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Lazio - Shades of Italy

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Buzzing for the new FM having seen the release posts. But that being said, i'm currently on garden leave (3 months paid to sit at home and play FM!) So I need one last crack at FM18. 

I've been playing a lot of crossing, direct football (532, 442 etc). So for a change i'm going for a centrally dominated style.

Having done a long stint in Bundesliga i'm finding a return to English football really boring. 

So I've settled on Lazio for a final save. 

I wanted a team capable of playing some the more exuberant (in name if nothing else) roles and try to play a style that has shades of real Italian football.

The key ideas (necessities);

  • a low tempo style to keep possession
  • use attack duties to add potency in the right places
  • Trequarista and Mezzala to be key to the success of the tactic

Other ideas (nice to have)

  • A Carrilero but even after a whole year I struggle to see how this role behaves if I have wide men in the AM strata. And it's supposed to pair well with a Mezzala but my observation is, it mostly covers the side of the pitch it starts on... it doesn't cover the whole vacated by attacking Mez. I haven't used it much yet though so perhaps i'm wrong. 
  • IWB to give us central numbers (I've played too much wide 442/532 crossing, now I want a tactic build to exploit the centre...in terms of build up)

I'm going to take steps to get to the end vision and not try to race there. I want to identify the right personnel for specialist roles, train relevant PPMs etc

My first vision "the crescent of the moon" 

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And how I see the tactic in 5 seasons time (though I am very much open to help/advice/ideas) - "the whole of the moon"

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It's started pretty well with a few adjustments from 4123 to 4132 to where I am now. 

Player wise start with a few stars; De Vrij, Savic, Immobile and an injured Anderson who is due back shortly (i'm at the end of Nov). There are some decent squad players. The PPMs are good (full backs who like to get forward and move into channels - perfect for my IWB, CM that get into opposition area - perfect for Mez). Anderson and Luiz Alberto both have flair 20 which will help my low tempo game become a bit more exciting in the final 3rd. 

@Cleonideas on Carilero - is it worth using if I keep with the wide attackers? (which I intend to do, to make use of IWB) 

 

 

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Your "5 year plan" tactic actually looks quite similar to what I'm planning on attempting in the second season of my current Ajax save...which given your track record either means I'm on the right track or you've completely lost the plot. 

Whilst their fans have a tendency towards being utterly despicable, my FM15 save with them was one of the most fun I've ever had so will follow this keenly. 

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8 minutes ago, zlatanera said:

Your "5 year plan" tactic actually looks quite similar to what I'm planning on attempting in the second season of my current Ajax save...which given your track record either means I'm on the right track or you've completely lost the plot. 

Whilst their fans have a tendency towards being utterly despicable, my FM15 save with them was one of the most fun I've ever had so will follow this keenly. 

Sounds intriguing, feel free to share your tactic and ideas on this thread :) 

So far for me; 

I'm seeing glimpses of the variety I am after, we do have long periods of possession 

 

 

 

 

With possession stats ranging from 55 right up to 68%. Only Juventus have stopped us in terms of controlling the game. I had 50% vs them (away) and lost 2-0. 

But we also have more potency when teams come to play and we catch them in transition - some of my DMs have good ppm to try killer balls and dictate tempo. But also the attack duty Mez and TQ like to play more risky passes and switch the tempo up when situation allows (as seen in the goal vs Crotone above, after camping in the final 3rd Savic finally played the back heel through ball assist)

 

 

The trouble is, and it's probably a mix of personnel (having Immobile, Anderson, Nani, Alberto all injured for long periods means I've had poor attacking players in a number of games) but also tactical leaving the attack either stranded, or allowing too much time for the defence to get in shape.... we are only winning games by the odd goal. 13 lg games in and whilst I've W 9 D 2 L 2 … the GD is just +6!! 

This is typical match stats

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I won't make changes unless I go on a really bad streak, because it may improve when I get a run of games with key players together. 

