial thoughts of FM 2019 (Alpha)

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, tyro said:

I always wonder if I am blind or if I am getting too old and am happy to just have time to play a game and not have time to complain about it but when I look at the videos and see the changes in the visual representation of the match, then I can't see how others miss that? Beyond that, as Miles stated, there are thousands of small little changes in the match engine (that's not the graphics, btw.). So how people keep saying there are no changes is beyond me.

Did you guys see the ball physics in the "ALPHA" version? (Alpha comes before Beta comes before actual game, right?). You understand that there are changes being done before they release the Beta. And there are changes done before November 2nd when the game is officially released, right? Or do you think Alpha is the actual game?

I played this not to be named game years back and I keep saying it, I am so happy I discovered this game. That not to be named game had great graphics, yes, oh and I could buy a car and a house, but I told my player to do something and it made no difference. In this game, they actually do what you ask them to, but hey, they have their own personalities too, and they make mistakes. Penalty doesn't mean 100% goal. VAR feedback doesn't mean the referee got it right. Calling offside doesn't mean it was. This is all build into the game.

People, sit back in your chairs, lean back, breathe for 10 seconds, and enjoy that you can play such a nice game to relax. Feedback is always good to make it better but tearing apart an Alpha version before you have even seen it, is insane.

Everyone has to accept that there will be criticism of the game based on limited stream exposure, just like everyone has to accept their will be praise for the game based on limited stream exposure. There will always be overreactions from both perspectives & as is always the case the majority will reserve judgement until get their hands on the game.

[trevjim]

5 minutes ago, Barside said:

Everyone has to accept that there will be criticism of the game based on limited stream exposure, just like everyone has to accept their will be praise for the game based on limited stream exposure. There will always be overreactions from both perspectives & as is always the case the majority will reserve judgement until get their hands on the game.

I agree. It's a bit ironic that people like tyro will call others blind, despite the others in question actually going of live streams and people like tyro going of guess work

 

[tyro]

30 minutes ago, trevjim said:

I agree. It's a bit ironic that people like tyro will call others blind, despite the others in question actually going of live streams and people like tyro going of guess work

 

What guess work? I watched all streams and youtube videos. 

And I said I must be blind because I can see changes in the graphics of the match engine. Please read what I wrote before saying wrong things.

[ChelseaSince86]

Have i missed something? What has that Jenkaldo done/said which may rub SI the wrong way?

[trevjim]

7 minutes ago, tyro said:

What guess work? I watched all streams and youtube videos. 

And I said I must be blind because I can see changes in the graphics of the match engine. Please read what I wrote before saying wrong things.

You said what people saw in the alpha is pure guess work, even though they saw it on their screens.

 

And then you have blindly praised SI about how good the game is going to to be without actually playing it.  Which is a bit rich when you have called others blind.

 

You're welcome to praise the game as much as you look but please respect others rights to criticize it.

[trevjim]

7 minutes ago, ChelseaSince86 said:

Have i missed something? What has that Jenkaldo done/said which may rub SI the wrong way?

I believe he has stated that the usual tactic exploits from previous years are still sadly in the game (and will be until the ME in the done from scratch)

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, ChelseaSince86 said:

Have i missed something? What has that Jenkaldo done/said which may rub SI the wrong way?

Claimed that there is a game-breaking issue with strikerless tactics being an exploit while not offering up any real evidence of this as the two clubs left to the assistant while on holiday mode achieved a plausaible league finish, this kind of garbage analysis is unlikely to be what SI anticipated from community content creators, criticism would not have been great if it was fair & based on gameplay experience or any form of critical analysis but jenkaldo failed to meet any of these basic criteria.

[Scoham]

2 minutes ago, trevjim said:

I believe he has stated that the usual tactic exploits from previous years are still sadly in the game (and will be until the ME in the done from scratch)

Exploits can be fixed without creating a new ME from scratch.

[HUNT3R]

@trevjim, read your PM, please.

[tyro]

7 minutes ago, trevjim said:

You said what people saw in the alpha is pure guess work, even though they saw it on their screens.

 

And then you have blindly praised SI about how good the game is going to to be without actually playing it.  Which is a bit rich when you have called others blind.

 

You're welcome to praise the game as much as you look but please respect others rights to criticize it.

No. Please read my post again.

