knap Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 FM 18.3.4 Tested with MU in FMT no OIs FM18.3.4ARGUS WHITE EUROPE3421IFP105.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warszawa Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 deeply honored, will test it soon;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca72 Posted August 19, 2018 Share Posted August 19, 2018 Wow, good work both of you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffon13 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Did a test at AC Milan (holiday) and it looked really promising. Will upload results in the evening when I come back from work. And just to mention two things for the test and the tactic: 1. Given the fact it's a holiday test, a human player should perform much better with the tactic and more squad management and 2. The one sole reason I decided to test the tactc (and maybe use it later) is it's not the 3-4-3 typical for this year's edition. The 3 strikers formations are unrealistic and feel like a cheat (especially when paired with a 3 man defense). This one is a real 3-4-3 and I love the way it uses IF's. Thanks for the tactic and I'll give you feedback at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djels Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Any player stat screen shots? What player is most creative? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffon13 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Djels said: Any player stat screen shots? What player is most creative? The left IF (Calhanoglu in my test) has the most assists, but he's not scoring too much. The right one (Suso) scores a lot and assists, but not as much as the left. The Striker (Higuain) also creates a lot of chances, the mezzala and BBM as well do create quite a few chances. Will upload screens tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy2006 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Hi, I do have an amazing team but first match with this tactic was unbelievable the best result I've ever had in a season that I can remember. I was using the other argus tactic and its working well for me, won quite a few trophies with it including the world cup with France but I think this new Argus tactic looks to have topped that giving this result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 20, 2018 Author Share Posted August 20, 2018 I am hoping MR L will run a Top team test next year, as would be interesting to see if 343 IF could out perform a 343. May depend on squad but this is the MU Test. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffon13 Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 ! NOTE ! - This is a holiday test. With a proper human management of the squad the tactic can and should perform better. I've chosen the "Use current team selection whenever possible" option in the holiday window, which means that the players chosen have played every possible game no matter the fatigue! Many of them were unhappy through the course of the season because they lacked first team football, which left the dressing room atmosphere at Average during most of the season. Again - with proper management this shouldn't be a problem. So 58 games overall, 48 wins, 7 draws, 3 losses and 142:40 goal difference. ALL CUPS WON! Knap, this has to be your masterpiece :'-) If anyone wants any other information, I'll gladly screenshot and show you guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanaclue Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 Early doors yet but working really well with Middlesbrough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmste Posted August 20, 2018 Share Posted August 20, 2018 7 hours ago, buffon13 said: ! NOTE ! - This is a holiday test. With a proper human management of the squad the tactic can and should perform better. I've chosen the "Use current team selection whenever possible" option in the holiday window, which means that the players chosen have played every possible game no matter the fatigue! Many of them were unhappy through the course of the season because they lacked first team football, which left the dressing room atmosphere at Average during most of the season. Again - with proper management this shouldn't be a problem. So 58 games overall, 48 wins, 7 draws, 3 losses and 142:40 goal difference. ALL CUPS WON! Knap, this has to be your masterpiece :'-) If anyone wants any other information, I'll gladly screenshot and show you guys. what training you do mate? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffon13 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 3 hours ago, fmste said: what training you do mate? I left the training to Match tactics + Balanced, throughout the entire test. I wonder what Knap has to say about training? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanaclue Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 I am finding that the team gets a lot of yellows and a few red cards though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffon13 Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 They do, especially more aggressive players. Kessie in my save received many cards. I can't screenshot it now, but Milan received 120 yellows, whereas the second worst team had 103. Reds were not as much though - 9 for the whole season (one red card in every 6.44 games), which is bearable. We were not even the worst team in terms of reds in the league. My two lost games in the league for the season were due to red cards. Maybe if I managed those games (I remind that this is a Holiday save) I could've made the right changes and the right subs to deal with the situation. So it's not that big of a deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 On assumption that you warn and fine players for reds, you can manage these during game by reducing hard tackle for player after a yellow or sub the player. Testing shows a benefit for hard tackle (win ball back as early as possible) and not a worthwhile reduction in cards. Also players have hidden dirtiness attribute. There are a few no hard tackle tactics I think BLUE MATTER and MIDSOMER. With a player sent off I often switch to a SUS tactic even early in a game and that will usually get a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanaclue Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 5 hours ago, knap said: On assumption that you warn and fine players for reds, you can manage these during game by reducing