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I used something quite similar with the Libero and wide players. I had the 2 CM players as CM Support and it worked quite well leaving the space for the Libero to move forward but it's the wall he hits at a certain point made me change it. I found he was the pass before the assist but I wanted more. I wanted him assisting and scoring. Maybe it was the player or the instructions but I found he didn't do enough of what I wanted. I hope it's been fixed for FM19 because I enjoyed the role.

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1 hour ago, westy8chimp said:

Buzzing for the new FM having seen the release posts. But that being said, i'm currently on garden leave (3 months paid to sit at home and play FM!) So I need one last crack at FM18. 

I've been playing a lot of crossing, direct football (532, 442 etc). Having done a long stint in Bundesliga i'm finding a return to English football really boring. 

So I've settled on Lazio for a final save. 

I wanted a team capable of playing some the more exuberant (in name if nothing else) roles and try to play a style that has shades of real Italian football.

The key ideas (necessities);

  • a low tempo style to keep possession
  • use attack duties to add potency in the right places
  • Trequarista and Mezzala to be key to the success of the tactic

Other ideas (nice to have)

  • A Carrilero but even after a whole year I struggle to see how this role behaves if I have wide men in the AM strata. And it's supposed to pair well with a Mezzala but my observation is, it mostly covers the side of the pitch it starts on... it doesn't cover the whole vacated by attacking Mez. I haven't used it much yet though so perhaps i'm wrong. 
  • IWB to give us central numbers (I've played too much wide 442/532 crossing, now I want a tactic build to exploit the centre...in terms of build up)

I'm going to take steps to get to the end vision and not try to race there. I want to identify the right personnel for specialist roles, train relevant PPMs etc

My first vision "the crescent of the moon" 

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And how I see the tactic in 5 seasons time (though I am very much open to help/advice/ideas) - "the whole of the moon"

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It's started pretty well with a few adjustments from 4123 to 4132 to where I am now. 

Player wise start with a few stars; De Vrij, Savic, Immobile and an injured Anderson who is due back shortly (i'm at the end of Nov). There are some decent squad players. The PPMs are good (full backs who like to get forward and move into channels - perfect for my IWB, CM that get into opposition area - perfect for Mez). Anderson and Luiz Alberto both have flair 20 which will help my low tempo game become a bit more exciting in the final 3rd. 

@Cleonideas on Carilero - is it worth using if I keep with the wide attackers? (which I intend to do, to make use of IWB) 

 

 

The role won't function like it's supposed to and will behave strangely. Especially as it's a IWB you'll be using, so he will move into the same space that the carilero will occupy. You might be better suited selecting a different role for him if you want to do the job he is tasked/described to do. 

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24 minutes ago, Cleon said:

The role won't function like it's supposed to and will behave strangely. Especially as it's a IWB you'll be using, so he will move into the same space that the carilero will occupy. You might be better suited selecting a different role for him if you want to do the job he is tasked/described to do. 

I dont really want a playmaker... Maybe bbm or cm-s. As it is now 

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Interested to see how this turns out since a couple of things go against how I typical set things up. Retain Possession but then "use attack duties to add potency in the right places"'; for me "the right places" aren't high up the pitch as this will separate them from the deeper players who've been told to rarely play through balls so have limited options for a simple pass to feet.  Maybe due to the roles with hard coded Risky Passes often this will actually work.  Which leads me to using the TREQ in a slower possession style, a bit strange but I'll admit I don't use the role that often.  In my experience they are "do something right now" due to there individual mentality and instructions, rather than working the ball around.  Could this add a chance of pace to your tactic or waste possession due to his urgency without other players being urgent?  Finally having all 4 wide players being roles that are more focused on central play, will this give options or reduce space, especially once you've transitioned to a LIB.

