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  1. 1. What is your Favorite FM Series

    • FM06
      4
    • FM07
      19
    • FM08
      22
    • FM09
      6
    • FM10
      15
    • FM11
      11
    • FM12
      66
    • FM13
      21
    • FM14
      16
    • FM15
      24
    • FM16
      17
    • FM17
      43
    • FM18
      38


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3 hours ago, HUNT3R said:

Did you manage in Germany out of interest?

I can see how that happens, as all the other AI teams would just be completely defensive against them in every match, even the teams you'd consider at least close to Bayern's level.

 

Yes, pretty much. Naturally happened in long-term saves too if you climbed up top a bit... I still maintain that the more extreme (defensive) ends are even used too readily in current editions. They are a big part if you ask me why you have the relegation fodder oft sitting at a miserably 5% long-term shot conversion. :)

 

25 minutes ago, vishers said:

I had an aging but pacy striker on 10 who I could instruct, using the sliders, to sit on the halfway line looking for a break away if we were holding onto a lead in the last few minutes of a game. Nothing fancy, just sit on the half way line. On fm 16 & 17 I could find no simple way of asking a similar attacker to do the same thing without having to change my entire teams shape. He would invariably drift back and help out. If someone can show me a way to do this simple player instruction on a recent fm then I’m very happy to stand corrected

I'm a bit surprised as forwards not getting overly much engaged / dropping deeper on defending has been a constant topic for the past few versions. :) Somebody even coinned a term for that kind of thing on these boards. Why only one striker staying up? You can have The Three Fishermen. :D 

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fm12 was the pinnacle of fun from the game and tactital management mixed together. Maybe the newer fm's are more depth, have more tactical options and so on but fm12 gave me so much fun. I miss the fun now. 

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Would be quite intrigued to see how what age everyone was for the 'favourite version' they played. I've got a soft spot for some of the older ones simply because I had loads of free time to play them and got a great career going. 

Much easier to invest hours into a game when you're a single bum student rather than say with a full-time job and girlfriend/wife etc :D 

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8 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

Would be quite intrigued to see how what age everyone was for the 'favourite version' they played. I've got a soft spot for some of the older ones simply because I had loads of free time to play them and got a great career going. 

Much easier to invest hours into a game when you're a single bum student rather than say with a full-time job and girlfriend/wife etc :D 

FM12 is my favourite and I was in my mid 60's when I started playing it

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44 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

Would be quite intrigued to see how what age everyone was for the 'favourite version' they played. I've got a soft spot for some of the older ones simply because I had loads of free time to play them and got a great career going. 

Much easier to invest hours into a game when you're a single bum student rather than say with a full-time job and girlfriend/wife etc :D 

Ditch the wife or girlfriend LOLOL but it was FM15 for me when I was a young 53 year old 

 

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47 minutes ago, Neil Brock said:

Would be quite intrigued to see how what age everyone was for the 'favourite version' they played. I've got a soft spot for some of the older ones simply because I had loads of free time to play them and got a great career going. 

Much easier to invest hours into a game when you're a single bum student rather than say with a full-time job and girlfriend/wife etc :D 

Voted for FM2007, was 18 at the time, and yes, it`s the one I played more than any other edition, mainly because it was the last game of the series my old PC could run until I got a new one in 2010. I played that game for more than 3 years, so it`s the one I enjoyed most.

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5 hours ago, Neil Brock said:

Would be quite intrigued to see how what age everyone was for the 'favourite version' they played. 

So that being FM15, I was 40 years old, and still playing it now. :)

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6 hours ago, Neil Brock said:

Would be quite intrigued to see how what age everyone was for the 'favourite version' they played. I've got a soft spot for some of the older ones simply because I had loads of free time to play them and got a great career going. 

Much easier to invest hours into a game when you're a single bum student rather than say with a full-time job and girlfriend/wife etc :D 

So it turns out that the happiest days of my fm career was just before my current ex girlfriend relationship.