Anyways, I understand why people don't like posting here. I am out awaiting my beta :)

[trevjim]

13 minutes ago, Scoham said:

Exploits can be fixed without creating a new ME from scratch.

Clearly not when they have been a problem for many years now

[Scoham]

5 minutes ago, trevjim said:

Clearly not when they have been a problem for many years now

That doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Maybe it wasn’t a priority for whatever reason, maybe they couldn’t get it quite right.

A new ME isn’t a magic fix either, no ME will be perfect and it’ll come with its own flaws.

What exploits are you talking about? I thought the 3 striker issue was a new problem with FM18?

[HUNT3R]

10 minutes ago, trevjim said:

Clearly not when they have been a problem for many years now

There will probably always be an exploit of some kind, new ME or not. In most sport games I can think of right now, there's an exploit of some kind in every version.

[trevjim]

Just now, Scoham said:

That doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Maybe it wasn’t a priority for whatever reason, maybe they couldn’t get it quite right.

A new ME isn’t a magic fix either, no ME will be perfect and it’ll come with its own flaws.

What exploits are you talking about? I thought the 3 striker issue was a new problem with FM18?

But the ME is the most important part of the game, alongside perhaps the DB, so it should be a priority.

The 3 striker exploit was just a carry on from the wingers/wing backs exploit from previous years.

Overload the wide areas and the AI intelligance can't cope.  I believe even SI have said that they have done as much as they can with the wide exploit

[Amarante]

I need to know what Perfect world do some of you live in where they are no exploits or cheats in any software? Please tell me especially in games. At the end of the day people FM is a game and every gamne you will find something that breaks it. SI can only fix certain exploit by making the AI better and seeing as i have never saw an AI use a 3 striker formation or a strikerless formation then what really needs fixing is the human component of the game that wants to break it .

 

People think we programmers wave a magic wand and issues are fixed. It ain't work that wa to fix any problem we have to first know what the problem is, what causes this problem and how best to fix this problem so that it doesn't cause a next problem.  Most of you say the 3 striker system and strikerless is an exploit but can you tell us how exactly  it breaks the ME. Can you think of a way to fix this?  The AI can only do so much as its a programme once you start doing things that makes no sense then what do you expect is gonna happen? You expect the AI to cope with your flawed reasoning? 

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Amarante said:

I need to know what Perfect world do some of you live in where they are no exploits or cheats in any software? 

We already live in that perfect world, it just depends on how much money you’re willing to spend to achieve the perfect simulation.

[Amarante]

2 minutes ago, Barside said:

We already live in that perfect world, it just depends on how much money you’re willing to spend to achieve the perfect simulation.

And on that note my friend, you have been upvoted. 

[herne79]

12 minutes ago, Amarante said:

Most of you say the 3 striker system and strikerless is an exploit but can you tell us how exactly  it breaks the ME. Can you think of a way to fix this?

For us human managers I can think of a way.  Don't use it.

[trevjim]

11 minutes ago, Amarante said:

I need to know what Perfect world do some of you live in where they are no exploits or cheats in any software? Please tell me especially in games. At the end of the day people FM is a game and every gamne you will find something that breaks it. SI can only fix certain exploit by making the AI better and seeing as i have never saw an AI use a 3 striker formation or a strikerless formation then what really needs fixing is the human component of the game that wants to break it .

 

People think we programmers wave a magic wand and issues are fixed. It ain't work that wa to fix any problem we have to first know what the problem is, what causes this problem and how best to fix this problem so that it doesn't cause a next problem.  Most of you say the 3 striker system and strikerless is an exploit but can you tell us how exactly  it breaks the ME. Can you think of a way to fix this?  The AI can only do so much as its a programme once you start doing things that makes no sense then what do you expect is gonna happen? You expect the AI to cope with your flawed reasoning? 

 

That's ridiculous. So in a football simulation, which tries to be as close to real life as possible, we the user are not allowed to use 3 forwards as that's an exploit? 

That's a laughable excuse. "Sorry everyone we know there is an exploit so don't use this formation and we will pretend it's all ok.....oh btw tactics are great this year"

I agree that it won't be perfect, but when an issue from 4 years ago still hasn't been fixed, we are allowed to voice our displeasure on here.