As far as your CAR, i'm wondering if your pigeonholing yourself due to wanting IWB-S and then not being sure what to combine with the TREQ?  A strong BWM/CAR type to do the TREQ's dirty work?  A player to help and give attacking options to the TREQ?  With 2 CBs, two IWB-S and a HB-D/LIB I think the middle is covered with a 2-3 shape, though with wide forwards coming inside will those IWB-S stay narrow?  If the IWB-S can't be relied upon to cover inside maybe it would be best to just give him a wide role on that side (WB-S?) then have the MCR be a simple role like CM-S or more of a BWM-S or as you say a BBM-S?

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Some good points. Thats why its a 5 yr plan...that end tactic is a brief plan, by no means set in stone. Ive not had much success with TQ before and barely used Mez... So first and foremost those are my start point. Everything else has to mould around them. Losing the iwb is probably the way forward so i can stop using wide attackers. Then i can have my tq central. 41212/4312... Or perhaps as you elude to something more asymetric as id quite like to keep felipe anderson/kluivert as inside forward

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@westy8chimp Similar to you I had two ideas and also haven't used MEZ and CAR, but for now I'm keeping things relatively simple except for the Libero...got a backup plan that I know works using a central Treq though. 

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The "all support duties makes us patient without using Retain Possession" one. Wingers leads to soooo many crosses though, makes headers count for 90% of goals so might switch to IF and WB, only the likes of Cerny and Kluivert aren't great finishers. CMs to Get Forward, Move Into Channels, Libero to Dribble More (because Frenkie De Jong has "plays killer balls" and I want him to bring it out of defence). Could probably change those CMs into MEZ if I wanted.

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This one is just my challenge #3 with the Half Back turned into a Libero. Might be a bit too gung-ho but I'm sure it would keep the fans on side whilst I worked out the kinks. More of a backup plan given it would require retraining a few attackers, but at least I know the attack works. My backup with a Treq in is essentially this with the SS pushed to be strikers actually...basically I made one formation one time that clicked and just keep iterating.

EDIT: Always give my GKs "distribute to SW" to encourage that as the primary form of us moving the ball out of our half. Oh, and you can't tick "Get Further Forward" for a Support duty Libero.

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On ‎28‎/‎09‎/‎2018 at 19:43, summatsupeer said:

Interested to see how this turns out since a couple of things go against how I typical set things up. Retain Possession but then "use attack duties to add potency in the right places"'; for me "the right places" aren't high up the pitch as this will separate them from the deeper players who've been told to rarely play through balls so have limited options for a simple pass to feet.  Maybe due to the roles with hard coded Risky Passes often this will actually work.  Which leads me to using the TREQ in a slower possession style, a bit strange but I'll admit I don't use the role that often.  In my experience they are "do something right now" due to there individual mentality and instructions, rather than working the ball around.  Could this add a chance of pace to your tactic or waste possession due to his urgency without other players being urgent?  Finally having all 4 wide players being roles that are more focused on central play, will this give options or reduce space, especially once you've transitioned to a LIB.

Just to revisit this - I've finished the season now. The idea worked to some extent but some of your concerns played out. 

Some of the goals were really beautiful - CB retrieve possession when the opponent CB or GK plays long due to pressure. Then my defence played very slowly and precise to get the ball to half way. Once the ball got to one of the attacking players the tempo increased and the TQ would look for a through ball or cross to Mez, IF or AF. 

However, in classic Italian style, there were a lot of very tight games where I was getting 0-0, 1-1, 1-0, 2-1 with very few shots on target by either side. 

So I made another tactical tweak a bit more back to basic. And more balance with one FB staying wide with the other still IWB filling in for the MEZ. The overall play was very much the same. Quick in transition if we turn the ball over in the middle... slow if I play out from the back. But it was far more potent with the extra body in midfield. Also introduced a Regista in place for the 3rd CB to give another player with fire in the belly from deep. 

