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I'm looking forward to this one. The thread that keeps on giving. Never used a Regista before and not had much intention to really. I'm intrigued to see what can be done with one. I favour 2 in the DM position but usually have a Segundo Volante as one of the roles there unless I'm going more defensive. Again it's having the right player to make it work properly but it could potentially be very creative especially if you have more of a holding player alongside to compensate.

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Will be interesting which tactic you go for, he's a good all round player so can definitely get away with using him in a 2 man midfield. Its a role I'd love to use more often but typically I feel like I force it in and isn't the best role for the job so end up changing such as in tactic #1 which is very similar to what i've tried before.  That defend duty MC and BBM end up in the same area as the REG too often but your experience with different players might be different.  I prefer to clear out MC players by getting them forward and wider to give REG targets such as a 532 DM or 4132 or just don't have any like 343 or 4231. 

I always think back to this post about the Regista:  link to original post quoted below

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1) What is the mentality of the Regista compared to the DLP?

DLP: "I stay back here, and when the ball comes to me, I pass it somewhere good. Sometimes the results are super-spiffy."

Regista: "You, striker, don't know what to do with the ball? You give it to me! You, wingback, have run out of space with another one of your stupid runs? You give it to me! Central defender, the ball, seriously?! Give it to me! Now listen, peons: you go where I tell you to, and I will give you the ball to score and we can end this little charade against this clearly inferior team and be enjoying cappucinos by teatime."

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2) What is the difference in Creative Freedom?

DLP: "Oh, that's more for the wingers, Wazza & Robin. I'm just here to make their jobs easier."

Regista: "Creative Freedom? Yes, I will have it, ALL OF IT. No, none for you, Mr. False 9 or whatever you're calling yourself these days."

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3) Is there a difference in closing down? Tackling?

DLP: "Ah, something I can talk about. Most interesting part of the game, to be honest, as I need to strike a balance between being too aggressive but also being able to break up attacking movement effectively."

Regista: "Zzzzzz, oh, I'm sorry, were you talking? I have people to do this work for me."

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4) What is the difference between the two roles in terms of RFD, RWB, TTB, Crossing, roaming, holding the ball?

DLP: "Not sure I understand the question. I intercept the ball, or receive it from my teammates, and look to play a good pass up the pitch to the more creative types. It's not rocket surgery."

Regista: "You do realize we're talking about football here, right, little man? Bother me not with your terminology, football is an epic saga and I am its composer and conductor, if I may mix metaphors (and I may)."

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5) Is there a difference in passing length settings?

DLP: "Whatever it takes, as long as it's reasonably safe."

Regista: "Yes, these passing lengths. I will have ALL OF THEM."

 

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Gah. Each of these threads gives me ideas for my own saves! :lol:

Always wanted to use a registration, but never had the right players. But I wonder whether I could move Pogba back there when he gets older and his physical attributes become less important. (I’m still on 17, so don’t have the volante role which seems to describe his game perfectly)

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45 minutes ago, summatsupeer said:

Will be interesting which tactic you go for

yeh in theory the 4123 and 4231 should suit the role best, but I found him swamped by the cms as you suggest. So im playing the 442 (2dm). It's working pretty well... the analysis is really hard, because it's always the pass that starts a move and often doesn't lead to a goal or even a highlight.

im posting some later today (as soon as a quiet room at work becomes available so I can pretend im on a conf. call).

What was funny... one game I inadvertently switched the DM and Reg when picking my first 11 - so Pinto who has 'stays back', 'plays simple passes' was the Reg and Allwein was the DM... it was one of Allwein's best games ... lots of long diagonal balls to the winger. Shows how his PPM are more powerful than any role I can give him (my DM role has PI to play shorter and less risky :D )

It also showed how Pinto can't play the regista role.. has good all round stats but PPM to stay back and pass simple overwrote everything about the Regista.