[Amarante]

2 minutes ago, Barside said:

We already live in that perfect world, it just depends on how much money you’re willing to spend to achieve the perfect simulation.

And on that note my friend, you have been upvoted. 

[Amarante]

5 minutes ago, trevjim said:

That's ridiculous. So in a football simulation, which tries to be as close to real life as possible, we the user are not allowed to use 3 forwards as that's an exploit? 

That's a laughable excuse. "Sorry everyone we know there is an exploit so don't use this formation and we will pretend it's all ok.....oh btw tactics are great this year"

I agree that it won't be perfect, but when an issue from 4 years ago still hasn't been fixed, we are allowed to voice our displeasure on here.

Thank you for disregarding 90% of what i just said. 

This aint no magical fix, no magical wand that they can wave and fix it. No team in IRL plays with out a player in the striker position no teams play with 3 players in the striker position. 

NO AI TEAM does this. This only becomes a problem when YOU the human manager does this. SI is limited by research into AI Game development, which is very complex very hard and is an ongoing research at many universities. SI should be proud their AI is is this complex. As of such as because its a program, you will have flaws things that make no logical sense like playing without a striker or 3 strikers will have game-breaking results. 

Its not a case where SI don't want to fix it, it can simply be a case of not knowing how to fix it or don't have the required time. Also why should they even care if a bunch of you want to use a strikerless tactic or 3 strikers that's your problem. 

[Mensell76]

11 minutes ago, herne79 said:

For us human managers I can think of a way.  Don't use it.

Is there even a real life club team in recent years which plays with a left,  central and right striker? I have always questioned the availability of this tactic in fm since I can not name one real life example.

[themadsheep2001]

1 minute ago, Mensell76 said:

Is there even a real life club team in recent years which plays with a left,  central and right striker? I have always questioned the availability of this tactic in fm since I can not name one real life example.

No, there is not, certainly not currently

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Amarante said:

And on that note my friend, you have been upvoted. 

I spend relatively silly money on a PC to get the most out of games & in particular FM but I’d probably stop short of the £500K+ I’d need for perfection.

[Mensell76]

6 minutes ago, Amarante said:

No team in IRL plays with out a player in the striker position 

First of all you use quite a bit of capslock in your posts, seems unnecessary.

Strikerless formations are a very well known tactic. It was introduced by Johan Cruijff when playing English formations with two tall static DC's and has been used by Guardiola a lot as well.

[luka_zg]

Guardiola played a player in striker position who would then drop back. He never played without a striker.

[toffee71]

18 minutes ago, Mensell76 said:

Is there even a real life club team in recent years which plays with a left,  central and right striker? I have always questioned the availability of this tactic in fm since I can not name one real life example.

Not at big clubs, but definitely at lower league level yes, though that may be down to available players on that day

[Amarante]

16 minutes ago, Mensell76 said:

First of all you use quite a bit of capslock in your posts, seems unnecessary.

Strikerless formations are a very well known tactic. It was introduced by Johan Cruijff when playing English formations with two tall static DC's and has been used by Guardiola a lot as well.

Master Cyruff use a Striker that striker just dropped deeper than normal. Pep use a false 9. 

[Mensell76]

25 minutes ago, luka_ said:

Guardiola played a player in striker position who would then drop back. He never played without a striker.

Yes he did since Messi played in the centre of the pitch dropping in deep he could have been seen as a valse 9, but his trades and positioning actually made him play as an AMC playmaker/ finisher. 

Spain also often played with 6 real natural midfielders during their successful spell, often with David Silva being the deepest AMC.

[DoubleDenimSuccess]

19 hours ago, Zemahh said:

Football Manager Poooooorvoooort level obtained.....congratulations!

[Mensell76]

2 minutes ago, Amarante said:

Master Cyruff use a Striker that striker just dropped deeper than normal. Pep use a false 9. 

Ajax used Tadic in the centre role against Bayern. Tadic is not a striker. The facts that tv shows a player in a striker spot does not mean that the tactic actually has a striker. 

Cruijff quoted in a big interview in Voetbal International in 2001: "against the 2 best central defenders in the world you should just play without a striker. You just choose a player who always drops deep. Michael Laudrup was such a player, as was I. Rafael vd Vaart could do it now"

Neither Laudrup nor Vd Vaart would be a false nine in FM, agreed? Literally Cruijff proposed a 4-6-0.