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Slow build ups - then more cutting edge when the ball gets to the TQ, Alberto on the RW in most cases, (apologies for double vids, for some reason if I record more it just cuts out in the YouTube vid, some of the intros are frustratingly long too) - 

 

Some after turnover a lot more direct

 

 

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Europa Lg Final

Opponent is Ajax, a fairly nice draw reflecting my journey to the final where I managed to avoid the best teams throughout. 

Scout report doesn't highlight anything interesting. They have a back 5 and counter mentality. Should be a really exciting game...

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Lineups, I was without a few key players. But can I count Anderson as key, he only managed a handful of games as he succumbed to injury after injury. Immobile started a lot of games but often picked up minor injuries and needed subbing.. this time he was completely out.. a few others were out too 

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As expected really average game. Early disaster with Santon getting a red card so I had to make tactical change and hope for the best. Could have made better changes but still wanted to keep the Mez and TQ

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HT and Ajax yet to register a shot. Our conversion is bad but the chances we have had were driven from set pieces. Keeping possession as expected. 

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Another tweak, Wernboom is wasting attacks, so asking him to hold back as CAR instead of BBM. 

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Not how I like to win games, but eventually the set pieces paid off 

 

So we made another tweak going a bit more direct to a TM as the opponents push forward. We created a few more chances and kept them at bay with ease. A boring 1-0 win, but in a Europa final you take it how it comes. 

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The chances fell mostly to De Vrij and he scored the winner. Not at all indicative of the season on the whole! 

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The other chances were wasteful from BBM, I think when the width disappeared down the tunnel along with Santon, the attacking options also disappeared. 

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I'm getting good joy with the TQ, i'm pleased with the touches being spread far and wide showing that he does get involved more so than perhaps a standard winger or IF. 

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End of Season

League form - at one stage looked like we would win the league at a canter, we were 18 games unbeaten and getting better. But a look at the scorelines show that this form was always a little fragile. Eventually those tight wins crept into draws and defeats. 

We crumbled under the pressure at the end. Stuck 3 points behind Inter for a long time with the home game to come, we threw it away. 

Pretty happy with the total points and league finish though, media expectation was 6th, I told the board I would qualify for Europa. And we did it playing a specific style, not necessarily just hunting for success. 

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In direct contrast to my Leverkusen series, where we topped the attacking stats season after season in terms of chances created and crosses completed etc... with Lazio we didn't figure at all in the team stats. Quite happy with that in some regards... proves you need to work for it (crediting some of the Leverkusen tactics!) but also that i'd specifically aimed to curtail crossing games and play a bit more precisely with this Lazio team. It's, eventually, going to be quality over quantity... at the moment perhaps not enough of either. 

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The big success was the EL, but also a decent run in Italian cup losing in the Semi on away goals. 

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A big part of this season was trying to make use of the Mezzala. Savic is my best player also, so not all down to the role, but he had a good year. EL player of the year, Serie A midfielder of the year, Team of the Year, Fans player of the year. 

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His goal return was decent for a CM (I know quite a lot of users have seen big figures from Savic, but this is double figures in a slow tempo, standard mentality team. I want him to keep hitting these figures or improve on them. Alberto the TQ got most assists. 

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Very annoyed about the budget for next year!! I like to be active in the market. I'll give it another year but may keep an eye out for a job in the EPL, Bundesliga or La Liga to chase the $$$ 

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Inter won the league while Juve weren't as strong as expected. 

Inter did cheat though... :D

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@westy8chimp are you still intending to move towards a Libero as you progress through the save? Or did that nEU registration issue just kill the whole thing dead, perhaps. 

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1 minute ago, zlatanera said:

@westy8chimp are you still intending to move towards a Libero as you progress through the save? Or did that nEU registration issue just kill the whole thing dead, perhaps. 

The end game is still something including a few of the Latino roles...including Libero. But 5 years was maybe too optimistic given the Italian budgets (and my massive f up on Arthur lol) 

Just finished season 2 will update tonight. The current tactic, couple of tweaks from how i finished last season is beautiful. Mez quickly becoming my new favorite role. If RPM is all action AP then Mez is all action RPM... The risky passes much more noticeable (maybe the difference in duty helps too like RPM/BBM on attack duty). TQ working brilliantly too. 

