Ackter Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Main setup: (How cool do the links between the central 4 look?) Individual instructions: ML/Rs Strategy As you can see, this is a super compact 451 based almost entirely around overly aggressive counter attacks. Once the team gets the ball it's fed to one of the "offensive" midfield 5. The other four then bomb forward to support and provide options. The attacks can start and end with any of the offensive 5 so if one avenue isn't working there's another four to go. The goals are spread pretty evenly throughout those five positions, with a couple of goals coming from set pieces as well. If you want high scoring defenders, you're not going to get any here. The "Play Out of Defence" instruction is there so they distribute cleanly to the attacking half of the team whenever possible. My first season was a variation of this, except with an actual striker, but felt the counter movements could be better and more exciting to watch, so here it is. Here's the first 6 months of my season using this formation: Everything here is based heavily on the discussions and theories of @Cleon and @Rashidi . Questions, comments, criticisms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporadicsmiles Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 I love it! That must be an absolute nightmare to play against, if you are trying to break it down. Commit too many people forward and bam, counter. What happens when you play against a team that is not committing a lot of people forward? Do you still counter as effectively against, for example, a team with 4-1 at the back and no attacking roles in defence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 5, 2018 Author Share Posted August 5, 2018 It's not as effective against super defensive teams, but even with a slow build one of the offensive 5 will eventually break through (usually a winger in this case due to their pace), allowing the others to give chase. The formation its up against doesn't seem to make too much difference, but parking-the-bus sides are always harder to break down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AidanH96 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Do you use any other individual instructions, like distribution instructions for the goalkeeper? Also what striker role did you go with in your first season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 6, 2018 Author Share Posted August 6, 2018 My keeper distributes to the fullbacks, but it's only him and the wingers with individual instructions. I pretty much only use defensive forwards these days. They seem to stay more central and work harder with the ball. Finished first in the league during season one rotating silmani and Gayle in the role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HUNT3R Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 That's definitely not the Mentality I expected to see! Expected either Defensive or Counter. Looking at the duties, I'm assuming you're less reliant on ME triggered counters? Did you originally try the other Mentalities? I like out of the box thinking, so for the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jyuan83 Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Loving this as i am trying to replicate real madrid’s 4141 against bayern in last season’s champions league with ronaldo upfront alone in a counter sort of arrangement. Will play around with what you have here. Good tactic and nice results👍 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle_Sam Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 That's actually pretty hilarious. If nothing else I bet it would work as a great tactic for grinding out a result when the AI starts throwing guys forward at the end of a match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikcheck Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 That's a curious tactic and I'm intrigued by your choice of a much higher defensive line for a counter attacking style. I believe that you dont get ME triggered counters? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NabsKebabs Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 that's gotta be the coolest system I've seen on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 First full season results: 3 of the losses and 6 of the conceded goals came in the last 5 games where I was resting players for Champions League matches (and my squad is woefully thin). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 There is, however, one formation this really struggles against, which is this: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.Extinction Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 this is really strange tactics, but have little time to try whit FC United of Manchester Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy8chimp Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 On 05/08/2018 at 20:00, Ackter said: How cool do the links between the central 4 look?) I came up with this idea in my Leverkusen strikerless season but didnt use it. Bit bored of that save now and with new prem season underway this weekend im thinking of a quick fun new save to try it out on. Need a stacked midfield or budget to play with... Was thinkin Everton, Saints or Palace. Wonder if the two svs and 3 cms will create 5 man dynamic links Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Do it, I wanna see the lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Numbaz Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 hours ago, westy8chimp said: I came up with this idea in my Leverkusen strikerless season but didnt use it. Bit bored of that save now and with new prem season underway this weekend im thinking of a quick fun new save to try it out on. Need a stacked midfield or budget to play with... Was thinkin Everton, Saints or Palace. Wonder if the two svs and 3 cms will create 5 man dynamic links This is the stuff of my hipster dreams. Libero, 2 Segundo Volantes AND 2 Mezzalas. WOWZA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Numbaz Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 20 hours ago, Ackter said: There is, however, one formation this really struggles against, which is this: How does it struggle? Can't score? Leaky? Both? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy8chimp Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Joey Numbaz said: This is the stuff of my hipster dreams. Libero, 2 Segundo Volantes AND 2 Mezzalas. WOWZA. Spent all day at work deciding which team to be... Annoying when nearly all teams have new wingers and strikers that wont fit the tactic and cant be sold till jan or next season... Everton have tosun, walcott and probably a few others plus bolassie injured... Soton have carrilo and boufal and watfords captain is deeney... Floggin him would cause all kinds of upset Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Joey Numbaz said: How does it struggle? Can't score? Leaky? Both? Just a string of 0-1 losses or 1-1 draws. Bloody Crystal Palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, westy8chimp said: Spent all day at work deciding which team to be... Annoying when nearly all teams have new wingers and strikers that wont fit the tactic and cant be sold till jan or next season... Everton have tosun, walcott and probably a few others plus bolassie injured... Soton have carrilo and boufal and watfords captain is deeney... Floggin him would cause all kinds of upset Spurs is where you want to be. Retrain Kane to SV. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy8chimp Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Just now, Ackter said: Spurs is where you want to be. Retrain Kane to SV. Wanted to be a bit lower rep... Otherwise im facing defensive teams more often than not. As your rep is increasing you finding it tougher? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Not really. I switch from Standard to Control and it seems to have sorted out any problems against the more defensive teams. The problem is when I forget to switch it back for the big teams because then they just counter me back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Newcastle aren't a bad lower rep team tbh. You can sell the less needed players really easily in order to bring in the players you need, and Ritchie is just an absurdly good player who you can retrain to play anywhere (he's left back for me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Numbaz Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 What instructions did you give the wingers? What weren't they doing that you needed to tweak? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy8chimp Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 Re newc... Cant stomach the grim kit tho! I need to recheck squads... Maybe bournemouth as they only have a few strikers... Kings pace probably be handy as a mez or wb. Otherwise spurs a good shout with plenty of players that are immediately perfect for the role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlairRA Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 Pretty amazing formation, nice work! Have you tried making the FBs have a WB (A) role and the W(A)'s a IW (A) role? That way you can still have width and attacking presence, at present it feels like the FBs are a little wasted staying back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikcheck Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 I wonder if it makes sense to play with Pass Into Space? I believe it makes total sense with strikerless formation, since the front players are deep and you have space to attack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevie Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 @Ackter and @westy8chimp - the tactic here was awful and got me the sack mid-holiday but the links here were on their way to looking incredible: Imagine all those were bright green Just unfortunate that the tactic, as I had it, was absolutely useless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westy8chimp Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, Chevie said: @Ackter and @westy8chimp - the tactic here was awful and got me the sack mid-holiday but the links here were on their way to looking incredible: Imagine all those were bright green Just unfortunate that the tactic, as I had it, was absolutely useless. Nice, saves me the hassle of finding out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasedDarrenMoore Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 How do you deal with balls over the top? I'm trying it out with Sutton and against Lincoln and Danny Cowleys 442 Direct, we drew 2-2, both goals soaring long balls that they played into the box. Would this tactic still work with a deeper line or would that negate the counter-attacks because they wouldn't get the ball as high up the pitch? EDIT: Spoke incorrectly, we won 3-2. Still, both goals from long balls. Which is concerning considering I'm playing in Long Ball City here in the National League. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorgen Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 @Ackter Would you consider making this tactic available for download? Would this would be useful in a league where lots of teams play very offensive, like in The Netherlands? So if you ain't managing a top 5 team (Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, AZ, or Vitesse), then you could win the league by exploiting all the space when opponents attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martywigham Posted September 23, 2018 Share Posted September 23, 2018 On 17/09/2018 at 15:03, Jorgen said: @Ackter Would you consider making this tactic available for download? Would this would be useful in a league where lots of teams play very offensive, like in The Netherlands? So if you ain't managing a top 5 team (Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, AZ, or Vitesse), then you could win the league by exploiting all the space when opponents attack. You can set it up from the opening post, it has 3 team instructions and only two of the positions have PIs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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