Thanks Neil :D

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9 hours ago, Neil Brock said:

Would be quite intrigued to see how what age everyone was for the 'favourite version' they played. I've got a soft spot for some of the older ones simply because I had loads of free time to play them and got a great career going. 

Much easier to invest hours into a game when you're a single bum student rather than say with a full-time job and girlfriend/wife etc :D 

Yep I was 16 for 08 and 19 for 11 single student bum time!

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20 hours ago, Svenc said:

It's not one situation, it's several if you click through Morata's shots also on that understat link. Those are all fairly typical ratings for a one on one. We used to have guys here arguing that they are converted at 1 in 4 rates! The finisher makes a difference, that's meant to be one of the uses of such metrics (which also have limitations): Whether they long-term outperform their "score" or whether they underperform. Short-term: Ronaldo had underperformed his xG at the start of this year by -10 goals, which is pretty massive, but you may have heard of his curious drought -- certainly big time contributing to Real Madrid's point drops in the league, no less as he gets by far Madrid's most finishes... that was basically 100 shots for 3 goals (+1 a penalty),... Don't think that's possible in FM, either way (perhaps for the better). Some guy did a video on Youtube showing half of those shots in sequence and numbering them, curiously his account was suspended a few weeks ago, that was a massive vid. :D In general managers spend millions on going a few extra percent, or try to on any competitive level, not getting large scale boosts to another level.

Online it's hard to find published stuff, but this is all pretty much in line with anything that's ever been researched, be that from Pollard, Ensum, Taylor at all. Even for a shot to be considered anything better than a 1 in 10 chance (pretty much your average shot cnoversion), the forward has typically be to be in range and in space. SI are officially teamed up with STATS -- if they get wrong data here, then we're screwed. :D  Opta "Big Chances" include one on ones, but also anything from close range. I also would not be tempted to compare it to FM's CCC, which has been all over the place. Picking things up that are comparably hard vs. not picking stuff up that is comparably more easy.... from playing experience also. This assist for instance isn't only played straight into the forwards running path, he can finish with the first touch and the ball instantly changes direction, far tougher than a one on one for the keeper... more like a one on zero. Still not counted as a CCC. Whereas, this kind of one on one, from a narrow central position, into the forwards back, forcing him to turn and shoot and the keeper allowing to come off his line, has always been a comparably difficult one -- just my own personal playing experience. You can still convert in between 50% to over 60% of your seasonal FM CCCs (FM18). Earlier iterations rated far more silly stuff as a CCC.

It's a topic that interests me. I'd even contaced guys who analyze, and they would confirm me that people tend to overestimate any attempt, and that our perception is flawed by how football is being represented in the media (highlight reels showing goals, goals, goals etc.). I'd argue it's gotten me a bit of a better understanding of my results even, plus scoring streaks, despite FM's shortcomings and limitations. I'm advocating for there to be better feedback. No less as half of the post match reports you've ever gotten hadn't made much sense. Basically, if on FM a side had more shots and didn't win or struggled to score a fistful, it was either unlucky or wasteful. Not at all always the case. In particular if you're a team on the counter/parking the bus, that can be hugely misleading, with the game constantly telling you you were just lucky to not concede. :( FM doesn't make the most simplistic distinctions, whether a shot was from a set piece (typically pressured header in a jam packed box), counter attack (says it all), open play, anything.

@Rashidi If you ever find that song, let me know please! Sounds hilarious. :D

 

I guess that's one study and the models differ...though probably not that much. That pedro one on one rating is just for that chance itself based on that situation and to be frank...I don't consider that a strong one on one or even a great situation given the angle he's coming from and rate at which defenders can close in so that's a high rate of .35 which would imply higher ratings centrally from similar distance so of course it depends on situation. As far as I know most Xg calcs don't factor in proximity of defender so these stats are averages for situational football...a good one on one I would deem to have more time when through and ones I was referring to in FM certainly were more central and player more time than that pedro example which would all contribute to a higher than 1 in 3 calculation for Xg.