hard tackle for player after a yellow or sub the player. Testing shows a benefit for hard tackle (win ball back as early as possible) and not a worthwhile reduction in cards. Also players have hidden dirtiness attribute. There are a few no hard tackle tactics I think BLUE MATTER and MIDSOMER. With a player sent off I often switch to a SUS tactic even early in a game and that will usually get a result. the tactic has hard tackling for the whole team, but i reduce the tackling level (for the player) direct after the yellow card in match. What is a SUS tactic? - I mean what is a good SUS tactic for this formation ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 Just the player but you can game manage. If 3-0 up but many cards then you could reduce tackling for whole team. I never bother as if there is a red then I just use a SUS tactic, and often a player can get 2 yellows in 2 mins, so y0u don't have time to pause game. This is a good formation for a SUS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanaclue Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 30 minutes ago, knap said: Just the player but you can game manage. If 3-0 up but many cards then you could reduce tackling for whole team. I never bother as if there is a red then I just use a SUS tactic, and often a player can get 2 yellows in 2 mins, so y0u don't have time to pause game. This is a good formation for a SUS. SUS meaning changing to contain and switching the WBs from attack to defence or would you drop them back into a 5 defence line ? Thankyou by the way for the advice . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 21, 2018 Author Share Posted August 21, 2018 You can do either. A 5 man defence may be useful if the AI use 3 strikers. If they use 4231 then the ARGUS 451 SUS may be a good option so the DM can mark their AM. Using SUS tactics is very much dependent upon what is happening during that specific match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanaclue Posted August 21, 2018 Share Posted August 21, 2018 just a wee update on my Boro career Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanaclue Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Injuries due to the high intensity of the tactic is - well to say the least, a pain in the arse. I have training on low so the workload is light, individual training in the roles/positions that I want the players in. I am playing FMT so can't really improve the medical staff that much (existing guy has 17 in Physio). Sitting 2nd after 20 games, solid but not running away with league at all - very realistic actually in that aspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 I don't worry too much about injuries as allows natural rotation. BLUE MATTER is lower intensity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmmf91 Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 Knap, let me ask you something. I'm gonna start a save with Leeds, which 3 tactics would you recommend me while i'm in the Championship and 3 for when i eventually reach the PL? Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 24, 2018 Author Share Posted August 24, 2018 I tend to use a formations that uses the best players in right positions(not roles) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmmf91 Posted August 25, 2018 Share Posted August 25, 2018 21 hours ago, knap said: I tend to use a formations that uses the best players in right positions(not roles) Any recommendations for a team like that /Leeds/Fulham/Villa) once it reaches the Prem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 Overview of Tactic List from testing TOTAL SUB TOP UNDERDOG ARGUS FM 18.2.2 P102 P385 P206 P179 PILGRIMAGE FM 18.3.3 LPOOL P104 P380 P226 P154 WOF FM 18.3.3 P101 Flexible P381 P213 P168 WOF FM 18.3.3 LPOOL P100 ALL CUPS P365 P196 P169 PILGRIMAGE Fluid LPOOL P101 P367 P201 P166 PILGRIMAGE FM 18.2 P105 P357 P218 P139 ARGUS VOL 4 FM18.3.3 Structured P101 ALL CUPS P363 P220 P143 BLUE MATTER FM 18.3.3 P105 P356 P207 P149 GOODBYE FM 18.3 VOL 7 Very Fluid P349 P208 P141 GOODBYE 3421 P324 P205 P119 MIDSOMER 442 P103 (FLAT TEST) P349 P199 P150 MIDSOMER 442 VOL MEZ P342 P196 P146 MIDSOMER 343 VOL MEZ P337 P195 P142 WOF 2323 FM 18 P104 P335 P187 P148 BLUE MATTER FM 18.3 VOL 4 P102 352 P335 P206 P129 ASH 343 19,3.3 LPOOLP99 Highly Structured P333 P205 P128 ARGUS 3430 P331 P192 P139 VOLANTE BWM FM 18.3 P101 P326 P191 P135 MM 442 VOLANTE P103 P323 P187 P136 WOF 3412 P325 P198 P127 WOF 2233 P102HS FM 18.2 P311 P194 P117 BLUE MATTER VOL 4 P100 4123 FM 18.2.1 P310 P179 -P131 MMVOLANTEANCHOR 442 P302 P165 P127 ARGUS 352 18.2,2 P101 P306 P169 P137 BLUE MATTER 433 18.3 P295 P158 P137 BLUE MATTER VOL 4 4213 VOLANTE 18.3 P289 P184 P105 PILGRIMAGE 3511 18.2.2 P102 P297 P181 P116 PILGRIMAGE 451 MUP101 18.3.3 P293 P169 P124 MIDSOMER WIDE DIAMOND 18.3 P287 P175 P112 RAMBLE ON ASYMMETRIC18,3 P100 P287 P169 P118 RAW SIENNA 4231 18,2,2 P272 P147 P125 Most of the newer tactics have not been tested, but in general 3 fwds are better than 2 and 2 better than 1. Newly promoted to PL would look to best underdog tactics, but with all testing, even over 180 games, will be subject to a margin of error, The underdog test is with a team with CA 120 and sub CA 145 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 25, 2018 Author Share Posted August 25, 2018 Also there is no reason not to mix tactics for home away or difficult games. For very difficult games could also consider using a SUS tactic. Also many use MIDSOMER on Counter, so different mentalities can be used if it improves results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmmf91 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 23 hours ago, knap said: Also there is no reason not to mix tactics for home away or difficult games. For very difficult games could also consider using a SUS tactic. Also many use MIDSOMER on Counter, so different mentalities can be used if it improves results. Many thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazey Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 Is there any chance you can screenshot player instructions cause I am on touch hope someone can really wanna try this tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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havanaclue Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 According to the FM Brotherhood https://fmbrotherhood.com/the-best-fm18-tactics-tested-football-manager-tactics/, they list one of your tactics as