I didn't email the screen shots for that match as it was the last game I played last night I think, but tonight ill go and do some evidence on that game.

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interestingly in the 'suggested roles for FM19' thread... I was quite passionate that we don't need roles as such. Allwein is a DM, Pinto is a DM ... the difference in how they play is their traits and attributes. And the above situation proves that.

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28 minutes ago, howard moon said:

But I wonder whether I could move Pogba back there when he gets older and his physical attributes become less important.

Pogba can be a Regista for sure. Physicals is a bonus to the role... whilst not overly defensive minded... still playing in the DM slot so will have to win the odd header and upset the opposite number 10 where possible.

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Tactics

This season I set up three slots, with the three formations shown in the OP. I've used two of them, below.

Started with this;

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But the BWM and BBM make things around the Reg a little congested. It worked as a tactic, but not beneficial to the role.

I fairly swiftly made a move to my 442 (2 DM) formation to open the pitch ahead of the Reg.

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TI, men, shape:

  • Mentality - standard. As mentioned in OP I really want the 'director' to direct... so I'm not going to move far from the default settings.
  • Shape isn't important here, I will let the players decide what they think is best... or rather let the Reg direct them where he wants them!
  • POD - try and prevent the defence bypassing the Reg.
  • Prevent GK - works with my PI to create a high block.

PIs:

  • GK to distribute short
  • Front 4 (strikers and wingers) to much more closing down
  • Reg more direct and risky passing
  • DM shorter passing with fewer risks.
  • CF to move into channels

I've tinkered with the Reg right adjusted, but as he likes to switch flanks, it works really well with him set to the left and the Winger making runs into space on the right.

Here is my DM, important to show how his attributes and PPMs are the perfect offset compare to Allwein. 'Dictates' tempo the only clash ... but considering his flair is low and he likes short passing, should work well. He will slow play down, then Allwein will speed it up.

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The key for the Regista is to have players ahead of him making good runs. To that end here is the pace, acceleration, anticipation & off the ball (note also determination) of my squad. Pretty good mental and physical stats across the board. Should be no shortage of good runs with players quick enough and forward thinking to make use of good long range passing.

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Transfers

As eluded to at the end of season 10 - I was making a move from very central, possession style to wide play. I needed to spend big in the market to bring in width... but made big in selling my CMs.

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In January I had Arthur coming to the end of contract, and also despite relatively young age, his stats already dropping (I have a separate gripe about this).

I think when a player is listed world class ... as their physical stats fall off a cliff, I believe their mental and technical stats should increase. Someone like Arthur who was a great all action midfielder for a decade, should start to make use of his passing, experience etc. I'm not talking a basic algorithm that as players get old physical stats decrease others increase... I'm saying for the odd world class player ... like IRL they get better with age and are able to adopt deeper roles using experience and technique to stay at the top.

Anyway.... Arthur had to go, so I went to market for another Regista as backup.

As is common ground now, I have an ex-player top of the pile when I search. This isn't me making mistakes and realising it later on... it's a symptom of changing formation and style so frequently, I might have 6 perfect playmakers, but If I change to 442 they are surplus.

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This is Carlos Alena. He has too many PPMs to even capture on 2 screens. Imagine what his attributes would be like if he hadn't spent so much CA on PPM. but I prefer the PPMs, especially when looking for specific roles.

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Jan window...

totals now over £400m in and out!!

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Mid-Season Form

C'mon this is the year we go unbeaten! About 5 seasons in a row, maybe more (or maybe I exaggerate) where we go into Xmas without a defeat. Oh, except of course for the tactic breakers RBL!!!!! My kryptonite year after year.

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And here is the squad view ... goals and assists shifting to that front 4

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Allwein has the 4th highest rating at this point in the season. And considering he doesn't get any of the joy vs weaker sides in the cup game... I'm really impressed by this. And actually it's more telling than any of the analysis I'm able to provide.