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34 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

The end game is still something including a few of the Latino roles...including Libero. But 5 years was maybe too optimistic given the Italian budgets (and my massive f up on Arthur lol) 

Just finished season 2 will update tonight. The current tactic, couple of tweaks from how i finished last season is beautiful. Mez quickly becoming my new favorite role. If RPM is all action AP then Mez is all action RPM... The risky passes much more noticeable (maybe the difference in duty helps too like RPM/BBM on attack duty). TQ working brilliantly too. 

I had a similar f up on my brief Inter Milan save - it said we had a free nEU slot so I signed Rodrigo Dourado to play at the base of my 4141, only he was ineligible so I had this guy just training all season, barely developing, couldn't get him a loan move and I had to rejig my whole lineup to cope without him.

Yeah maybe, depends how good you want your Libero to be. Mine currently isn't much more than a BPD-Co tbh, barely brings the ball out (I'm inferring this from stats, play on Key highlights, I'm assuming if he brought the ball forward then passed it it would count as a dribble) but the results are decent enough (although lagging behind the performances somewhat). Sentimentality holding me back too - Frenkie De Jong is not the ideal candidate but I wanted to develop my own players as is the Ajax way. I imagine if I made it more Libero-centric and put him on Attack duty I'd be subbing him off in every game due to his 13 Stamina. 

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I think with libero ill only use one if i can either buy a bonucci type player or train one. I have no money and poor intake so far so might be a long wait. 

If you dont have a star player at libero it wont bring much to the tactic, compared to the dlp-d it would be replacing

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Fair enough.

Well I've given him "Brings Ball Out Of Defence" so I think if I get rid of the Libero role I'll be using him like Daley Blind in Van Gaal's United back three. Signed Orbelin Pineda who's "Arrives Late In Opposition Area" trait seems to get him more involved past the invisible wall. I think the lone striker systems in the Eredivisie are making him worse - if he sees a striker standing right in front of him, and the two CBs have split wide in acres of space, he's not going to try to beat his man, he's going to spread the play. Whereas if we faced a two striker system more often the buildup might be different. I see him as more of a HB replacement than DLP-D, HB basically does the Libero thing in possession but is a DM out of possession. 

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3 minutes ago, zlatanera said:

see him as more of a HB replacement than DLP-D, HB basically does the Libero thing in possession but is a DM out of possession. 

Yeh agree... I just meant im currently using quite a good dlp, was regista.... Replacing him with a make shift libero will make me worse... But if i can find/develop the right libero i think it could improve the tactic. 

Whats your target in the ajax save... How you getting on? 

Hard to stay focussed with fm19 round the corner... But as i said in the OP, im off work at the moment so using the free time to look at roles (mez, tq, car, lib) that didnt focus in my usual styles. Thats keeping me interested for a few more weeks i hope :D

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8 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

Yeh agree... I just meant im currently using quite a good dlp, was regista.... Replacing him with a make shift libero will make me worse... But if i can find/develop the right libero i think it could improve the tactic. 

Whats your target in the ajax save... How you getting on? 

Hard to stay focussed with fm19 round the corner... But as i said in the OP, im off work at the moment so using the free time to look at roles (mez, tq, car, lib) that didnt focus in my usual styles. Thats keeping me interested for a few more weeks i hope :D

No specific target in terms of trophies, more philosophies - develop youth, bring back former academy products as tutors (currently got Huntelaar and Nigel De Jong on the books, Daley Blind coming in with United paying his wages for 6 months, and targeting Wesley Sneijder in the summer), maybe try to win Europa this season before I sell anyone. I want Frenkie De Jong to become a great Libero too - after 20 starts in the position he's accomplished, got Brings Ball Out Of Defence and Runs With Ball Through Centre to try encourage him to step up, but his Dictates Tempo and Tries Killer Balls Often traits are making him far too keen to pass the ball out early on. I'd like to start a tradition of selling players in the 24-26 age range as well, rather than 18 as seems to be the case - get them to their peak, but also don't hold them back forever. Even Cruyff left, after all.