being really good, the “Another Knaps` Target Man FM Tactic” (3-2-2-1-2). When I download it seems to be a tactic from FM17, this to be exact - FM17.3.1GOODBYEKnap3412ARSENALP100TMP100. Does that still work because I couldn't find it anywhere in the forum for FM18 My Boro save is struggling in the Premiership, hard to get good players and every game is a struggle to watch I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 26, 2018 Author Share Posted August 26, 2018 Have you tried ARGUS 343? FM 16 and FM 17 tactics can still work but usually update them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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havanaclue Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 11 minutes ago, knap said: Have you tried ARGUS 343? FM 16 and FM 17 tactics can still work but usually update them I'm going to try ARGUS 343 from start again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilker136 Posted August 26, 2018 Share Posted August 26, 2018 I started with Athletic. As the player pool is very limited, I only have one real striker: Aduriz. Therefore I tend to choose a tactic with one striker eventhough Knap claims 3 fw tactics are best. I initially used Dark side of the moon 4-2-3-1 as the personels suits most. The season started well. But after conceding 3 goals in consecutive games I switched to this tactic following Las Palmas game, thinking that 3 defenders can keep the defense tight but no. I cant defend! My defenders are too slow and they give so many space to oppenent fws and the opponent find so many 1-on-1 opportunity. Which tactic do you suggest to use for better defense? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted August 26, 2018 Author Share Posted August 26, 2018 Just watching Chelsea with a front 3 of Hazard Morate and Pedro, With positions you can use aml st amr. If not a 343 could try a 442 like Volant Anchor, MIDSOMER P103 on counter or a strikerless tactic. Somebody has won the PL with Burnley using ASH 343 which is a bit more defensive being highly Structured.. Also last years MIDSOMER 442 is Highly structured and set on counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_head Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 If I have a player sent off, which player I change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 4, 2018 Author Share Posted September 4, 2018 With that type of formation, I would either go to a flat back 4 to protect wings or go 3411 using a AM. If late in game and winning I would go SUS if not I would probably use AM. and keep attacking. Also depends who is on bench for subs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenevo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I have to say that I absolutely love this tactic. I tested it out properly with Man Utd, playing the game as I would a proper one and we absolutely smashed it. I then decided to try and tweak the tactic and set up a new game where I would go on holiday, we ended up scoring 136 goals in the league with it, although admittedly it was slightly more leaky at the back than the original and more prone to losing in away games. I've started a proper game, this time as West Ham United and I plan to use the original tactic in away games and my tweaked tactic in home games. My first match in the league was against Manchester City and I actually went with the original in the first half considering how good Man City are and we went into half time at 1-1, so I took the risk and switched up to my tweaked tactic and we obliterated them 5 - 1! This is the tweaked tactic... I tried it with the wing backs further forward like in the original, but it leaks goals doing that, so it's much better defensively like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenevo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 Amazing start to the season! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenevo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I think I've broken the game... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 If you upload tactic I will have a look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenevo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 1 hour ago, knap said: If you upload tactic I will have a look. FM18.3.4ARGUS 4-4-2 mikenevo.fmf I recommend only using it for home games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 Home and Away tactics (Hard Easy games) is a good idea, and also changing during a game if not going as planned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 10, 2018 Author Share Posted September 10, 2018 Very good Hoe record Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenevo Posted September 10, 2018 Share Posted September 10, 2018 I don't think I will win the premier league, but I'm almost certain I'll get top 4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenevo Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 Finally finished my season, won the Premier League with 1 game to go, 132 goals score, 55 against. To be honest though, if this was any other season we probably would finish second because the other teams all did pretty bad, Chelsea 2nd with 80 points and Man Utd 3rd with 78 points. Carabao cup we lost in 4th round to Spurs FA Cup we lost in semi final to Man Utd I bought a striker called Patrick Cutrone who was an absolute beast! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matias82 Posted September 14, 2018 Share Posted September 14, 2018 2 hours ago, mikenevo said: Finally finished my season, won the Premier League with 1 game to go, 132 goals score, 55 against. To be honest though, if this was any other season we probably would finish second because the other teams all did pretty bad, Chelsea 2nd with 80 points and Man Utd 3rd with 78 points. Carabao cup we lost in 4th round to Spurs FA Cup we lost in semi final to Man Utd I bought a striker called Patrick Cutrone who was an absolute beast! Hi, what tactic do you use when you are away? do you use any OI? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikenevo Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 I use the one in this thread, but sometimes I use the one I modified, depends on the opponent really. I don't use OI's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulinho1987 Posted September 15, 2018 Share Posted September 15, 2018 18.3.4? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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