As anticipated he isn't top of the pass completion numbers (completed or %), he hasn't created the most chances, doesn't make the most tackles.

It's a certain Je ne sais quoi!

 

 

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Analysis

I went and did the analysis retrospectively as I'd raced through a lot of games. His best work doesn't feature in the highlight reels, so I'm relying on the post-game analysis such as pass maps to paint the picture of his days work.

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Really pleased here with the variety of direction and range. It's not spectacular it's just elegant efficiency keeping us ticking.

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He isn't afraid to try 60 yard box-to-box passes. 

And one of the key targets was that he be involved in goals. He's involved in a lot, unfortunately his 3 assists aren't overly glamorous. He is first point of call as receiver on attacking throw ins. All 3 assists are from throw in situations.

But these are much more enjoyable to watch, the pass before the assist or the long ball that sets off an attack.

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I didn't have time to review every game... but I suspect I've only found a handful of what would be pretty much every goal scored!

Sorry this is a bit rubbish... twofold, as said it is the unsung work, not all action, so finding moments to highlight or analyse takes time. I haven't had that time. I promise to do more in the second half of the season, especially now I'm fixed on a tactic!

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Youth

There's been a great thread by @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! recently about youth academy and development, and it sparked a few other threads, so I thought I'd do a tiny inclusion.

I've mentioned in several of my other threads the importance of tutoring youth and keeping track of what's happening in u19. It's such a valuable resource, even if you just get one good player every few years, to be able to dive down there and find that guy who can step in and cover injuries, or promote them in the new season to save £50m on finding a new player.

There's been some players get very close for me but miss the cut due to tactical decisions (2 or 3 have gone for over £40m without playing a senior game).

Here's a handful in the current squad that have come through the ranks and now feature in the first team. With all of them, I wait until they have that break through season in the U19s then try to loan them out, but in special circumstances they get promoted straight to the main team without a loan, usually to cover injury, and if they do well enough... then a bright future await.

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None of these are the finished article yet. Behles is the one who was always on the brink of being sold, but his returns kept impressing me enough to look beyond his attributes. And actually he is very good to watch during the games. To the point he is challenging a Moise Kean, who at 27, is in his prime!

Here is my youth squad at the moment... a few more being tutored or out on loan...

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Cream of the current crop is;

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Haven't decided what PPMs will best suit him yet... so just focussing on training as a DM. As you can see by his determination, and many of those above, it is 20 and is one of the first things I try and instil into any hot prospect. Those who reject tutoring (temperamental, ambitious personality usually) quickly find themselves turfed out.

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I'm interested whether you considered a 532 formation?

A 532 formation  would make sense for using the regista.


Maybe a midfield of  Mezzala (a) + Carillero (su) with a regista behind them? Both of these roles would go wide when in possession (correct me if I'm wrong as I actually still play FM16), Carillero would cover thje space behind an attacking WB on his side (makes sense to use Carillero in a single wide pivot system) while on the flank where the forward-minded Mezzala operates, there'd be a support duty wingback. The 3 ATB would surely be able to hold the ball and deliver it to the Regista.

I'd look to lower the D-line + play out of defense + use lower end mentality + structured shape (or just some of these) to make sure you play a slower build up play, making sure there's space between the defence and the regista for him to collect the ball from the defence. He'd than have a few runners in front ofd him - an attacking WB on one side + an attacking Mezzala on the other side + 2 strikers further up the field (the benefit of structured shape).

 

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10 minutes ago, charisma_charisma said:

A 532 formation  would make sense for using the regista.

Absolutely, and the midfield combo you suggest would be a sensible starting point.

The trouble for me is, I'm really enjoying the aspect to this series of hopping around... I'd just shown how good WB-s could be in a possession thread... then how affective they could be as make-shift wingers in a 532 direct, then back to a narrow formation. So my natural instinct was to go back to traditional width.