 

As for ronaldo..they essentially play the same with with Ronaldo in the team or not early when they were struggling so that would indicate it wasn't actually ronaldo that was making a difference to their form rather madrid just weren't playing well (though I think I recall an article from ballague where he said madrid were creating chances just not finishing them and that didn't change when ronaldo came back into the team...that was earlyish in season...maybe late sept or so) and not suffering solely as a result of ronaldo missing chances...ie they were missing chances with him there and not there...and you'll see below his finishing rate Vs Xg isn't any better than other madrid players recent seasons...bar benzema...it's actually worse !!!

If you look at ronaldo's goals scored on your expected goals panel you'll see most of his goals are inside the box and from watching games you'll see ronaldo benefits enormously from being in a dominant teams and gets slotted in to finish off moves. Another thing Ronaldo demands (ancedotally at least) is that players like benzema et al vacate the lanes he runs into as he wants to finish the chances...didn't he have javier hernandez shipped out as he was most likely to make runs ronaldo makes.   

Interesingly I've just looked at the expected goals thing and ronaldo over the 4 years of understat info and its revealing

In la liga...he scored 120 goals his xg is 119 so 101% of his expected goals scored

So I decided to check out other players stats...

Messi                                       114% of xg scored

Harry Kane                             120% of xg scored

Aguero                                    106%            

bale                                         117%

benzema                                 96%       scored 53 xg 55

morata                                    120%    

 

Also other madrid players of last few seasons jese 160% and javier hernandez 150%, morata at madrid in 2016/17 scored 157% of his xg

So it's obvious madrid create high quality chances generally...while at madrid all but benzema outperform ronaldo in terms in finishing his chances in terms of Xg...so this indicates its madrid which makes ronaldo rather than ronaldo that makes madrid. These numbers are useful for making non perception based conclusions...madrid are creating the chances the finishing of the other players indicates madrid would continue to score and perform well in ronaldos absence. I do think ronaldo movement is exceptional but he's moving into channels other players are restricted from moving into by ronaldo so that's not to say others wouldn't score the quantum of goals ronaldo is doing but would ronaldo score the same number of goals at a team less dominate and less creative than madrid...it's highly unlikely

Perhaps madrid over season ronaldo missing chances affected them in that ronaldo gets most of the chances (by demand) but ronaldo this season in la liga is 65% of his xg so down on previous seasons but benzema is at 34% of his xg or one third of his normal output...overall I don't think madrid have played particularly well and they may have benefited from letting other players run into channels ronaldo did (tho not benzema this season either)...so an element of ronaldo missing chances in fairness but at madrid ronaldo isn't really finishing his Xg at a rate any higher than any other madrid player just that he demands benzema, bale etc vacate his running channels so he ensures he gets the best chances and the most...so really they may have been more successful leaving ronaldo out of the team.

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, akkm said:

I guess that's one study and the models differ...though probably not that much. That pedro one on one rating is just for that chance itself based on that situation and to be frank...I don't consider that a strong one on one or even a great situation given the angle he's coming from and rate at which defenders can close in so that's a high rate of .35 which would imply higher ratings centrally from similar distance so of course it depends on situation. As far as I know most Xg calcs don't factor in proximity of defender so these stats are averages for situational football...a good one on one I would deem to have more time when through and ones I was referring to in FM certainly were more central and player more time than that pedro example which would all contribute to a higher than 1 in 3 calculation for Xg.

Yeah there's a difference. A few fall arguably more in line with a 1 in 5 chance too, in particular such where the forward has no angle to work with. The important bit is still this

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I have never seeing anybody doing any research or doing anlaysis arguing completely different numbers. The punchline is that on competitive levels, outside of penalties and tap-ins, to simplify, the forward is not favoured to score. There was a former mod here who presented similar figures, and collected them when reporting engine issues to SI afaik. When talking about specific players, I think the game will always be limited here in how it may model different player characteristics -- or the extremes. For instance, some players may completely rely on reasonably bigger chances to score, others may carve opportunity out of nothing. Morata may actually be as terrible as the media and public made him out to be when put through one on one. But this was after I think two or three weeks in a row where he didn't converted such chances.  I'm more inclined to go with the above guys... 

