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South Park episode The Losing Edge so appropriate right now :D

 

 

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15 minutes ago, Mark H said:

you play whoever you play, and I wouldn't want to try and manipulate that. 

Why not though?

How many times have a team won the FA Cup and everyone says "well they only won it because they had a good run to the final". It's widely accepted that drawing comparatively weaker teams in a cup run increases the odds of winning the tournament, and it's a great feeling when the team you support get such luck.

Imagine being able to control that, how amazing would that be! You can actually choose to play a weaker team if you like! Dependant on this afternoon, England could have the opportunity to make that choice, and they absolutely should. I mean, why wouldn't you?

I feel like some sort of Nigel Farage character in this thread. Plenty of people saying "we should rotate", "we shouldn't actively try to win" but, with the exception of myself, stopping well short of saying you know what we should try to make sure we lose this game... which we should!

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10 minutes ago, Wigmore said:

Why not though?

How many times have a team won the FA Cup and everyone says "well they only won it because they had a good run to the final". It's widely accepted that drawing comparatively weaker teams in a cup run increases the odds of winning the tournament, and it's a great feeling when the team you support get such luck.

Imagine being able to control that, how amazing would that be! You can actually choose to play a weaker team if you like! Dependant on this afternoon, England could have the opportunity to make that choice, and they absolutely should. I mean, why wouldn't you?

I feel like some sort of Nigel Farage character in this thread. Plenty of people saying "we should rotate", "we shouldn't actively try to win" but, with the exception of myself, stopping well short of saying you know what we should try to make sure we lose this game... which we should!

I genuinely get your reasoning, and part of me likes it. But I don't know how you train that into the players. I would just play to win, and whatever will be will be. Cheers for the food for thought tho (Y)

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50 minutes ago, JDownie said:

South Park episode The Losing Edge so appropriate right now :D

 

 

Southgate playing the role of Randy then?

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55 minutes ago, craigcwwe said:

Yeah I saw that but there's bound to be a booking or two in the game and they have to prove it was deliberate. Are they just going to assume any yellows in the game were pre-planned? 

The odd thing about it is that it's probably an incentive to do some deliberate bad tackling, because that looks much less like a cynical deliberate booking than timewasting or kicking the ball away

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You are bound to play one or more of the stronger sides in the competition anyway at some point. Conversely, don't you want to beat the best competitive teams anyway so there is no doubt you deserved to win the competition? 

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5 minutes ago, AJJ said:

Conversely, don't you want to beat the best competitive teams anyway so there is no doubt you deserved to win the competition? 

That would be ideal, but this is England we're talking about, and I haven't watched us win a knockout game in 12 years. I just want us to get deep into the tournament by any means necessary :D 

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17 minutes ago, Wigmore said:

That would be ideal, but this is England we're talking about, and I haven't watched us win a knockout game in 12 years. I just want us to get deep into the tournament by any means necessary :D 

Agreed - if we win the World Cup, who the **** cares who we beat?

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If Tunisia and Panama draw, Egypt will be the only team with 0 points.

I think Tunisia will probably win though.

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TBH if games continue the way they have been, Tunisia-Panama might be the most exciting game.

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I'd prefer to face Japan in the 2nd round, and Brazil in the QF than Colombia in the 2nd round and Sweden/Switzerland in the QF.

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8 changes :D

Well that's that part settled. 

Let's win this 

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Already told me mum that if England vs Belgium is a bore fest I'm turning over to Tunisia-Panama. Because neither side wants to go home with nothing they'll both be going all out and that should be entertaining.

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Martinez is going for it:

Roberto Martinez: "We want to perform well but the priority is not to win.

"The reality is we put ourselves in this situation, we wanted to qualify and we have done that. There are players with yellow cards and I don't think it would be professional for us to put those players in a risk to miss the knockout phase.

"It is very important for us to protect and give every player the best possible programme to be in the best condition in the knockout game."

 

Edited by Tiger666

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19 minutes ago, Heartwork said:

Already told me mum that if England vs Belgium is a bore fest I'm turning over to Tunisia-Panama. Because neither side wants to go home with nothing they'll both be going all out and that should be entertaining.

Panama will be too busy kicking the **** out of their opponents. I don't think they know how else to play.