 

[Amarante]

1 hour ago, Mensell76 said:

Ajax used Tadic in the centre role against Bayern. Tadic is not a striker. The facts that tv shows a player in a striker spot does not mean that the tactic actually has a striker. 

Cruijff quoted in a big interview in Voetbal International in 2001: "against the 2 best central defenders in the world you should just play without a striker. You just choose a player who always drops deep. Michael Laudrup was such a player, as was I. Rafael vd Vaart could do it now"

Neither Laudrup nor Vd Vaart would be a false nine in FM, agreed? Literally Cruijff proposed a 4-6-0.

 

You are not getting it. You are talking about roles and instructions but that player occupies the striker position. Laudrup himself said he was a striker a false 9. In IRL football i can easily replicate that in FM you have to use a 4-6-0 to get the same movement but there is always a player occupying the striker position.  What you are talking about is trying to implement a specialist tactic in FM because you can\t mirror the same off the ball movement with a player in the striker position. 

There is a difference between the position and role of a player. Every player takes up a position what they do in that position is define by their role. What Cyruff was mentioning was a player that starts in the striker position but plays as an attacking midfielder. 

[westy8chimp]

Seems pointless to be arguing about... But..

False 9 is a striker that drops deep. Its that high to low run that makes difficulty for an opponent, they decide if a marking cb tracks him (making space for a fwd running midfielder) or when he drops deep does he become the midfields problem (creating a central overload for the attacking team).

Cesc was not a false 9, rdv not a false 9... Others are questionable. The original false 9 was an out and out goalscoring striker who simply started dropping deep to find more space because every opponent learnt to have a cb man marking the classic 9. When fabregas played "false 9" (which he wasnt) for spain 1) his starting position was not high enough to then drag defenders out 2) he was not known as a striker so the opponent knew exactly where he would play.

Spain played strikerless and worked as a unit to get players in advanced positions. 

True false 9 are not strikerless formation as their default position is striker and then they drop deep or roam. 

[Mensell76]

59 minutes ago, Amarante said:

You are not getting it. You are talking about roles and instructions but that player occupies the striker position. Laudrup himself said he was a striker a false 9. In IRL football i can easily replicate that in FM you have to use a 4-6-0 to get the same movement but there is always a player occupying the striker position.  What you are talking about is trying to implement a specialist tactic in FM because you can\t mirror the same off the ball movement with a player in the striker position. 

There is a difference between the position and role of a player. Every player takes up a position what they do in that position is define by their role. What Cyruff was mentioning was a player that starts in the striker position but plays as an attacking midfielder. 

The only one not getting it is you. Please do not try to explain Cruijff if you have never ever watched this:

Johan Cruijfs 4-6-0 Diamond Formation

Scroll to the 1.30 mark and see how Cruijff draws his formation: 4-6-0 with an AMC. That is HIS diamond and he plays like that when he does not have a type like Van Basten. 

Please do not try to educate me on Cruijff. I do not have the arrogance to think I know how he meant tactics, he was a genius but sometimes hard to understand. I just hear and accept what he tells us and writes down for us and then just literally quote him.

[rain94]

2 hours ago, Mensell76 said:

Is there even a real life club team in recent years which plays with a left,  central and right striker? I have always questioned the availability of this tactic in fm since I can not name one real life example.

 

2 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said:

No, there is not, certainly not currently

I'm confused. Is this 433 Narrow formation, which FM has for a template, an exploit? Several teams IRL use this. How else can I play 433 without 3 strikers? 

[trevjim]

7 minutes ago, rain94 said:

 

I'm confused. Is this 433 Narrow formation, which FM has for a template, an exploit? Several teams IRL use this. How else can I play 433 without 3 strikers? 

Yup. Liverpool pretty much play that exact formation. Mane and Salah act as more than a striker than firmino does.

 

Ignore the guys saying that no teams use it, they are trying to change the narrative to fit their agenda so they can make any excuses for the match engine exploits.

 

"Too much money" I've heard, "too much time," "it's the users faul" "no teams play like that anyway"

 

It's pathetic really how they blindly make excuses for it

[Novem9]

11 минут назад, rain94 сказал:

I'm confused. Is this 433 Narrow formation, which FM has for a template, an exploit? Several teams IRL use this. How else can I play 433 without 3 strikers? 