I think Regista would also work really well with a TM upfront. No idea what next season holds yet, but may just make tiny tweaks to this formation for a couple of seasons, and that would be one of them. Especially with Pellegri in his prime.

 

 

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13 hours ago, Old Scouser Tommy said:

I'm looking forward to this one. The thread that keeps on giving. Never used a Regista before and not had much intention to really. I'm intrigued to see what can be done with one. I favour 2 in the DM position but usually have a Segundo Volante as one of the roles there unless I'm going more defensive. Again it's having the right player to make it work properly but it could potentially be very creative especially if you have more of a holding player alongside to compensate.

You should really give it a go. The first thing I do when I join a new team is bring in a player to be my regista. He's always among my top performers. Makes the whole team tick.

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On 24/07/2018 at 09:10, howard moon said:

Gah. Each of these threads gives me ideas for my own saves! :lol:

Always wanted to use a registration, but never had the right players. But I wonder whether I could move Pogba back there when he gets older and his physical attributes become less important. (I’m still on 17, so don’t have the volante role which seems to describe his game perfectly)

Jorginho is an excellent Regista. in a 4123 with Pogba as one of the 2, could be very tasty

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Interesting thread :thup: 

How are you finding the Regista as part of a midfield 3?

I've always found any DM support role gets clogged up in a midfield 3, particularly with a Defence duty ahead of him. When I used it they were on top of each other during build up and when trying to defend.

Be interesting to hear if you had the same issue or managed to get around it!

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1 minute ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:

Interesting thread :thup: 

How are you finding the Regista as part of a midfield 3?

I've always found any DM support role gets clogged up in a midfield 3, particularly with a Defence duty ahead of him. When I used it they were on top of each other during build up and when trying to defend.

Be interesting to hear if you had the same issue or managed to get around it!

:D Yeh found the same thing... I quickly cleared the way so he has more room to work in. I'm loving the Regista now... nearly every goal is; build up from back -> into Reg -> long pass to IW, W or CF -> cross/through ball to P/IW/CF/W

23 hours ago, westy8chimp said:

 

But the BWM and BBM make things around the Reg a little congested. It worked as a tactic, but not beneficial to the role.

I fairly swiftly made a move to my 442 (2 DM) formation to open the pitch ahead of the Reg. 

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TI, men, shape:

  • Mentality - standard. As mentioned in OP I really want the 'director' to direct... so I'm not going to move far from the default settings.
  • Shape isn't important here, I will let the players decide what they think is best... or rather let the Reg direct them where he wants them!
  • POD - try and prevent the defence bypassing the Reg.
  • Prevent GK - works with my PI to create a high block.

PIs:

  • GK to distribute short
  • Front 4 (strikers and wingers) to much more closing down
  • Reg more direct and risky passing
  • DM shorter passing with fewer risks.
  • CF to move into channels

I've tinkered with the Reg right adjusted, but as he likes to switch flanks, it works really well with him set to the left and the Winger making runs into space on the right.

 

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It works, my results were great, it just stifles the Regista behaviour a little bit.

If I was going to stick with it, I'd have gone to highly structured, changed BBM to a CM(a) ... and probably the BWM(d) to a CM(s) or Car or BWM (s) 

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:D no updates today, wife has a friend staying with us ... so I spent night at pub to avoid awkward small talk. WFH tomorrow though, so you better catch up before then as that = whole day sesh (FM not pub)

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1 hour ago, Ö-zil to the Arsenal! said:

Interesting thread :thup: 

How are you finding the Regista as part of a midfield 3?

I've always found any DM support role gets clogged up in a midfield 3, particularly with a Defence duty ahead of him. When I used it they were on top of each other during build up and when trying to defend.

Be interesting to hear if you had the same issue or managed to get around it!

You never want to put defend duties ahead of the regista. He needs space to work in and targets upfield to pick out.

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7 minutes ago, RocheBag said:

You never want to put defend duties ahead of the regista

I understand your point and it's certainly valid. But...