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Sounds like a decent Libero. My save was very close to being Ajax, but i did quite a lengthy Ajax save on FM17 whereas i rarely venture into Serie A.

I suppose De Ligt got unsettled early on? Did you keep hold of Kluivert, Ziyech, Donny Van Beek, Dolberg? 

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He's coming along quite nicely, the defensive attributes are awful but his intelligence leads him to be quite good at making interceptions, and he barely fouls when he does tackle.

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His backup probably has a better spread of attributes for the role, but this surprisingly good article on The Ringer was my main inspiration behind ditching my Milan save, so Frenkie will be first choice for as long as he's here. 

I got De Ligt tutored quickly by Veltman before he got too high of a reputation, he's still here on £9k / week until 2021. Got all the main guys tutored apart from Dolberg who I couldn't find a better personality for. The only first team outgoings have been Amine Younes to Leverkusen first season (after failing to sell him I put him in the team, he played brilliantly then demanded a move on deadline day) and then Viergever and Tagliafico in summer 2018 to Sporting and Benfica respectively, and neither of them kicked off, I just negotiated until I got a deal I was happy with then wished them bon voyage. I think Veltman's talking down capabilities are a bit OP though, he very rarely fails, and when he does I usually just tell someone they're influential and they pipe down. That's why I said I'll still let them go when they're 26 - if I keep them that long and we don't win any European trophies it'll be entirely my fault tactically, unless I get some catastrophic injuries. Or the luck that I had losing 5-1 to Juventus with 3 shots hitting the woodwork and Higuain lobbing Onana from 30 yards. 

I had a decent Ajax save on FM17 as well, used Ozil's Cruyff Diamond tactic and managed to keep hold of people - Rivaldo Coetzee was probably my favourite player of the save though. Deleted it for storage space both on my pc and in the steam cloud (actually removed all my old FM saves from the steam cloud and put them on backup drives, only keeping the really big ones). 

 

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4 minutes ago, zlatanera said:

think Veltman's talking down capabilities are a bit OP though, he very rarely fails, and when he does I usually just tell someone they're influential and they pipe down

Yeh i find it doesnt depend on the player like it should... Just the longevity in the role or at the club. 

As for the manager side of calming them down, because im more interested in building the right squad (includjng keeping the right players) for my tactics...i put my man management and discipline etc to 20. So like you, if my captaim fails... I seldom fail. Ive managed to keep de vrij, anderson, savic, immobile because of that. But similarly im trying to add some realism by accepting the bigger offers. Just sold wallace for 28m upfront and up to 40m, i could easily have kept him. If anyone bids 50m for de vrij or immobile i will sell. But not savic as he is the key man and working well as mezalla. 

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Yeah I've got them quite high - 14 Disc and 18 MM - but it does seem OP. Especially with Veltman who I think you're right, its about the length of time, his in-game biography says he's been at the club since 2001 and he's been captain for the entirety of this save so far.

I'd be more inclined to accept offers for players who didn't come through the youth ranks - so I'd let Dolberg go before I let De Ligt go, for example. De Jong exempted as long as I'm using a Libero. I may be slightly skewed in what I see as acceptable bids though - in another save I had Dolberg getting bids of up to £150 million with add-ons after three straight seasons of hitting 20 goals, so when people were offering up to £60m (a lot in clauses though) I was laughing them away. But generally I try to get twice value, as their low wages meaning they're undervalued. 

EDIT: I've had something approaching your Arthur moment - signed two hot prospect South Africans from Mamelodi Sundowns, thinking once I tutored away their poor personalities they'd be a great investment, but they join in August 2019 and January 2021 respectively, because I forgot about the rules regarding non-EU under-18s.

