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I love it! That must be an absolute nightmare to play against, if you are trying to break it down. Commit too many people forward and bam, counter.

What happens when you play against a team that is not committing a lot of people forward? Do you still counter as effectively against, for example, a team with 4-1 at the back and no attacking roles in defence? 

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It's not as effective against super defensive teams, but even with a slow build one of the offensive 5 will eventually break through (usually a winger in this case due to their pace), allowing the others to give chase. The formation its up against doesn't seem to make too much difference, but parking-the-bus sides are always harder to break down.

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Do you use any other individual instructions, like distribution instructions for the goalkeeper? Also what striker role did you go with in your first season?

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My keeper distributes to the fullbacks, but it's only him and the wingers with individual instructions.

I pretty much only use defensive forwards these days. They seem to stay more central and work harder with the ball. Finished first in the league during season one rotating silmani and Gayle in the role.

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That's definitely not the Mentality I expected to see! Expected either Defensive or Counter. Looking at the duties, I'm assuming you're less reliant on ME triggered counters? Did you originally try the other Mentalities?

I like out of the box thinking, so :thup: for the thread.

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Loving this as i am trying to replicate real madrid’s 4141 against bayern in last season’s champions league with ronaldo upfront alone in a counter sort of arrangement. Will play around with what you have here. Good tactic and nice results👍

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That's actually pretty hilarious. If nothing else I bet it would work as a great tactic for grinding out a result when the AI starts throwing guys forward at the end of a match.

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That's a curious tactic and I'm intrigued by your choice of a much higher defensive line for a counter attacking  style. I believe that you dont get ME triggered counters?

 

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First full season results:

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3 of the losses and 6 of the conceded goals came in the last 5 games where I was resting players for Champions League matches (and my squad is woefully thin).

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There is, however, one formation this really struggles against, which is this:

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On 05/08/2018 at 20:00, Ackter said:

How cool do the links between the central 4 look?)

:D

I came up with this idea in my Leverkusen strikerless season but didnt use it. Bit bored of that save now and with new prem season underway this weekend im thinking of a quick fun new save to try it out on. Need a stacked midfield or budget to play with... Was thinkin Everton, Saints or Palace. 

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Wonder if the two svs and 3 cms will create 5 man dynamic links :cool:

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5 hours ago, westy8chimp said:

:D

I came up with this idea in my Leverkusen strikerless season but didnt use it. Bit bored of that save now and with new prem season underway this weekend im thinking of a quick fun new save to try it out on. Need a stacked midfield or budget to play with... Was thinkin Everton, Saints or Palace. 

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Wonder if the two svs and 3 cms will create 5 man dynamic links :cool:

This is the stuff of my hipster dreams. Libero, 2 Segundo Volantes AND 2 Mezzalas. WOWZA.

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20 hours ago, Ackter said:

There is, however, one formation this really struggles against, which is this:

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How does it struggle? Can't score? Leaky? Both?

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5 minutes ago, Joey Numbaz said:

This is the stuff of my hipster dreams. Libero, 2 Segundo Volantes AND 2 Mezzalas. WOWZA.

Spent all day at work deciding which team to be... Annoying when nearly all teams have new wingers and strikers that wont fit the tactic and cant be sold till jan or next season... Everton have tosun, walcott and probably a few others plus bolassie injured... Soton have carrilo and boufal and watfords captain is deeney... Floggin him would cause all kinds of upset

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10 minutes ago, Joey Numbaz said:

How does it struggle? Can't score? Leaky? Both?

Just a string of 0-1 losses or 1-1 draws.

Bloody Crystal Palace.

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9 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

Spent all day at work deciding which team to be... Annoying when nearly all teams have new wingers and strikers that wont fit the tactic and cant be sold till jan or next season... Everton have tosun, walcott and probably a few others plus bolassie injured... Soton have carrilo and boufal and watfords captain is deeney... Floggin him would cause all kinds of upset

Spurs is where you want to be. Retrain Kane to SV.