In the words of Justin Bieber - n-n-n-n never say never.

In my case, I used BWM(D) if you read description of the role, it ties in beautifully with the Regista ... I can't remember exactly but it's something like "looks to win the ball in deep positions and play simple pass"...on support "looks to win the ball high up the field" (paraphrase)

You can see from the results, I think I stuck with the 4123 for 10 or so games, tactically it worked brilliantly.

My thread has a more specific aim around the Regista... so I changed, but it was tactically sound and was bringing success.

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3 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

I understand your point and it's certainly valid. But...

In the words of Justin Bieber - n-n-n-n never say never.

In my case, I used BWM(D) if you read description of the role, it ties in beautifully with the Regista ... I can't remember exactly but it's something like "looks to win the ball in deep positions and play simple pass"...on support "looks to win the ball high up the field" (paraphrase)

You can see from the results, I think I stuck with the 4123 for 10 or so games, tactically it worked brilliantly.

My thread has a more specific aim around the Regista... so I changed, but it was tactically sound and was bringing success.

I suppose. I was speaking more from a place of getting the most out of the regista rather than the team as a whole working.

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Further Analysis

Second half of the season was a lot better having settled on the 4222 (2DM wide) formation. It opened more space for Allwein to use his long passing range.

Here are a few more maps just to illustrate that director role, popping up all over the pitch to keep things ticking, particularly focussed on switching play to the flanks.

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It's not all from deep or range either;

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Also in the first half of the season, because he had bodies congesting his area, there were less direct assists, but as the season went on he started finding the right passes to strikers

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But most of his work, was delightful passes out to the winger, setting up attack after attack with pinpoint accuracy. Left hand picture is where he receives the ball, and the options around him, right hand picture is him delivering the ball. I like how it's rarely the obvious choice.

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I could take 10-15 of those from any game to be honest!

I managed to capture this one in game too, where the text eludes to his 'dictates tempo', he is more than happy to stop on the ball (with his strength and balance 20) and wait for the attackers to make the best run.

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End of season

Sometimes you take the bitter with the better; I'll start with our failings, 3 defeats (1 in GC, 2 in CL knockout) saw me exit the cups a lot earlier than I'd have liked. I was pretty complacent with my lineup selection vs Monaco in the first leg, but overcame them in the second. With UTD I thought I'd learnt my lesson and plugged the main team... we got a red card and lost anyway! This time it cost us, out on away goal rule.

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Disappointments aside (and yes that does make the season a bit of a failure)...

We went on to finally go unbeaten in the league! It had been coming for a few seasons and this time we stayed strong.

One element I really liked was the fact we never conceded more than 1 goal in a league game all season. This is the first time I'd not really pushed a high line or closed down. We lacked possession but the deeper (relative to other seasons) line with 2 DM was really solid. Without the Regista spraying balls left right and centre I think it would lack the attacking edge needed to win 31/34 games

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That combination of Allwein -> Taylor bears fruit in their average ratings.

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In terms of the team, we again created most crosses and chances

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this is how the goals and assists were distributed

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Some Fluff...

I haven't posted anything about awards before, but as this season was about the individual and his role, these were rewarding and say more than any of the isolated analysis can

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I highlighted in the OP the importance of having a solid DM counterpart for the Regista, it's nice to see the writers and fans recognise Pinto's importance, he also won newcomer.

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And one last piece of the fluffiest fluff... of all the players to score on their birthday, the man the thread is about :D

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Congrats on finally getting the unbeaten season!

I don't know why but it never occurred to me to use a Regista in a formation like that where there's no central players between him and the strikers - I'd always tried it either paired with a Segundo Volante in a 4231 or in a 3 or 5 man midfield, and then wondered why I hadn't got consistent ratings out of a Regista since FM15. 

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On 24/07/2018 at 05:56, RocheBag said:

You should really give it a go. The first thing I do when I join a new team is bring in a player to be my regista. He's always among my top performers. Makes the whole team tick.

