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Semi Final 2: Croatia Vs England (ITV, KO @19:00)

Who will win and go through to the World Cup Final?  

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  1. 1. Who will win?

    • Croatia
      23
    • England
      38

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  • Poll closed on 11/07/18 at 18:00

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2 minutes ago, DB08 said:

Not with Roy Hodgson having been manager at some point. :herman:

I think Roy had at least a plan, I honestly thing this is the worst England manager, he shouldn't have been anywhere near the job.
All this cheering for him was wasted, he wasted doing anything, every game was the same.
He picked the same 11 and had no idea how to change it, or when to change it.

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And again, the tradition continues.

Every final since 1982 will feature at least one Bayern and Inter player.

If Tolisso comes on, that is.

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Germany did it in 2010 with a young team and got a to a semi-finals and won WC 14.... England can build on this. Went further then I thought.

Edited by Djstu23

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1 minute ago, Mr Adam said:

You really need to crawl back into your hole somewhere you sad sad man

Explain how we overachieved? Played two teams we wouldnt expect to beat on paper (though argument to be made we are equal with them) and we lost both games. We won the games in which we were massive favorites. 

Youve got carried away with yourself

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4 minutes ago, Paul Bacon said:

Its like we have 1 gameplan. And that gameplan doesnt involve the opposition scoring. So if they do they're clueless what to do

More like our best players are forwards and attacking midfield players and to accommodate that we had to have one central midfielder and two wing backs supplying them. When those players forgot how to or couldn't supply our front players we had no other plan. But then it was kind of always like that because of the limited quality of the squad. I guess a lot of people forgot our limitations when we got to the semis.

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We really didn't turn up in the second half, definitely rue those opportunities we had to get a second in the first half. Croatia were better and showed great resilience, but France will ruin them - maybe 3-0 or 4-0 in the final.

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7 minutes ago, martplfc1 said:

Let's be honest, France wouldve destroyed us.

They most likely would have to be honest, England were really found out tonight and Croatia don’t control games anything like France do.

Can’t fault them for it, they lost the game out of lack of maturity, which frankly isn’t their fault for lacking. It’s been a fantastic, unexpected, arguably lucky run, and it’s made the summer quite a lot more fun. 

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Fun fact. Every year since the war ending in 8 has had a new winner.

1958 - Brazil

1978 - Argentina

1998 - France

2018 - Croatia?

 

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Just now, westy8chimp said:

Explain how we overachieved? Played two teams we wouldnt expect to beat on paper (though argument to be made we are equal with them) and we lost both games. We won the games in which we were massive favorites. 

Youve got carried away with yourself

World Cup semi finals you moron.

Never seen somebody so desperate for attention on this forums. At least others like superman have clearly been immature idiots. You seem like a sensible guy just desperate for attention. I hope you get what you need.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Adam said:

World Cup semi finals you moron.

Never seen somebody so desperate for attention on this forums. At least others like superman have clearly been immature idiots. You seem like a sensible guy just desperate for attention. I hope you get what you need.

You clearly missed the thread where he posted his wageslip. Outdid himself in another by claiming he was black.

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Hated the ref as well. Can't argue he had any impact on the result or anything but absolutely hate refs like him, just complete inconsistency throughout the whole game and a smug face while making crap decisions.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Adam said:

World Cup semi finals you moron.

Never seen somebody so desperate for attention on this forums. At least others like superman have clearly been immature idiots. You seem like a sensible guy just desperate for attention. I hope you get what you need.

Oh so we didnt overachieve? So be personal instead :D

Croatia deserved it. 

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Just now, Pukey said:

Hated the ref as well. Can't argue he had any impact on the result or anything but absolutely hate refs like him, just complete inconsistency throughout the whole game and a smug face while making crap decisions.

Yeah, one of those refs that wants the spotlight.

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Just now, Bootador said:

 

That’s definitely true but we didn’t lose that game because Sterling got subbed or because the sun hate sterling

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3 minutes ago, Redshift said:

More like our best players are forwards and attacking midfield players and to accommodate that we had to have one central midfielder and two wing backs supplying them. When those players forgot how to or couldn't supply our front players we had no other plan. But then it was kind of always like that because of the limited quality of the squad. I guess a lot of people forgot our limitations when we got to the semis.

Its easy to get carried away but yea we do have alot of limitations. The lack of bringing on subs suggests he doesnt trust then. Kane's movement is non-existent but does score goals tbf. Sterling has great movement but is a greedy bastard who just loses the ball. Shame we cant combine them

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No, we lost because Kane didn't pass the ball then.

Sterling coming off didn't help (as it didn't in any game he came off), but it's impossible to say what would have happened had he stayed on.

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England played with basically one midfielder whole tournament long.

Both Alli and Lingard proved they offer nothing in defensive phase and keeping the ball back.

You can't leave Henderson alone against two of the world's best midfielders and a guy that can run forever.

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Is westy seriously asking how a team that had one final and one semi final in world cups going into the tournament, no further than QF in any major competition for 22 years, and has generally embarrassed itself for the past couple of tournaments, has overachieved by getting to the semi finals for the first time in 28 years?

"Oh but look who we beat!" is literally the most irrelevant argument going. 

