knap Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 FM 18.3.4 Tested with MU in FMT no OIs 424 FM18.3.4MIDSOMERVOLMEZMUP102.fmf 4231 FM18.3.4MIDSOMER4231VOLMEZMUP101v.fmf 442 FM18.3.4MIDSOMER442VOLMEZWINGERMUP100.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 I think I found a new favorite tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmste Posted July 21, 2018 Share Posted July 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Heywood JaBlowme said: I think I found a new favorite tactic. have you tried this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenham2k7 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 tactic is working just great for spurs. Corner routines are very good too. will post results when I have a few more games under the belt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 4231 FM18.3.4MIDSOMER4231VOLMEZMUP101v.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fribbe Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, knap said: 4231 FM18.3.4MIDSOMER4231VOLMEZMUP101v.fmf Better than Dark side of the moon 4-2-3-1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whispers Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Im a sucker for 4-2-3-1 tactics. How terrible would it be if the wingers were changed to IF's? Would you say this is the best of your 4-2-3-1 tactics for a topteam/subtop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 RAW SIENNA is the best tested tactic with IFs but there is also PILGRIMAGE and GOODBYE. I can't tell unless I test with IFs. The best result with MU for a 4231 is 102 pts, not sue any are ALL CUPS tactics, but in general with strikers 3>2>1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
whispers Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, knap said: RAW SIENNA is the best tested tactic with IFs but there is also PILGRIMAGE and GOODBYE. I can't tell unless I test with IFs. The best result with MU for a 4231 is 102 pts, not sue any are ALL CUPS tactics, but in general with strikers 3>2>1 Yeah i might just switch to the ARGUS 343 tactic since its by far the best formation etc out there. Im just nostalgic about when 4231 were THE tactics in FM its strange not using atleast an AMC which is why im trying out your BM 4213 but its clear that the 343 is way better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 Because the 3430s were so dominant last year, the AMC spot has been scuppered this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novem9 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Tactics looks very good, but what about wings? Can I use nonworking leg in W-role? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenham2k7 Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 just one of my results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 15 hours ago, fmste said: have you tried this? Yes. In my current save, I'm coaching Barcelona in at the start of 2026. Started using this tactic at the end of last season in the Copa del Ray final vs Real Madrid and have stuck with it since. I already had La Liga title clinched before switching to this tactic but I won Champions League with it. results have been excellent so far. I like it because players like Pulisic are more effective as AM than WM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 22, 2018 Author Share Posted July 22, 2018 Usually left on left but PPMs can override this and you can also change them during a game to add variety, so you have left on right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmo Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Looks like you make a lot of tactics, I need your help with something if you please. In FM15, I made a great 4-2-3-1 tactic. Advanced forward (attack) Inside forward (attack) - Attacking Playmaker (support) - Winger (support) Complete wingback (attack) - Defensive Playmaker (defend) - Roaming Playmaker (support) - Complete wingback (attack) Ballplaying defender (stopper) Central Defender (cover) Sweeper Keeper (support) In this version I can't get it working at all... My vision Higher defensive line, closing down much more, short passing, high tempo, retain possession, less dribbling, a lot of movement without the ball... Could you please help getting my tactic to work again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 The roles may not work as a whole. I tend to avoid playmakers and CWBs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmo Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 I found this one you made: !FM18.3.4DARKSIDEKOFMOON343volnapMUP103.fmf It's about how I intend to play, I would only use an advanced forward because it's the best role for most of my players. Needs a bit of finetuning for my players, I will get it fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 Adaptation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmo Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Thanks man, I will give it a go! Is it real not possible having inside forwards in this version? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 23, 2018 Author Share Posted July 23, 2018 3 Strikers are more dominant, and it is easy to use AMR/AML as the outside forwards. I have tweaked the above tactic to have the AF in centre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetsuna Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 Would making the left W into an IF and the left F9 into an AF be any good? Feel like the VOL would like the space both would create Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novem9 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 How 4231 and 424 work with low teams? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmo Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 8 hours ago, knap said: 3 Strikers are more dominant, and it is easy to use AMR/AML as the outside forwards. I have tweaked the above tactic to have the AF in centre. I play with Anderlecht and Belgium. Both teams have great wingers and advanced playmakers. That's why I wanted to create a tactic which uses those. Now I'm trying to tweak your above screenshot into a working tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 When changing roles you need to look at the Mentality change. A TEAM SHAPE picture in team shape thread shows how mentality fits together. Changing roles changes the structure. Also look at PIs and consider why your player cannot play a role. Playmakers attract ball and change a tactics dynamic, makes it more one dimensional and they can be marked out of game, probably an increase in CF. TMs also attract ball.. I would try to avoid looking t low teams, but the underdog test show that 343 will trump other formations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 Also I tend to look at positions,as below, not roles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novem9 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 @knap This is possible to create 433 with line attack like F9-CF-F9 or something else like forwards on sides lower than middle CF ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zetsuna Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 So changing the left W to an IF and left F9 into an AF isn’t a good idea then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 Because roles change the structure and dynamics of a tactic then you are have to monitor the results but cannot expect the tactic to perform like the original. I use the same players to play many different roles so there is no need to change roles for a player. The last tactic had Matic as a roaming playmaker. As long as a player can play a position a role should not be a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tmo Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 How do I read your first table? Very interesting answers your'e giving us, thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 There is no need to read the table, it just an indication of how the mentality of the players change. Very Fluid has a closer spread of mentalities than Highly structured. In practical terms ARGUS a structured tactic is more defensively focused than PILGRIMAGE a Fluid tactic. If you look at the mentality bar, the AF role is much higher than a F9. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alain22 Posted July 24, 2018 Share Posted July 24, 2018 test with monaco 424 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 24, 2018 Author Share Posted July 24, 2018 442 with Wingers FM18.3.4MIDSOMER442VOLMEZWINGERMUP100.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fribbe Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 Did a quick holiday test of the 4-2-3-1 with Crystal Palace and ended up winning the league and the FA Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tottenham2k7 Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 just to let you all know , the tactic (424) will still work wonders even if you change the two striker roles , I have belotti and kane, and set them to their preferred roles (CF and AF) and if anything the tactics working even BETTER!! Thanks again for a great tactic Knap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobrauk Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 @knapThis tactic looks fantastic but I am having a bit of trouble understanding the Winger roles and which foot to play with So Bailey (Left footed) and Son (Right Footed) both have "cut inside from both wings", so is that Left on Left? Or can they go on either? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 Wingers are more right on right but WMs are right on right unless PPM overrides, with both then either. However, you can manually swop during a game and see which combination works best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 27, 2018 Author Share Posted July 27, 2018 PL win with Crystal Palace with a 4231, was not expecting that sort of a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raf0u Posted July 29, 2018 Share Posted July 29, 2018 Would you suggest a Counter mentality instead of "Offensive" for the 4231 if i'm using an underdog in Serie A ? I'm scared to go to Juventus stadium or San siro with Sassuolo with "Offensive" mentality lol Will it change the tactic drastically ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 29, 2018 Author Share Posted July 29, 2018 You can try counter or control as the TC adapts. However most efficient is attack to get results. If you just want a draw then try contain but change according to score line to try and get a result. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffon13 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Any tips on how to tighten my defense? Tactic is working great but I find that since it became fluid I started conceding more goals than before. Also an Idea how to unlock an opponent's defense? Is a mentality change going to be enough? Thanks in advance, tactic is great nonetheless! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 There is a 415 tactic to try to get a goal and SUS tactics to close out games. Mostly down to better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffon13 Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Where can I find the 415 tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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crossroader Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Hey @knap can you give me advice, what kind of striker is best for that formation. Im playing with West Ham right now and im really enjoying that tactic, PILGRIMAGE version are so good so i decided to try something different. My team is promising and plays so good football, but player like Javier Hernandez - Chicharito is not scoring at all. Should i changed his role or i need to find better striker that fits better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted July 30, 2018 Author Share Posted July 30, 2018 You can try the CF AF combination as posted above, .but a 343 is much more dominant formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
crossroader Posted July 30, 2018 Share Posted July 30, 2018 Im using 4231 version, so i changed ST role to AF and its better now. I agree, 343 is the best formation tactic for FM18, but i want something different. I prefer to struggle a bit, but to play with something that is not so most common. I really like the football is coming out of my team right now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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