Ok you've kinda talked me into it so I'll give it a bash pre-season with my Benevento save and see whats what. Once it's loaded up and I've set the system up I'll post an image and go from there.

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@westy8chimpI've using this tactic on a Man United and I won 15 games in a row using Matic as the Regista and either Pogba or Fellaini as the DM.

Matic has been great and I can actually see him doing all the things in your screenshot. The DM role doesn't really suit Pogba or Fellaini but they've been good enough and contributed to the win run. 

Recently though, the wheels have come off drastically, and I'm drawing a lot of games 0-0 or getting 1-0 results either way. Matic is losing the ball quite often and for some reason, my forward 4 aren't making many runs. In another thread, it got suggested that other teams are going more defensive, which stops the forward 4 getting into space or marking Matic out of the game. 

The front 4 of Martial, Sanchez, Lukaku and Rashford should have had enough movement to create space but seemingly not. 

I am aware that I haven't got the perfect midfield duo yet, and don't really have a great DM tackler next to Matic, but do you have any experience of your form suddenly changing or oppositions adapting to it? Would you recommend any tweaks to get past stubborn defenses who severely reduce the Registas options? 

 

Finally, I did try Pogba as the Regista (still had the problem of a lack of a great DM next to him) and watching the games, I actually found his passing range and performances weren't as good as Matics, interestingly. 

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@DamianJMcGrath hi... Could it be anything morale based? I didnt tweak much at all...occasionally if a game was 0-0 after 60 mins id change mentality to attacking... Or raise one of the wide men from midfield strats to am strata. 

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8 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

@DamianJMcGrath hi... Could it be anything morale based? I didnt tweak much at all...occasionally if a game was 0-0 after 60 mins id change mentality to attacking... Or raise one of the wide men from midfield strats to am strata. 

I'll be honest, their morale seems fine. But I have noticed that when I leave my team talks to the assistant, he always says he's disappointed by a win and that confuses people. Maybe it's that. 

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So I went into pre-season with Benevento with an idea to try out a Regista to see what I could do. I picked a system and a kind of an idea of what I wanted to do so this is what I've kind of decided on, for the moment. I'm going with a standard mentality because it'll give me a stable base and can be just as attacking as a higher mentatlity but will hopefully not see me get overrun by my opponents. Fluid shape will things a little bit close together so my combinations won't be stretched and we hopefully be playing too long a pass to find a teammate.

The 2 strikers both have 'Close down more' player instructions as do both wide players. Wide playmaker also has 'Get Further Forward'. Regista has 'More Direct Passes' and 'More Risky Passes'. DM has 'Less Risky Passes' and 'Pass it Shorter'. Goalkeeper has 'Take Short Kicks'.

No opposition instructions. Yet! Maybe later as I get into the season to counter a specific threat.

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I'm hoping the Regista will link up with the Wide Playmaker and the Poacher. That's the thinking behind having them all on the left. The Poacher will move wider as the Wide Playmaker moves inside and I'd like a nice triangle in that area. The passing combination between the Regista and Wide Playmaker is what I want and should continue to improve and become more effective the more they play together and familiarity increases.

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As you can see those 2 players linked up the most during this particular game which is what I want to see.

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Now the combination between the Wide Playmaker and Poacher. This is also what I'm looking for. I'm hoping these 2 players combing will open space ahead of the Regista. This is all from the Roma friendly we played and as you can see it worked quite well.

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Possession though is a little too low for my liking, but, looking at the movement, passing combinations and chances created we're having our possession in the right areas.

Pre-season went pretty much how I'd hoped especially as I'm messing round with the formation and stuff at the moment.

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One friendly left then onto the season. Nothing will probably change formation wise I wouldn't have thought but I'll tweak team and player instructions if needed.

