dllu Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I seem to recall a lot of England fans berating Denmark for not really trying to win against France a couple of days ago. Ah yes. How hollow that sounds now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJJ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, D_LO_ said: You're an ACTUAL England fan? Yeah, ok then. No. I was using the royal "we". I am however a football fan and think using pretty much wholesale changes makes a mockery of what is supposedly the most prestigious international competition in the world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Southgate confirming they didn't want to win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TioPatinhax Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 England vs Colombia? Good, England will be knocked out as usual Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, dllu said: I seem to recall a lot of England fans berating Denmark for not really trying to win against France a couple of days ago. Ah yes. How hollow that sounds now... was more france not trying to win either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, dllu said: I seem to recall a lot of England fans berating Denmark for not really trying to win against France a couple of days ago. Ah yes. How hollow that sounds now... We were berating France for not trying actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Southgate basically admitted that he threw the game. Ruthless England Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 We clearly didn't play with any intensity in this game. When you're playing vital group games and knockout matches the adrenaline and tension counts for a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, dllu said: I seem to recall a lot of England fans berating Denmark for not really trying to win against France a couple of days ago. Ah yes. How hollow that sounds now... The points already been made above but the people who did say that probably aren't the same people that are ok with it today, just so you know for future reference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Don't think we can play with just Henderson against Colombia but Dier didn't really stake a good claim to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, D_LO_ said: But Belgium, Croatia, France etc, etc, can? I love how all the rules are completely different for England. Did I say that Belgium did gain defensive routine? No. Why do you have to assume that I was taking shots at England? But if you think that games against Tunisia and Panama are good enough practice for stalwart defensive trio of Maguire-Stones-Walker, then so be it. France also looked subpar in offense, but solid defensively and played against a lot tougher opposition. Croatia's team has been together much longer than England's and they played two games against good opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Jamie Vardy will be using his Colombian contacts to get the inside scoop on their teams tactics and line up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJJ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, Paul Bacon said: Belgium did the same as us. Its just their B team is better than ours Not interested in Belgium to be honest. I'm interested in England. You go into any football match to win it. In international football it's very hard to get any continuity due to the lack of consistent fixtures at anyone time which is why you make the most of tournaments like this to get a consistent starting XI. You don't **** it all away when you've qualified "to get an easy run". Sooner or later you are going to face the big voys and even if not this world cup has shown surprises can happen. Just think it's completely stupid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I think we've made a mistake but all depends what happens on Tuesday night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Coulthard's Jaw said: I think we've made a mistake but all depends what happens on Tuesday night. But how will we know? We could have got knocked out by Japan. We'll never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjglvz Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, TioPatinhax said: England vs Colombia? Good, England will be knocked out as usual Well, every team gets knocked out. Except for the winner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, TioPatinhax said: England vs Colombia? Good, England will be knocked out as usual Except that time we didn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I love the Belgians, the pundits are saying "**** it we are better than Brazil, we can beat every team in this side of the draw, of course we go for the win, why would you not want to win a football game". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, ginnybob said: Except that time we didn't. Get rekt son Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readingfanman Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Yeah, that's exactly what they would say now they won, after giving it the big one all week about wanting to finish second Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Beat Columbia 60% and beat Swiss/swe 70% so probability if reaching semi = 42% in other half beat japan = 90%, beat brasil 30%. Reach semi = 27%. using estimated probabilities the bottom half is better for getting further. (Not taking account of the small prob that mex beat bra) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Readingfanman said: Yeah, that's exactly what they would say now they won, after giving it the big one all week about wanting to finish second How many Belgium pundits have you listened to this week? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 We'd probably be moaning if we won tonight, knackering out our first team for the knockouts. It's England. We're not supposed to be expecting much anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Sid1984 said: Beat Columbia 60% and beat Swiss/swe 70% so probability if reaching semi = 42% in other half beat japan = 90%, beat brasil 30%. Reach semi = 27%. using estimated probabilities the bottom half is better for getting further. (Not taking account of the small prob that mex beat bra) Sid logic has been established in this topic. Prepare to be assimilated, further discussion is futile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readingfanman Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, daylight said: How many Belgium pundits have you listened to this week? Just one - you've been posting on here all week against England x Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Readingfanman said: Just one - you've been posting on here all week against England x I'm neither Belgium and I have not been posting against England at all, I actually said it was refreshing this time with England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 How Dembele isn't in the Belgium starting 11 I'll never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Sid1984 said: Beat Columbia 60% and beat Swiss/swe 70% so probability if reaching semi = 42% in other half beat japan = 90%, beat brasil 30%. Reach semi = 27%. using estimated probabilities the bottom half is better for getting further. (Not taking account of the small prob that mex beat bra) That's quick maths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Highlight of the game. Michy Batshuayi smashing the ball off the post into his own face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Pukey said: How Dembele isn't in the Belgium starting 11 I'll never know. Yep they should move De Bruyne up (for Mertens). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm actually pretty annoyed. Southgate has tried to be clever and has ended up completely dropping a b*ll*ck. The mood around England goes from redhot to cold sick. We, and indeed the entire world, have discovered that our second XI are absolute dross (with the exception of Rose) I mean Wellbeck? What can he do? Jones & Cahill? Utter donkeys. Momentum? Gone. Slow hand clap for Mr. Southgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Stop trying to pretend your disappointed for losing. Your manager basically admitted you didnt want to win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 TBF Wellbeck didn't even make our reserve starting line up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc91 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Personally think losing on purpose is a ****** decision, and Columbia will make England regret it, but alas, it’s coming home! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjglvz Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Atarin said: I'm actually pretty annoyed. Southgate has tried to be clever and has ended up completely dropping a b*ll*ck. The mood around England goes from redhot to cold sick. We, and indeed the entire world, have discovered that our second XI are absolute dross (with the exception of Rose) I mean Wellbeck? What can he do? Jones & Cahill? Utter donkeys. Momentum? Gone. Slow hand clap for Mr. Southgate. I assume you're one of the "England must win every game 3-0, because we are England" crowd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 As an addendum, at least our first XI know that they can underperform and not be dropped, so again, well done Mr. Southgate. Well done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Atarin said: As an addendum, at least our first XI know that they can underperform and not be dropped, so again, well done Mr. Southgate. Well done. The first XI know if they underperform they're out of the competition you absolute clown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, jjglvz said: I assume you're one of the "England must win every game 3-0, because we are England" crowd Err, no. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Pukey said: Fair play to him! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readingfanman Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Atarin said: As an addendum, at least our first XI know that they can underperform and not be dropped, so again, well done Mr. Southgate. Well done. Upside though mate, we're **** and they only have one more game, so he wont have to worry about it after that will he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjglvz Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Atarin said: Err, no. Oh, sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Atarin said: I'm actually pretty annoyed. Southgate has tried to be clever and has ended up completely dropping a b*ll*ck. The mood around England goes from redhot to cold sick. We, and indeed the entire world, have discovered that our second XI are absolute dross (with the exception of Rose) I mean Wellbeck? What can he do? Jones & Cahill? Utter donkeys. Momentum? Gone. Slow hand clap for Mr. Southgate. Did you really need to see that game to come to that conclusion re. Cahill, Jones & Wellbeck? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Bootador said: Is that our MLG? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 we all know the tactics board was a world cup wallchart with southgate pointing at Sweden/switzerland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atarin Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, D_LO_ said: Did you really need to see that game to come to that conclusion re. Cahill, Jones & Wellbeck? Clearly not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 If we played our first team and one (Kane?) got injured people would have moaned. We made changes and people moaned. If we won people would have moaned that we have a harder route. We lose with a weaker team and people moan because our back up players didn't perform as well as the main group. Basically there was no way people wouldn't moan. I don't buy that we deliberately threw the game either. I think we tried to get the goal but there clearly wasn't the intensity if it were absolutely vital, which I think would be the same for any team in the same situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I don't buy that we literally tried to lose but we made absolutely no effort to win that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Pukey said: If we played our first team and one (Kane?) got injured people would have moaned. We made changes and people moaned. If we won people would have moaned that we have a harder route. We lose with a weaker team and people moan because our back up players didn't perform as well as the main group. Basically there was no way people wouldn't moan. I don't buy that we deliberately threw the game either. I think we tried to get the goal but there clearly wasn't the intensity if it were absolutely vital, which I think would be the same for any team in the same situation. Yeah, it felt like the intensity of a last day match between midtable sides. Neither team were going all out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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