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2 minutes ago, Bootador said:

No, we lost because Kane didn't pass the ball then.

Sterling coming off didn't help (as it didn't in any game he came off), but it's impossible to say what would have happened had he stayed on.

Can't fault where we have finished, but I feel we didn't make changes anywhere near quick enough. Learning curve for all involved for the next tournament

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Personally, and again I like Sterling, I don’t think he did enough to stay on.

I’d have probably taken Alli off, but still don’t think it was a ridiculous decision that cost us the game. We needed fresh legs and it was a toss of a coin really.

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Well deserved win for Croatia, by far the better side from 50 minutes onwards. We simply could find any way to wrest back control once they started putting the pressure on, got Modric into the game and got the fullbacks bombing on. 

No scapegoats, but Southgate got it wrong. Felt Delph or RLC was needed alongside Dier or Henderson to try and disrupt their midfield. Plus, we desperately needed Kane to hold it up and help us get up the pitch when the pressure came and he failed to do so. I understand why Southgate didn't do it, but the sensible football decision would have been to take him off after 70 odd minutes. At least if we were going to hoof it, we could have Vardy and Rashford turning those balls into a challenge for their defence.

Still, good tournament, and good to have a England side worth supporting.

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Tbh I don't think three at the back was helpful in this game. Strinic is a **** left back and was exposed against Denmark and Russia. Having a winger and a fullback against him would have been more effective imo.

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Lost our heads when they scored the equaliser, they weren't really creating anything clear cut up until that point. Real shame we lost control of the ball in the second half, heads just went.

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1 minute ago, celtic_fc said:

Remember that time England almost reached a World Cup final?

This is beautiful. 

Yea we all remember, it was literally like 50 minutes ago.

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2 minutes ago, VamPook said:

Henderson basically held up the England midfield the whole tournament

He sure did. Sadly he was overmatched and probably exhausted for most of today. 

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1 minute ago, kpain16 said:

Sorry people. I really feel for you. Really do. But you're football superpower. You have a young team and this is not the end of them. We're a tiny country with a **** league and this is insane. I still can't believe it. 

We're really not :D not internationally anyway.

But it is certainly an achievement for your country and I have zero animosity towards you. Overall the better team on the day.

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3 minutes ago, kpain16 said:

Sorry people. I really feel for you. Really do. But you're football superpower. You have a young team and this is not the end of them. We're a tiny country with a **** league and this is insane. I still can't believe it. 

Good luck buddy.

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Just now, kpain16 said:

Sorry people. I really feel for you. Really do. But you're football superpower. You have a young team and this is not the end of them. We're a tiny country with a **** league and this is insane. I still can't believe it. 

We aren't really a superpower at all these days. We have arguably the best league in the world but when we look at the depth of quality that is available for England selection then you realise how thin on the ground we are, especially as English players just don't play overseas.

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2 minutes ago, kpain16 said:

Sorry people. I really feel for you. Really do. But you're football superpower. You have a young team and this is not the end of them. We're a tiny country with a **** league and this is insane. I still can't believe it. 

Congratulations. I’m really happy for Croatia. Beautiful country and you’ve gone through a lot as a nation these last 30 years. A nice story for you and a good chance to make a memory of a lifetime.

Parts of me wants this to be the year Mbappe “lands”. But a Croatia world cup win would be special.

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Just now, Rio_V said:

He sure did. Sadly he was overmatched and probably exhausted for most of today. 

Still don't get why we didn't drop in someone like Delph for this game.

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god, that is devastating.  should have had it wrapped up in 20 minutes and looked comfortable for most of the game until they scored.   

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12 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

Yeah who would ever have imagine we could beat tunisia, panama, colombia (on pens) & sweden... 

 

8 minutes ago, westy8chimp said:

Explain how we overachieved? Played two teams we wouldnt expect to beat on paper (though argument to be made we are equal with them) and we lost both games. We won the games in which we were massive favorites. 

Youve got carried away with yourself

For all the nonsense you've posted previously regarding England I have to agree with the above!

We have overachieved when you compare to pre tournament expectations however considering who we've faced this tournament we have only done as expected.

We should be beating Tunisia, Panama, Colombia and Sweden and considering we scraped a last minute winner Vs Tunisia and had to go to pens Vs Colombia we haven't excelled, Panama was a walkover and Sweden were made for us.

I believe we bottled a major opportunity today and deep down most England fans know Southgate blew it, Young and either Alli or Lingard needed changing after around 60-70 mins and he just stupidly stuck to his guns, the draw will never open up like that again and we'll never have an opportunity as good to make a World Cup Final without having to beat a major nation, gutted to say the least and not best pleased, simply, we blew it!!!

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3 minutes ago, celtic_fc said:

Remember that time England almost reached a World Cup final?

This is beautiful. 

It really would have been the most undeserved final appearance I can remember. 

I thought the fans this time were refreshing but during the last couple of games the usual whining and complaining came out.
I really don't see England will ever get this chance again, at least not in my lifetime.

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Yea, Croatians in here well done guys. You deserved to win in the end. 

What a great team. Hope you beat France on sunday! 

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7 minutes ago, celtic_fc said:

Remember that time England almost reached a World Cup final?

This is beautiful. 

You weren't confident enough to make an ABE thread this year though. ;)

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