MikeCollins Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Hello, My question: is it tactically sound to be using 2 x Carrilero next to each other in a two-man Diamond midfield? I'm playing around with some tactical ideas in my head, and this one I need a little help from more experienced FM players. If it helps, the tactic I'm toying around with is a narrow-strikerless 4-1-2-3, with a DM/Su behind the midfield two. Here's the in-game description of the role, and I'm worried I'm taking the part in bold a little too literally. "The Carrilero – or “Shuttler” – is a supporting role more often than not utilised as part of a midfield three, or as two central midfielders in a diamond midfield. It is the job of these shuttlers to cover lateral areas of the pitch and link the defensive midfield area with the attacking midfield area. This is what separates the Carrileros from a Box-To-Box Midfielder, as they are not expected to shuttle between boxes, but merely between lines of the midfield. The role is that of a runner but also a water carrier for the team, should the team need it." I've used the search function to try find an answer to my question, but to no avail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, MikeCollins said: My question: is it tactically sound to be using 2 x Carrilero next to each other in a two-man Diamond midfield? Yes. As ever, balance things with the rest of your set up but yes you can absolutely use 2 x Carrileros in a diamond. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCollins Posted January 17, 2018 Author Share Posted January 17, 2018 Hi @herne79, Thanks for the quick response, much appreciated. Is it acceptable to post a screenshot of the tactic with the TI/PI's in this thread, along with reasoning, once I've settled on what I think could work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
herne79 Posted January 17, 2018 Share Posted January 17, 2018 Sure no problem. Perhaps best to wait until you've actually tried the system to see what works (or not) so you can share the problems you are having as well (if any). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 If you need any help on such a system, Rasho got plenty of vids on his YT channel (BustTheNet). He also uses a system with two Carrileros and have some success with it.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordKaivalya Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 Wouldn't it be completely bereft of creativity? If I understand the description, the Carillero is a lateral runner right? With a DM behind is it too defensive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted January 19, 2018 Share Posted January 19, 2018 4 hours ago, LordKaivalya said: Wouldn't it be completely bereft of creativity? If I understand the description, the Carillero is a lateral runner right? With a DM behind is it too defensive? Nope. A Carrilero can play a bit different depending on who you give that role (PPMs, attributes, etc.). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Beginner here, hijacking the thread. I understand 2x carillero if you have 2 strikers (4 - Diamond - 2), but if you have an AMR & AML, isn't two carilleros and the AMR&L duplicating some of the same responsibilities? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCollins Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 On 2018-01-18 at 03:19, Jean0987654321 said: If you need any help on such a system, Rasho got plenty of vids on his YT channel (BustTheNet). He also uses a system with two Carrileros and have some success with it.. Thanks for this tip! The videos are very detailed and insightful for an amateur like me. It's a lot of information to take in and absorb, which is only a good thing. On 2018-01-19 at 18:26, LordKaivalya said: Wouldn't it be completely bereft of creativity? If I understand the description, the Carillero is a lateral runner right? With a DM behind is it too defensive? This is what I have been experiencing (or, what I think is happening) during my testing. I've recently kind of abandoned the idea for the time being, due to squad changes, and lack of any decent Carrilero's. I'll still post what I came up with eventually and maybe give it a full test in a new save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordKaivalya Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I am new to football, I haven't exactly seen many examples of Carrilero's in real life, but what i read about Ramires at Benfica he sounds like a BWM on support? Is a Carrilero much different from a BWM or is it more like a lateral B2B? Either way I dont quite understand why you would get such a limited role in a system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thengil Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 4 hours ago, LordKaivalya said: I am new to football, I haven't exactly seen many examples of Carrilero's in real life, but what i read about Ramires at Benfica he sounds like a BWM on support? Is a Carrilero much different from a BWM or is it more like a lateral B2B? Either way I dont quite understand why you would get such a limited role in a system? Carrilero is a South American term for "shuttler", the water carrier type player whose responsibility it is to cover wide areas in front of their full backs. Traditionally Argentinian teams were very fond of the midfield diamond, where three hard working midfielders (2 Carrileros, 1 defensive midfielder) would allow the attacking midfielder in front of them (the "enganche") the freedom to create chances for the strikers. Since the enganche did not defend, three players had to take the same responsibility as four players would have in a conventional 4-4-2, which meant that the Carrileros had to cover much more space laterally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thengil Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Examples of Carrileros and the midfield diamond in real life: Chelsea used it under Hiddink I think, as evidenced by this article: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2009/aug/25/the-question-diamond-tactics-jonathan-wilson Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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