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5 minutes ago, zlatanera said:

: I've had something approaching your Arthur moment - signed two hot prospect South Africans from Mamelodi Sundowns, thinking once I tutored away their poor personalities they'd be a great investment, but they join in August 2019 and January 2021 respectively, because I forgot about the rules regarding non-EU under-18s.

:D i just sold arthur so, one year no appearances... Try to forget the sour relationship just about broke even on him.

Now im trying to get harry maguire over the line (england are out of EU, but ive done my best to make sure i have an EU spot... Costing me £31.5m so i hope he is eligable if i sign him!!) he has the skills to be a Libero

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35 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

:D i just sold arthur so, one year no appearances... Try to forget the sour relationship just about broke even on him.

Now im trying to get harry maguire over the line (england are out of EU, but ive done my best to make sure i have an EU spot... Costing me £31.5m so i hope he is eligable if i sign him!!) he has the skills to be a Libero

Well as long as you didn't make a loss...yeah Maguire is about the only defender I can think of that would be able to do the role, most of them don't have enough Dribbling but he's got higher than either of the midfielders I'm using for the role. You might be one who considers it cheating but I would just save on the transfer confirmation screen, then if he isn't eligible you could just go back and get someone else.

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Season 2 

Transfer window went belly up. I'm unfamiliar with Serie A rules and was probably playing a bit rushed. The budget was £4m so I had to sell to buy... I did, then I blew the budget on Arthur (who joined me twice in Leverkusen series, so a player I've utilised before in a number of positions)… very happy with that addition. Until registration windows come and go, and at each turn I cannot register him because he is ineligible due to no open non-EU slots. So I offload two key players that are non-EU Bastos sold and Murisic loaned out... and still I cant register Arthur... so im making things really difficult.

Then to finish it off, to replace Bastos I loaned Paulista who also couldn't be registerd. So I went into the season with just 2 CB, Wallace and De Vrij. I had to dig into the reserves and find Felipe (recovering from a fractured skull!) to thicken the ranks some explanation for my European form... to follow

I relied heavily on the loan market to supplement my squad. 

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Early form was ok, we weren't losing but games were still too close for my liking and some draws. A defeat at home to Fenerbache was the final straw, prompting another tactical tweak. 

Instead of low tempo I switched to higher (but curtailed slightly with work ball into box) and I brought the old faithful, winger role, back into play. 

A switch between fullbacks as to who was IWB also. With RB changing to FB-s to supplement the attacking right side, rather than cover for the Mez. My LB switched to IWB both to make up the numbers in midfield, but also suited the personnel Lulic and Santon are attacking right footed FB perfect for the role. 

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The changes really paid off seeing us win by much bigger margins and maintain long runs of good form. 

In fact leading us all the way to the title with just 2 defeats. Goals scored was far higher than last season, resulting in an extra 10 pts. 

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Also reflected in our presence in the team and individual stats

Topping the possession and chance creation... with a healthy conversion rate too 

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and the players also featured... Savic was the best player in the division for rating, distance covered, key passes

With my TQ, Anderson, creating the most chances in the league and as a result getting the most assists. Immobile top scorer and DLP Di Gennaro with best passing accuracy. 

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Euro form was terrible. Definitely the worst I've ever done. And Semi final again in the Italian cup this time soundly beaten. I didn't have as many injuries this year so in the league I didn't vary much from my first 11 - which meant my B team were not match sharp and not particularly high in quality either. Still I expected to come 3rd in group at least. 

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Some awards for the main men - Anderson and Savic, both in team of the year as well

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Here's the goal, assist, avg rating distribution... 

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The budget for next year, again insulting, just £4m  :( 

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The key game to swing the title was against sole challenger Juve. Savic really shone - two great passes that deserved more from Immobile

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And then a screamer to win it, that the fans voted goal of the year 

 

On a personal note, I know the above strike is a worldy, but I would like to see some team goals - when there are significant number of passes and it's a nice move, reflected more in goal of the month/season. 