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2 hours ago, Old Scouser Tommy said:

Possession though is a little too low for my liking

Looks good. Dont worry too much about possession, without am or cm you will have some opponents able to play very passive keep ball in the middle. As youve shown, its more important what you do with the ball. 

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It is very much what you do with the ball. I'm normally hovering around 55-60% so it's a little strange for me to see it that low. I probably could increase it by changing to control but I don't want to be that 'high' up if that makes sense. I'm very much still a small fish in a big pond with Benevento even after 2 top 7 finishes so teams will come at me.

It's getting there slowly. Expectations are still quite low so I can afford to lose and tweak as I go. There's still a 'Quality' issue though that sometimes infuriates as I'll have quite a few chances that are missed whereas better players would maybe hit the target.

But at the end of the day this is about the Regista and developing him and his role into something I actually will want to use in the future.

Edited by Old Scouser Tommy

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Changed the system slightly because I wanted a little more possession in the middle

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I changed it just before the West Brom friendly and kept it the same. As you can see the results have been excellent and this form took me to the top of the league. But, the Regista is not quite doing what I want it to do. Not getting involved enough so we shall see. Maybe the DLP is taking away from him.

 

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@Old Scouser Tommy Thats a good start form wise. The dlp will take a fair amount of the passing... But depending on ppms... His best outball should be the reg quite often. 

I wouldnt change anything whilst winning. But if form does take a turn for the worse, id be looking to remove 'fluid' (its reducing the mentality of your front two... When you should want to increase them). I'd also look for a more aggresive runner than F9... Maybe an SS starting deep but making runs for the reg to pick out... Or like i ended up with, a CF who can drop when needed but also makes plenty of runs behind or through channels. 

Keep it up

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Yeah I kinda toyed with the fluid thing as I normally stay flexible but at the moment it works, I just lost to Napoli but we played well and should really have won the game.

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11 hours ago, Old Scouser Tommy said:

I changed it just before the West Brom friendly and kept it the same. As you can see the results have been excellent and this form took me to the top of the league. But, the Regista is not quite doing what I want it to do. Not getting involved enough so we shall see. Maybe the DLP is taking away from him.

I think its more likely that the WP-A is taking away from the REG than the DLP-D since he takes more risks.  Plus the W-A who once he gets the ball is quite likely to just run and cross it rather than playing a possession pass to one of your 3 playmakers.

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Interesting thread. I think I'd play the Regista if I could have him Hold Position like he could back in FM15, as a more creative alternative to my usual holding midfielders that are the HB and the DLP(D). It's an interesting role, but I don't necessarily want to build around him defensively with other players filling in in his place. EDIT: Or at least not having him roam all the time...

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@westy8chimp great series of threads mate!

I've been keeping close tabs on them all without commenting but they've certainly given me some ideas and inspiration to try things out. I especially love the Regista experiment with my season 3-4 Bayern save. Currently on a 45 game unbeaten run in the league, had a run of 9 games without conceding and dominated, as you'd expect at Bayern, even if I have revamped most of the squad.

I do love the range of passing from the Regista, I have Rabiot (long range pass, dictates tempo, switches ball) backed up by Cuisance with the same PPMs. In fact, I started up a BMG save last night so that I can give it a go with a weaker team and mould Cuisance and Benes into Registas and have Zakaria and Kramer as the muscle alongside them.

Really enjoyable threads. I hope there'll be more! :thup:

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I Emma never tried a Regista before, but I’ve always wanted to. After reading this I’ve finally going to try. Here’s what I’m thinking, feel free to correct:

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—————BPD(D)—BPD(D)—BPD(D)—————         

———————REG(S)———VOL(A)——————

—W(A)————————————————W(A)—

——————————ENG(A)—————————

————————CF(S)——AF(A)————————

Mentality: Attacking (inspired by the T&B thread on Sanpaoli’s tactics)

Team shape: Fluid (may adjust to flexible, but I want my players to have freedom and I want vertical compactness to help us in transition)

TI’s: Much higher D-line, Offside trap, Much more closing down, Prevent short GK distribution, Play out of defence, Work ball into box, Roam from positions.

