skrew Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 Hi. I'd like some pro to clarify what "look for underlap" exactly mean. I have ideas, but I'd like to see some illustration what it's meant to be. Thanks a lot in advance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khazard Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 I won't be giving any diagrams but I use this in my tactic..it makes your wide players hold up the ball and wait for a central player to run past them in support..it's just look for overlap inverted. This is of course very useful with certain midfield roles such as box to box or Segundo Volante which will track back to very deep positions and take time to get back up the pitch to support an attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrew Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 This is like what I thought of it, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 This is the underlap. Basically, a full back running into the half-space (inside). On an overlap, he runs on the outside (wide). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrew Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 Thanks for the picture. Meaning the full back in the bottom right corner will receive the ball and run laterally to the central area? It doesn't make sense to me, that seems to be a very bad idea for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 it isn't though. here's a good full back on inside run. and the above video shows how to create space for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skrew Posted December 22, 2017 Author Share Posted December 22, 2017 Second video is really telling, thanks. Is there maybe the "look for underlap" TI has any effect on team width, particularly wide midfielders, wingers push more wide to stretch and create space for underlapping runs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 1 ora fa, skrew ha scritto: Second video is really telling, thanks. Is there maybe the "look for underlap" TI has any effect on team width, particularly wide midfielders, wingers push more wide to stretch and create space for underlapping runs? have no idea about how ME actually creates space for those players. it might be that it doesn't at all but that is a question for SI ME dev team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khazard Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 you can also use it with just one wide player on each side.In this situation the players will do as I have stated in my earlier comment. @MBarbaric I hadn't tried this with two pairs of widemen yet thanks for the insight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Inverted Full Backs with AML/R wingers seems designed for underlap. (Haven't tried it yet) And I would think IF/S with non-inverted FB's is perfect for overlap, but a lot of times I see the FB overlap and the IF cutting inside creating space for the FB, but then very rarely pass the ball to the FB, resulting in the FB spending a lot of time uselessly running up and down the pitch without being used. Only if the IF passes the ball to a playmaker MC does it result in them being used as a passing option. I think the key element of underlap/overlap is to get past some defenders with passing instead of dribbling, but I'm not entirely happy with what I see on pitch so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 2 ore fa, Miravlix ha scritto: resulting in the FB spending a lot of time uselessly running up and down the pitch without being used. Only if the IF passes the ball to a playmaker MC does it result in them being used as a passing option. it isn't necessarily about FB getting the ball. If he drags away a marker from the central zone he has done his job already as he opens space for either a pass or a run in the middle. It very much depends on the behaviour of the defensive unit how effective he can be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 3 hours ago, MBarbaric said: it isn't necessarily about FB getting the ball. If he drags away a marker from the central zone he has done his job already as he opens space for either a pass or a run in the middle. It very much depends on the behaviour of the defensive unit how effective he can be. But he doesn't drag any defenders, he just run up the pitch with no effect and no one passing to him. That off course means it would be horrible for the ME if overlap actually worked, because the ME can't defend the situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBarbaric Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 2 ore fa, Miravlix ha scritto: But he doesn't drag any defenders, he just run up the pitch with no effect and no one passing to him. That off course means it would be horrible for the ME if overlap actually worked, because the ME can't defend the situation. have no idea how the thing works in the ME, i was just saying how it works in real. however, the ME can't handle the simplest of the tactical ideas such as moving a winger towarards the strong side to create an overload. so, can't say I'd be surprised if the inverted fb doesn't really work in the ME. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etebaer Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Had it enabled in Vanilla FM18 but switched it off in FM18.2x Players in general tended to wait for a Player/Players in the center area appearing as ball target but maybe SI thought it was overpowered or the other changes on the ME have eaten it up - atm it seems it has become another "loss of ball + waste the Chance" option. Individual experience may differ of course... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etebaer Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 And yet it happened to me that i changed my creative freedom setting to a lower Tier (disabled the expressive button on the tactic Screen) and suddenly "Underlap" adds positives to the game flow, scoring chances and success. I should mention that i judge my game only on the match flow, player actions and success as they happen in the 3d game and completely ignore any statistics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpsia518 Posted February 20, 2018 Share Posted February 20, 2018 https://www.soccercoachweekly.net/other/overlapping-run-underlapping-run/ An overlapping run creating a 2v1 overload.An underlapping run taking a defender out of the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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