Btw, Ronaldo has "magically" started scoring loads since the beginning of January. Slightly reminded me of Dortmunds 2014/2015 season... looking at the data and some of those miserably matches, despite their issues that season they didn't near look as if they were a bottom of the table team -- which by February 2015, they were, 18th! As the article argues, finishing streaks are comparably common in football, and such a run cannot be just explained by a drastic decline. Even the worst forward would have likely scored a few goals added, and that was still Ronaldo. Crystal Palace had a real bad one at the start of this season too -- scoring 0 goals from over 100 attempts... I don't think anything like that has ever been in the game though. Perhaps it's better that way too for our nerves either way. :)
 

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Im just glad that the FM most played by me (more than 3 thousand hours) is on the top of the poll. FM12 forever.

I have FM12, FM15 and FM17&18. Skip 13,14 and 16. Looking at the poll i was totally right. Spot on.

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On 2/24/2018 at 09:11, Altair said:

Im just glad that the FM most played by me (more than 3 thousand hours) is on the top of the poll. FM12 forever.

I have FM12, FM15 and FM17&18. Skip 13,14 and 16. Looking at the poll i was totally right. Spot on.

Again, the actual best version (FML) isn't listed, so I consider this poll null and void. :p

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Football Manager Live, aka "pretty much my entire life" between 2009 and mid-2011. Featuring stadium building, different fanbases, youth academies, and all kinds of user-created content. Plus developments which ultimately became the popular FM12 match engine.

Most addictive thing I've ever known, despite the flaws- just unfortunately never found a way of making it sustainable.

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Of what little of FM I have (17 and 18), I tend to enjoy the latter more as I am performing better in that game, winning my first proper silverware on it and all... Yet 17 has the more convinient and nicer-looking menu's, less bumps and small bugs along the way. I suck VERY hard at it but I think that as soon as I stop doing that, 2018 is toast.

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On 26/02/2018 at 14:37, d d said:

Does anyone know how to make FM12 windowed and the writing bigger. Its so small in windowed mode.

 

Change the resolution on your PC. 

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I voted three games - FM08, FM15 & FM16. Although I have all the FM games from FM08 - FM17, these 3 has special position in my heart.

FM08: This was my first Football Manager game, I played management games for many years but FM08 was my first introduction to SI (beforehand I used to play Soccer World Manager and EA's Total Club Manager till 2007). So this game will always have special place in my heart. 

FM15: The best FM in my opinion which has solid match engine, dynamic reputation and league add/remove features. Not too much forced player/press interaction. I have played FM15 highest number of hours.  

FM16: Last year I moved back to FM16 after got bored with FM17, and I found renewed love for FM16. I detest social feature of FM17 and FM16 is everything FM17 except social feature. It has become new darling in my life now.

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6 hours ago, Arijit said:

I voted three games - FM08, FM15 & FM16. Although I have all the FM games from FM08 - FM17, these 3 has special position in my heart.

FM08: This was my first Football Manager game, I played management games for many years but FM08 was my first introduction to SI (beforehand I used to play Soccer World Manager and EA's Total Club Manager till 2007). So this game will always have special place in my heart. 

FM15: The best FM in my opinion which has solid match engine, dynamic reputation and league add/remove features. Not too much forced player/press interaction. I have played FM15 highest number of hours.  

FM16: Last year I moved back to FM16 after got bored with FM17, and I found renewed love for FM16. I detest social feature of FM17 and FM16 is everything FM17 except social feature. It has become new darling in my life now.

Yeah the social feature is a waste of time . They need to delete some features that are just a bore

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