Any criticism much needed and welcomed

 

 

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Cheers @davehibb if i was now doing a regular one player game for my own enjoyment, regista would be part of the setup for sure. I really enjoyed this season. Glad to hear you enjoyed it and its working for you too.

Ive been quite disciplined to stick with Leverkusen throughout... At times ive wanted to start again as frankfurt or bmg... Or go back to epl and do a series taking burnley or palace up the table etc. But there is always FM19 to document that story :D

Update this thread with how you get on at BMG! 

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53 minutes ago, SmileFaceGamer said:

I Emma never tried a Regista before, but I’ve always wanted to. After reading this I’ve finally going to try. Here’s what I’m thinking, feel free to correct:

—————————-SK(A)——————————          

—————BPD(D)—BPD(D)—BPD(D)—————         

———————REG(S)———VOL(A)——————

—W(A)————————————————W(A)—

——————————ENG(A)—————————

————————CF(S)——AF(A)————————

Mentality: Attacking (inspired by the T&B thread on Sanpaoli’s tactics)

Team shape: Fluid (may adjust to flexible, but I want my players to have freedom and I want vertical compactness to help us in transition)

TI’s: Much higher D-line, Offside trap, Much more closing down, Prevent short GK distribution, Play out of defence, Work ball into box, Roam from positions.

Any criticism much needed and welcomed

 

 

I like some of the ideas... Important thing is to give it a try. 

Its just personal preferance, i would probably swap bdps for cbs, sk for gk, to encourage them to play shorter and give the regista the ball. 

Will be interesting to see how the volante gets on. On attacking mentality and a playmaker (the enganche) in advance, the ball could transition too quickly for the SV to be utilised. 

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18 hours ago, Old Scouser Tommy said:

I changed it just before the West Brom friendly and kept it the same. As you can see the results have been excellent and this form took me to the top of the league. But, the Regista is not quite doing what I want it to do. Not getting involved enough so we shall see. Maybe the DLP is taking away from him.

The DLP is absolutely taking away from him. To truly make the regista the heartbeat of the team he should be the only playmaker.

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2 hours ago, westy8chimp said:

Will be interesting to see how the volante gets on. On attacking mentality and a playmaker (the enganche) in advance, the ball could transition too quickly for the SV to be utilised. 

The idea of the SV is to provide a runner for the Regista and Enganche, it’s in effect my outball that I expect to help me recycle possesion further up the pitch. It won’t necessarily be involved directly in too many goals, but it will be a huge help along with the Regista

 

2 hours ago, westy8chimp said:

Its just personal preferance, i would probably swap bdps for cbs, sk for gk, to encourage them to play shorter and give the regista the ball.

I’ll take the advice with the CB’s. As for the SK, I’m playing with a very high line in a high block style, so I want my keeper to act as the 11th defender which is why I’m using a SK-A

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rga.jpg

mine works ok

2 hours ago, RocheBag said:

The DLP is absolutely taking away from him. To truly make the regista the heartbeat of the team he should be the only playmaker.

true

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8 hours ago, Fritz13 said:

How have you found 3 playmakers @Old Scouser Tommy ?

interested as I play with an APM and a RPM ahead of a DM-S and was considering changing the DM to a DLP-S

As a tactical system it's working well but as an exercise in getting the best out of the Regista it's not.

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13 hours ago, Old Scouser Tommy said:

As a tactical system it's working well but as an exercise in getting the best out of the Regista it's not.

Noted :cool:

More passes and/or possession ?

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I just read a lot of this...I didn't realize that PPM Training impacts stats.

Regista is a role I use for training DM's and then Slot them as DLP's with correct PPMS(Killer Balls, Long Passes, Switch to Other Flank, Dictate Tempo) so I end up with a Pirlo.

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