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Just now, Ackter said:

Spurs is where you want to be. Retrain Kane to SV.

Wanted to be a bit lower rep... Otherwise im facing defensive teams more often than not. As your rep is increasing you finding it tougher? 

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Not really. I switch from Standard to Control and it seems to have sorted out any problems against the more defensive teams.

The problem is when I forget to switch it back for the big teams because then they just counter me back :D

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Newcastle aren't a bad lower rep team tbh. You can sell the less needed players really easily in order to bring in the players you need, and Ritchie is just an absurdly good player who you can retrain to play anywhere (he's left back for me).

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Re newc... Cant stomach the grim kit tho! 

I need to recheck squads... Maybe bournemouth as they only have a few strikers... Kings pace probably be handy as a mez or wb. 

Otherwise spurs a good shout with plenty of players that are immediately perfect for the role. 

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Pretty amazing formation, nice work!

Have you tried making the FBs have a WB (A) role and the W(A)'s a IW (A) role? That way you can still have width and attacking presence, at present it feels like the FBs are a little wasted staying back.

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I wonder if it makes sense to play with  Pass Into Space? I believe it makes total sense with strikerless formation, since the front players are deep and you have space to attack?

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@Ackter and @westy8chimp - the tactic here was awful and got me the sack mid-holiday but the links here were on their way to looking incredible:

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Imagine all those were bright green :eek: Just unfortunate that the tactic, as I had it, was absolutely useless.

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15 minutes ago, Chevie said:

@Ackter and @westy8chimp - the tactic here was awful and got me the sack mid-holiday but the links here were on their way to looking incredible:

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Imagine all those were bright green :eek: Just unfortunate that the tactic, as I had it, was absolutely useless.

Nice, saves me the hassle of finding out 

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How do you deal with balls over the top? I'm trying it out with Sutton and against Lincoln and Danny Cowleys 442 Direct, we drew 2-2, both goals soaring long balls that they played into the box. Would this tactic still work with a deeper line or would that negate the counter-attacks because they wouldn't get the ball as high up the pitch?

 

EDIT: Spoke incorrectly, we won 3-2. Still, both goals from long balls. Which is concerning considering I'm playing in Long Ball City here in the National League.

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1 hour ago, BasedDarrenMoore said:

How do you deal with balls over the top? I'm trying it out with Sutton and against Lincoln and Danny Cowleys 442 Direct, we drew 2-2, both goals soaring long balls that they played into the box. Would this tactic still work with a deeper line or would that negate the counter-attacks because they wouldn't get the ball as high up the pitch?

 

EDIT: Spoke incorrectly, we won 3-2. Still, both goals from long balls. Which is concerning considering I'm playing in Long Ball City here in the National League.

I've experimented with it in Ligue 2, so my players don't have ideal attributes either.  It can still work with slightly higher or standard defensive line because of the way that the ME triggers counters.  But, I've also tweaked my formation into a 4-2-2-2-0 with two DM's and two shadow strikers since my players don't have quite enough acceleration to get past their back line consistently. 

In 4 games using it, I've won 3 and drawn 1, but in the last match I went down early against a team that played deep so I switched back to my standard tactic and won 2-1 in the end.  It's tough to play this way against teams that sit deep, but even tougher when you are in the lower leagues and really lack the right players.  Always enjoy strikerless though so it's been a nice challenge so far.

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@Ackter Would you consider making this tactic available for download? Would this would be useful in a league where lots of teams play very offensive, like in The Netherlands? So if you ain't managing a top 5 team (Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, AZ, or Vitesse), then you could win the league by exploiting all the space when opponents attack.

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On 17/09/2018 at 15:03, Jorgen said:

@Ackter Would you consider making this tactic available for download? Would this would be useful in a league where lots of teams play very offensive, like in The Netherlands? So if you ain't managing a top 5 team (Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, AZ, or Vitesse), then you could win the league by exploiting all the space when opponents attack.

You can set it up from the opening post, it has 3 team instructions and only two of the positions have PIs.  

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