So here is my favorite of the year, scored by IWB(a) Lulic. Great build up at the back culminating in Arsenal level of non-selfishness in the box 

DLP->IWB->BBM->DLP->MEZ->IWB (dribble) ->TQ->IF->TQ->IWB->GOALLLL

 

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The Mezzala 

Alongside the TQ, man of the season again is Savic the Mezzala with 12 goals, 10 assists in the League from central midfield. Clocking in goal of the season and the highest average rating. 

Anderson quite often put the cherry on the top with the final pass or shot registering 13 goals and 21 assists in the league... but it was the industry and craft of Savic that won us the league. 

I wont show the full works, because taking the videos is a ballache (massively needs to be a smoother process, don't know if that's an SI thing or YouTube or still down to hardware... i've figured out you have to exit the game and reload frequently when uploading videos otherwise the intros get longer (repeated SI logo) and the actual footage gets shorter. It still frequently crashes as well, so if you are using the upload, I tend to exit the match, save game, then go back to the match and do the review and upload so if it crashes you don't lose any progress. 

Some of his goals, due to the nature of his height and strength are from set plays... a couple of pens... some of his assists I didn't capture... and in terms of his general work (as shown in previous post the two key passes vs Juve) there is too much to bother - 88 key passes and untold number of good movement, team work etc.

So here's a small collection of moments

Generally lots of late runs and overloads in the box, risky through balls over the top (to AF) or into channel (for TQ)

Goals

 

 

 

 

 

Assists

 

 

 

 

 

 

Assist of the assist

 

 

 

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Season 3

Virtually the same as season 2, so i'll finish this thread in brevity as a job incomplete mission failed! 

We won the league, at a canter. But I failed to progress the tactic. With low budget I had to sell to buy and spent my budget on big head Maguire. Thinking with his technical ability he could become a Libero, but this man trains like an old dog. Failed every PPM I attempted and after a whole season training as Libero, still isn't even remotely comfortable in the row. 

On top of this after winning the league again I still only got a budget of £4m, with terrible intakes in both seasons I got the feeling this was going to require a longer project to succeed than I was willing to commit to. 

On the plus side, as shown in some of the videos, the football was really good - some lovely patient build up goals with 20+ passes to goal.. and some real cut and thrust goals when players like Reg/Mez/TQ decided to turn the heat up and play an incisive ball. 

Savic as Mezzala was superb and if I played 10-15 seasons i'm sure he could knock up Lampard-esque figures of 200+ goals. 

T window was pretty much to sure up the defence having sold Bastos last year and Wallace early in this window. 

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Just one defeat in the league and that was a silly early loss at home to Atlanta! 

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Europe and cup same as last season, out in the group stage of CL (tho we did qualify for Euro and went a couple of rounds before losing 4-1 to Chelsea over two legs), lost to Juve in the semi of Italian cup again. 

Also similar in terms of team and player stats

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We swept the board in terms of player awards

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The goal and assist spread was excellent for the attacking quad... Immobile 37 in 36 lg games... Anderson and Savic with pretty injury free seasons improved their numbers, Kluivert with 17 assists was handy and Alberto chips in off the bench and in Europe. 

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The job is left incomplete as Dortmund came knocking, and offered some what better budget than the poultry £4m Lazio offered. 

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So I jump straight into one of my hectic windows - trigger happy without a great deal of thought, I end up with several thousand central midfielders and no full backs. 

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So I went with a very slow possession based, midfield heavy tactic - it's a rubbish tactic - I know it's not got the right role or duty distribution and the instructions are horrendous. I just messing around with high possession stats... as someone else started a thread recently... can you win by doing absolutely nothing with the ball? 

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Which is a bit of a flop so far, but will probably do enough to get top 3 - Dortmund had finished 6th the previous year. And then I can rethink and get some fullbacks in next season and come up with a new plan. 

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