nuzik Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 not sure if anyone has experienced this before. Ive got the latest imac i5 16gb ram and the Radeon 4gb 750 card so its not really a slouch and should cope fine. it started to run a little slow and the processor on utilities shows over 100%! when loading up its 199 and then when loaded its 109! it seems a little high to me to be honest. ive not had this issue on my pc which is running i7 2600k 16gb ram and a 1070 8gb card im finding it hard to believe my 6 year old processor is better than the new i5 both do have lots of extra graphics added. any suggestions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XaW Posted April 18, 2018 Share Posted April 18, 2018 Does this happen only when playing FM? Not when you are playing other games or doing other CPU heavy things? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuzik Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 Only tried FM it's a Mac who plays games on a Mac!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Lucas Posted April 18, 2018 Administrators Share Posted April 18, 2018 What is the game doing when it reaches this point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuzik Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 It's almost as soon as it starts up. It just seems dead slow compared to the pc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted April 18, 2018 SI Staff Share Posted April 18, 2018 The scales Apple and Microsoft use are different. Microsoft show it as dividing 100% between all the cores your CPU has. Apple shows it as 100% per core, so if you maxed all 4 cores you'd get 400% CPU which wiould just be 100% on Windows Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuzik Posted April 18, 2018 Author Share Posted April 18, 2018 Ok so if I'm using 109% that's using just over one core? I'll try and play some more tonight and see how it is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.panda Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 It is completely normal to have more than 100% CPU in Mac, the algorithm is simply different from PC. The game being dead slow may be due to the fact it is Mac and not utilised for gaming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LCpl Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 13 hours ago, a.panda said: It is completely normal to have more than 100% CPU in Mac, the algorithm is simply different from PC. The game being dead slow may be due to the fact it is Mac and not utilised for gaming. Also inherently terrible cooling which is useless under loads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transk53 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 17 hours ago, a.panda said: It is completely normal to have more than 100% CPU in Mac, the algorithm is simply different from PC. The game being dead slow may be due to the fact it is Mac and not utilised for gaming. I suppose there is only so much a Mac user can do to optimise then. But generally speaking the OS isn’t designed for gaming then, which I guess is obvious, but FM not optimised for a Mac? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted April 20, 2018 Administrators Share Posted April 20, 2018 FM has been optimised for best performance on Mac. This may cause the system to use a lot of resources and be quite demanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.panda Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 9 hours ago, LCpl said: Also inherently terrible cooling which is useless under loads. 4 hours ago, Transk53 said: I suppose there is only so much a Mac user can do to optimise then. But generally speaking the OS isn’t designed for gaming then, which I guess is obvious, but FM not optimised for a Mac? Indeed, the thing is that Mac is quite good in self-monitoring itself and the applications. You can consider it to be good if you see the terrible cooling do not, normally, freeze (!) the system or shut it down. And somehow I have never had a single crash dump for the last 8 years with different versions of FM, running huge database and/or 20+years into the game. On the other hand the system is overly protective in terms of application limits. For example I cannot load all of the classen (sp) league packs from the editor section, FM simply crashes at different stages. I have reported it in bugs forum but SI couldn't do anything. Turns out MacOS self imposes a limit in terms of number of files allowed from one application to open/alter, and 225 editor files are already deemed too many. At the end a few tweaks in the core system files and I can start a new game with all the editor files used. Regarding if FM optimising for Mac, my instinct is no, but as SI staff say so, I have no qualms (like an outgoing loanee talking to manager!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuzik Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 Seems to have worked fine once loaded. The 3d graphics aren't as good for some reason the 570 4gb isn't enough for this demanding game. Frame rate and buffer issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pw75 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, nuzik said: Seems to have worked fine once loaded. The 3d graphics aren't as good for some reason the 570 4gb isn't enough for this demanding game. Frame rate and buffer issues. I would suggest, if it buffers or lags, to tone down the graphics detail level. My PC is old and the game always pre-sets the graphics ability too high but if I change it to 'medium' the game in 3D flows better without the niggling lags/glitches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transk53 Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 6 hours ago, a.panda said: Indeed, the thing is that Mac is quite good in self-monitoring itself and the applications. You can consider it to be good if you see the terrible cooling do not, normally, freeze (!) the system or shut it down. And somehow I have never had a single crash dump for the last 8 years with different versions of FM, running huge database and/or 20+years into the game. On the other hand the system is overly protective in terms of application limits. For example I cannot load all of the classen (sp) league packs from the editor section, FM simply crashes at different stages. I have reported it in bugs forum but SI couldn't do anything. Turns out MacOS self imposes a limit in terms of number of files allowed from one application to open/alter, and 225 editor files are already deemed too many. At the end a few tweaks in the core system files and I can start a new game with all the editor files used. Regarding if FM optimising for Mac, my instinct is no, but as SI staff say so, I have no qualms (like an outgoing loanee talking to manager!) Yeah I did think that the OS would be a bit tricky. I didn’t know about the file limits though, so thanks for sharing that. I do covet one of AIOnes with the 5k retina screens, although seemingly mega expensive at four and a half grand, probably not considering if I built another rig with the equivalent monitor res and such like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.panda Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 4 hours ago, Transk53 said: Yeah I did think that the OS would be a bit tricky. I didn’t know about the file limits though, so thanks for sharing that. In case you (or anyone) need this piece of information: https://superuser.com/questions/836883/increasing-yosemite-maxfile-limit-for-application Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuzik Posted April 21, 2018 Author Share Posted April 21, 2018 22 hours ago, pw75 said: I would suggest, if it buffers or lags, to tone down the graphics detail level. My PC is old and the game always pre-sets the graphics ability too high but if I change it to 'medium' the game in 3D flows better without the niggling lags/glitches. I find it hard that a 570 4gb card can't cope with the preset graphics. It's hardly the most demanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transk53 Posted April 21, 2018 Share Posted April 21, 2018 17 hours ago, a.panda said: In case you (or anyone) need this piece of information: https://superuser.com/questions/836883/increasing-yosemite-maxfile-limit-for-application Thanks a.panda, Bookmarked that until I can get to a printer. Never worked on a Mac back in the day, but suppose these days there is more than a 1 in 10 chance of coming across one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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