JD nawrat Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 South Park episode The Losing Edge so appropriate right now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigmore Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 15 minutes ago, Mark H said: you play whoever you play, and I wouldn't want to try and manipulate that. Why not though? How many times have a team won the FA Cup and everyone says "well they only won it because they had a good run to the final". It's widely accepted that drawing comparatively weaker teams in a cup run increases the odds of winning the tournament, and it's a great feeling when the team you support get such luck. Imagine being able to control that, how amazing would that be! You can actually choose to play a weaker team if you like! Dependant on this afternoon, England could have the opportunity to make that choice, and they absolutely should. I mean, why wouldn't you? I feel like some sort of Nigel Farage character in this thread. Plenty of people saying "we should rotate", "we shouldn't actively try to win" but, with the exception of myself, stopping well short of saying you know what we should try to make sure we lose this game... which we should! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, Wigmore said: Why not though? How many times have a team won the FA Cup and everyone says "well they only won it because they had a good run to the final". It's widely accepted that drawing comparatively weaker teams in a cup run increases the odds of winning the tournament, and it's a great feeling when the team you support get such luck. Imagine being able to control that, how amazing would that be! You can actually choose to play a weaker team if you like! Dependant on this afternoon, England could have the opportunity to make that choice, and they absolutely should. I mean, why wouldn't you? I feel like some sort of Nigel Farage character in this thread. Plenty of people saying "we should rotate", "we shouldn't actively try to win" but, with the exception of myself, stopping well short of saying you know what we should try to make sure we lose this game... which we should! I genuinely get your reasoning, and part of me likes it. But I don't know how you train that into the players. I would just play to win, and whatever will be will be. Cheers for the food for thought tho (Y) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Both teams hoping for 2nd place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 50 minutes ago, JDownie said: South Park episode The Losing Edge so appropriate right now Southgate playing the role of Randy then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 55 minutes ago, craigcwwe said: Yeah I saw that but there's bound to be a booking or two in the game and they have to prove it was deliberate. Are they just going to assume any yellows in the game were pre-planned? The odd thing about it is that it's probably an incentive to do some deliberate bad tackling, because that looks much less like a cynical deliberate booking than timewasting or kicking the ball away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJJ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 You are bound to play one or more of the stronger sides in the competition anyway at some point. Conversely, don't you want to beat the best competitive teams anyway so there is no doubt you deserved to win the competition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigmore Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, AJJ said: Conversely, don't you want to beat the best competitive teams anyway so there is no doubt you deserved to win the competition? That would be ideal, but this is England we're talking about, and I haven't watched us win a knockout game in 12 years. I just want us to get deep into the tournament by any means necessary Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Readingfanman Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 17 minutes ago, Wigmore said: That would be ideal, but this is England we're talking about, and I haven't watched us win a knockout game in 12 years. I just want us to get deep into the tournament by any means necessary Agreed - if we win the World Cup, who the **** cares who we beat? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaceCrusher Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 If Tunisia and Panama draw, Egypt will be the only team with 0 points. I think Tunisia will probably win though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 TBH if games continue the way they have been, Tunisia-Panama might be the most exciting game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
decapitated Posted June 28, 2018 Author Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'd prefer to face Japan in the 2nd round, and Brazil in the QF than Colombia in the 2nd round and Sweden/Switzerland in the QF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 8 changes Well that's that part settled. Let's win this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 8 changes for England it sounds like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 This montage on the BBC is a mess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Already told me mum that if England vs Belgium is a bore fest I'm turning over to Tunisia-Panama. Because neither side wants to go home with nothing they'll both be going all out and that should be entertaining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger666 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Martinez is going for it: Roberto Martinez: "We want to perform well but the priority is not to win. "The reality is we put ourselves in this situation, we wanted to qualify and we have done that. There are players with yellow cards and I don't think it would be professional for us to put those players in a risk to miss the knockout phase. "It is very important for us to protect and give every player the best possible programme to be in the best condition in the knockout game." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashidi Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I wonder what the odds of an own goal are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 19 minutes ago, Heartwork said: Already told me mum that if England vs Belgium is a bore fest I'm turning over to Tunisia-Panama. Because neither side wants to go home with nothing they'll both be going all out and that should be entertaining. Panama will be too busy kicking the **** out of their opponents. I don't think they know how else to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pearcey_90 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, Heartwork said: Already told me mum that if England vs Belgium is a bore fest I'm turning over to Tunisia-Panama. Because neither side wants to go home with nothing they'll both be going all out and that should be entertaining. Shock, hispter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Tiger666 said: Martinez is going for it: Roberto Martinez: "We want to perform well but the priority is not to win. "The reality is we put ourselves in this situation, we wanted to qualify and we have done that. There are players with yellow cards and I don't think it would be professional for us to put those players in a risk to miss the knockout phase. "It is very important for us to protect and give every player the best possible programme to be in the best condition in the knockout game." WTF? I missed that. Even if you don't say it to your team it can't do wonders. LADS, lose this one because you can't beat Brazil or France in the quarters. It's pretty pathetic and that's my concern, I wouldn't lose for my 5aside team if someone told me we would get a slightly easier tie in the next round... MADNESS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, pearcey_90 said: Shock, hispter. I'd rather watch the chaos of that game to two teams just passing it around trying their best not to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Hope Colombia knock out Belgium in the R16. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Heartwork said: I'd rather watch the chaos of that game to two teams just passing it around trying their best not to win. Sounds like a free win for England if we want it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Also, how do the players understand that. Let England in. 'Yo, KOMPANY, HERE!' 'Let Vardy past you if he gets in' 'If you get chance to make a tackle, dive out of it' Or is it all a deliberate ruse to make us comfy and then to smash us!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 18 minutes ago, Tiger666 said: Martinez is going for it: Roberto Martinez: "We want to perform well but the priority is not to win. "The reality is we put ourselves in this situation, we wanted to qualify and we have done that. There are players with yellow cards and I don't think it would be professional for us to put those players in a risk to miss the knockout phase. "It is very important for us to protect and give every player the best possible programme to be in the best condition in the knockout game." Whether we as fans think it or perhaps even behind close doors England think it, but to come out and say that makes me think Belgium haven't got the right attitude to win it all. As wet as Neymar blubbering after the Costa Rica game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 If ever there was a no win game this is it, in terms of result and performance. Can't see England not getting criticised any which way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, ginnybob said: Whether we as fans think it or perhaps even behind close doors England think it, but to come out and say that makes me think Belgium haven't got the right attitude to win it all. As wet as Neymar blubbering after the Costa Rica game. This. I'd be well annoyed if my manager told me to lose, shows no belief you can beat any team to become World Champions... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaceCrusher Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 You're interpreting it wrong. He's not saying he doesn't want to win. He's just saying winning is not their priority for this game. Their priority is to keep their players in the best condition for the knockout game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger666 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 That still makes them sound like a set of wet bastards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 striking pair are simply a 12 year old's dream in FIFA, lots of pace. Don't think they'd use Cahill or Jones though at the back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Nothing wrong with the line up. Excluding Kane its not massively weaker, but we now have more pace up front.. We're a squad full of similar abilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, TM said: striking pair are simply a 12 year old's dream in FIFA, lots of pace. Don't think they'd use Cahill or Jones though at the back Enter Chris Smalldini. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Belgium to line up in a 3 6 1 formation with no wide defenders?! T Hazard and Chadli as wingbacks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_LO_ Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 England are going to finish top of this group, no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I'm so chilled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 In fact, I think it should be a cracking 3-3 draw tonight. There's no way this is going to be 0-0 with those lineups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pukey said: Januzaj Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Bliss Seeker said: I'm so chilled What is this feeling? I'm not used to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nordan Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Wouldn't surprise me if both sides just sat in their own half all game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Just now, Mark H said: What is this feeling? I'm not used to it I know, it's great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I think that this will surprisingly be a very entertaining game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Moores Mum Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Bliss Seeker said: I'm so chilled I'm boringly chilled. It's all a bit meh this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark H Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Don't be Meh?! Footballs Coming Home! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, TM said: striking pair are simply a 12 year old's dream in FIFA, lots of pace. Don't think they'd use Cahill or Jones though at the back I count 6 players who can (or have primarily) operate as defenders in that starting XI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 3-0 Rashford hat-trick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bliss Seeker said: Januzaj Wow I thought he got left out. At least they won't be scoring with Michy up front if he carries on the form he showed against Tunisia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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