 

 

Только что, trevjim сказал:

Yup. Liverpool pretty much play that exact formation

I dont agree. Liverpool, Paris SG etc play in 1 striker and 2 IF. Salah/Mane or Neymar/Mbappe are strikers in last stage only

[Novem9]

Concerning alpha stream I was really confused about FIRST goal. This scored after terrible mistake of defender, who passed ball from wing to middle. This was totally stupid decision and unrealistic. Second is more important thing.

Of course, stupid goals happened, but FIRST goal. This is evil random isn't?

[trevjim]

Just now, Novem9 said:

 

I dont agree. Liverpool, Paris SG etc play in 1 striker and 2 IF. Salah/Mane or Neymar/Mbappe are strikers in last stage only

With Liverpool, firmino either runs deep to receive the ball and Salah/mane run into the centre to occupy the space he has made.

 

Or firmino wins it back and spreads it to either one of them.

 

Regardless, to recreate that, all 3 would take up the striker roles in FM. Individual roles would be debatable but they would make a 3 striker prong.

Same with City 

[Rashidi]

you need to watch them "live" in the stadium to appreciate how high up the pitch they really are during transitions.

[rain94]

2 minutes ago, Novem9 said:

 

I dont agree. Liverpool, Paris SG etc play in 1 striker and 2 IF. Salah/Mane or Neymar/Mbappe are strikers in last stage only

I see. FM classifies this as 433 Wide, however it is not listed as a template. So I take it if I want to stay away from exploits, which I do, I'll have to run with this setup.

[Mensell76]

7 minutes ago, trevjim said:

With Liverpool, firmino either runs deep to receive the ball and Salah/mane run into the centre to occupy the space he has made.

 

Or firmino wins it back and spreads it to either one of them.

 

Regardless, to recreate that, all 3 would take up the striker roles in FM. Individual roles would be debatable but they would make a 3 striker prong.

Same with City 

Trust me the 4-6-0 with Firmino in the AMC and Salah and Make on inside forwards does just that but next to that you will see Mane and Salah as wingers in a defensive shape just as irl.

With a narrow 3 striker formation the defensive shape won't easily become a 4-1-4-1.

[westy8chimp]

As this is FM19 thread why are you talking about exploits? Sure there will probably be one... But if history is anything to go by, itl be something that plays completely different to 433 (3strikers).

We wont know until at least 5 mins after the beta release... At which point somehow knap will have simmed 500 seasons with 100 different teams and told the world exactly how to win at fm... 

[Novem9]

3 минуты назад, trevjim сказал:

With Liverpool, firmino either runs deep to receive the ball and Salah/mane run into the centre to occupy the space he has made.

 

Or firmino wins it back and spreads it to either one of them.

 

Regardless, to recreate that, all 3 would take up the striker roles in FM. Individual roles would be debatable but they would make a 3 striker prong.

Same with City 

If Firmino F9/DLF(s), IF's (a) will move to empty zones too. (I mean FM of course)

Btw, exploit is more about 523, but this is talking 3CB, because defense is weak part of FM ME

[michaeltmurrayuk]

4 hours ago, Amarante said:

Thank you for disregarding 90% of what i just said. 

This aint no magical fix, no magical wand that they can wave and fix it. No team in IRL plays with out a player in the striker position no teams play with 3 players in the striker position. 

NO AI TEAM does this. This only becomes a problem when YOU the human manager does this. SI is limited by research into AI Game development, which is very complex very hard and is an ongoing research at many universities. SI should be proud their AI is is this complex. As of such as because its a program, you will have flaws things that make no logical sense like playing without a striker or 3 strikers will have game-breaking results. 

Its not a case where SI don't want to fix it, it can simply be a case of not knowing how to fix it or don't have the required time. Also why should they even care if a bunch of you want to use a strikerless tactic or 3 strikers that's your problem. 

I should point out in FM18 at least the AI can use strikerless formations it's just fairly rare - Ebbsfleet used a 4-2-3-1-0 formation for a season in my game (DM-DM, LM-CM-RM, AMC), whilst the narrow 4-3-3 formation shown in screenshots in this thread gets used a fair bit. The main difference is the roles that the AI selects it selects the roles you'd expect for the formation, whilst the user can pick roles that shouldn't work but for whatever reason do.