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21 minutes ago, Heartwork said:

Already told me mum that if England vs Belgium is a bore fest I'm turning over to Tunisia-Panama. Because neither side wants to go home with nothing they'll both be going all out and that should be entertaining.

Shock, hispter.

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14 minutes ago, Tiger666 said:

Martinez is going for it:

Roberto Martinez: "We want to perform well but the priority is not to win.

"The reality is we put ourselves in this situation, we wanted to qualify and we have done that. There are players with yellow cards and I don't think it would be professional for us to put those players in a risk to miss the knockout phase.

"It is very important for us to protect and give every player the best possible programme to be in the best condition in the knockout game."

 

WTF? I missed that. Even if you don't say it to your team it can't do wonders. 


LADS, lose this one because you can't beat Brazil or France in the quarters. 

It's pretty pathetic and that's my concern, I wouldn't lose for my 5aside team if someone told me we would get a slightly easier tie in the next round... MADNESS :D:D

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1 minute ago, pearcey_90 said:

Shock, hispter.

I'd rather watch the chaos of that game to two teams just passing it around trying their best not to win.

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Just now, Heartwork said:

I'd rather watch the chaos of that game to two teams just passing it around trying their best not to win.

Sounds like a free win for England if we want it. 

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Also, how do the players understand that. Let England in. 

'Yo, KOMPANY, HERE!' 'Let Vardy past you if he gets in' 

'If you get chance to make a tackle, dive out of it' 

Or is it all a deliberate ruse to make us comfy and then to smash us!? 

 

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18 minutes ago, Tiger666 said:

Martinez is going for it:

Roberto Martinez: "We want to perform well but the priority is not to win.

"The reality is we put ourselves in this situation, we wanted to qualify and we have done that. There are players with yellow cards and I don't think it would be professional for us to put those players in a risk to miss the knockout phase.

"It is very important for us to protect and give every player the best possible programme to be in the best condition in the knockout game."

 

Whether we as fans think it or perhaps even behind close doors England think it, but to come out and say that makes me think Belgium haven't got the right attitude to win it all. 

As wet as Neymar blubbering after the Costa Rica game.

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If ever there was a no win game this is it, in terms of result and performance. Can't see England not getting criticised any which way. 

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Just now, ginnybob said:

Whether we as fans think it or perhaps even behind close doors England think it, but to come out and say that makes me think Belgium haven't got the right attitude to win it all. 

As wet as Neymar blubbering after the Costa Rica game.

This. I'd be well annoyed if my manager told me to lose, shows no belief you can beat any team to become World Champions... 

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You're interpreting it wrong. He's not saying he doesn't want to win.

He's just saying winning is not their priority for this game. Their priority is to keep their players in the best condition for the knockout game.

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That still makes them sound like a set of wet bastards.

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striking pair are simply a 12 year old's dream in FIFA, lots of pace.  Don't think they'd use Cahill or Jones though at the back

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Nothing wrong with the line up. Excluding Kane its not massively weaker, but we now have more pace up front.. We're a squad full of similar abilities. 

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Just now, TM said:

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striking pair are simply a 12 year old's dream in FIFA, lots of pace.  Don't think they'd use Cahill or Jones though at the back

Enter Chris Smalldini. 

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Belgium to line up in a 3 6 1 formation with no wide defenders?! T Hazard and Chadli as wingbacks?

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England are going to finish top of this group, no doubt. 

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In fact, I think it should be a cracking 3-3 draw tonight. There's no way this is going to be 0-0 with those lineups. 

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1 minute ago, Bliss Seeker said:

I'm so chilled :cool:

 

What is this feeling? I'm not used to it :D

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Wouldn't surprise me if both sides just sat in their own half all game.

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Just now, Mark H said:

What is this feeling? I'm not used to it :D

I know, it's great :)

 

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I think that this will surprisingly be a very entertaining game.

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1 minute ago, Bliss Seeker said:

I'm so chilled :cool:

 

I'm boringly chilled. It's all a bit meh this.

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10 minutes ago, TM said:

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striking pair are simply a 12 year old's dream in FIFA, lots of pace.  Don't think they'd use Cahill or Jones though at the back

I count 6 players who can (or have primarily) operate as defenders in that starting XI.

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4 minutes ago, Bliss Seeker said:

Januzaj :D

 

Wow I thought he got left out. At least they won't be scoring with Michy up front if he carries on the form he showed against Tunisia.

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