[toffee71]

1 hour ago, rain94 said:

 

I'm confused. Is this 433 Narrow formation, which FM has for a template, an exploit? Several teams IRL use this. How else can I play 433 without 3 strikers? 

 

1 hour ago, rain94 said:

I see. FM classifies this as 433 Wide, however it is not listed as a template. So I take it if I want to stay away from exploits, which I do, I'll have to run with this setup.

I think the Liverpool team is a hybrid of these 2 formations, the IFs are more AMs inside attacking so kind of inbetween the if position and the dlf position otherwise the gegen wouldn't work with the ifs out wide

 

1 hour ago, Novem9 said:

 

I dont agree. Liverpool, Paris SG etc play in 1 striker and 2 IF. Salah/Mane or Neymar/Mbappe are strikers in last stage only

 

[albritani]

On 13/10/2018 at 14:45, tstbb said:

Constructive Criticisms

• UI - I wish they would focus less on things like colours and just make it easier to navigate. I have never had an issue with the new UI (since the sidebar) or colours. This version will have far too many hidden pages/too much info. I think the game needs a big cull of unnecessary pages, graphs, etc. I don't care for features like different colours for ratings in game. In my opinion, it just seems like wasted time where SI labour could be used on bigger and more landmark features

I will be happy to judge it by myself when I play the game but if this is correct it's seriously irritating. I have bleated on about a UI overhaul for a long time now, judging by the videos released, it's a new color palette. Not a new UI.

The issue isn't the colors, it's the clunky layout, overload of information, buttons not doing what you expect them to do. To put it bluntly it's a terrible UI and a color palette change doesn't alter anything.

Howver as I said, I will judge it on my own when the beta is released - but I can already see by the screenshots it's categorically NOT a new UI.

[Svenc]

19 hours ago, themadsheep2001 said:

Sitting 6th in the league and deservedly do. Incredibly average so far 

Looking average in the last couple of weeks. Still dropping ridiculous points (Hertha) that other teams have taken plenty (Hertha). Still also competing in a league where the hope isn't based so much on anybody else (because the Bundesliga doesn't really have had a competitive top side in ages), but Bayern probably having a bit of a prolonged crisis. Which they may well have, mind. Still a tad early, take a look at the point table and headlines this time last year and you may find an eerily similar situation at hand.

[Dagenham_Dave]

58 minutes ago, albritani said:

I will be happy to judge it by myself when I play the game but if this is correct it's seriously irritating. I have bleated on about a UI overhaul for a long time now, judging by the videos released, it's a new color palette. Not a new UI.

The issue isn't the colors, it's the clunky layout, overload of information, buttons not doing what you expect them to do. To put it bluntly it's a terrible UI and a color palette change doesn't alter anything.

Howver as I said, I will judge it on my own when the beta is released - but I can already see by the screenshots it's categorically NOT a new UI.

If you've seen any of the FM19 videos yet, you'll already know the UI is massively improved on last year's effort. No-one's ever said it's a completely new one. Nor does it need to be. FM18's one was horrible with loads of bugs and stuff missing. To give just one example, look at the difference in the scouting cards. Night and day. And you've also got a new tab to list reports when there's loads of them, which saves having to click through each one. That in itself is a significant improvement. 

But it'll never be enough though, eh?

[Amarante]

3 hours ago, Mensell76 said:

The only one not getting it is you. Please do not try to explain Cruijff if you have never ever watched this:

Johan Cruijfs 4-6-0 Diamond Formation

Scroll to the 1.30 mark and see how Cruijff draws his formation: 4-6-0 with an AMC. That is HIS diamond and he plays like that when he does not have a type like Van Basten. 

Please do not try to educate me on Cruijff. I do not have the arrogance to think I know how he meant tactics, he was a genius but sometimes hard to understand. I just hear and accept what he tells us and writes down for us and then just literally quote him.

Sigh. You have no idea what's going on there do you quote him in context.  Cyruff  uses a diamond 343 not a 4-6-0.  That video is incomplete and only provides a glimpse. 

Cruyff used a 343 or a 433. Both of which was able to create the diamond that he wanted. Each of which used a player in the striker position.  All you have to do is. watch how Ajax and Barcelona play.