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I am going to start playing IFs on each wing instead of Wngs as there seems to be some great IFs in the database this year...  but one question, I wanted to look at IFs with WBs behind them to provide width, but does that leave me to open to counters? 

Similar to your post I play with a F9 with the purpose of not just dropping deep but also running to the wings...  plan being to have WBs and the F9 providing width with IF running into the centre to provide a goal threat, hopefully making the front three difficult to mark, plus a goal threat from both IFs and F9 from deep.

What do you think @Cleon a bit over the top?

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18 minutes ago, edhdurham said:

I am going to start playing IFs on each wing instead of Wngs as there seems to be some great IFs in the database this year...  but one question, I wanted to look at IFs with WBs behind them to provide width, but does that leave me to open to counters? 

Similar to your post I play with a F9 with the purpose of not just dropping deep but also running to the wings...  plan being to have WBs and the F9 providing width with IF running into the centre to provide a goal threat, hopefully making the front three difficult to mark, plus a goal threat from both IFs and F9 from deep.

What do you think @Cleon a bit over the top?

How are the front 3 difficult to mark if they're all doing the same thing? In fact, the two IF's will be doing the same runs etc, how are they hard to mark without someone occupying the markers they have and who is creating space for them? 

Why do you need a striker running the channels when you have two players coming in from the channels already? I don't see the logic in what you are saying. You're asking two players to come inside from the channels and asking your central spearhead to run the channels. What's the purpose? When the F9 goes into the channels, what will the oppositions central defenders be doing rather than staying solid and compact, making it hard for your players to get past them? Who is slitting them up and giving them something to do?

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Cleon, great as always.

I had an Alex Tam in Ryan Christie on FM 17, gonna try to get him on 18.

But what I really wanted to say: it hurts me to see you make Santos so great. I was watching the gif and drooling then I realized it was against Corinthians :(:(

Although I love your texts, I really hate Santos. That's life, I guess haha

Cheers!

 

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Just now, felipencntst said:

Cleon, great as always.

I had an Alex Tam in Ryan Christie on FM 17, gonna try to get him on 18.

But what I really wanted to say: it hurts me to see you make Santos so great. I was watching the gif and drooling then I realized it was against Corinthians :(:(

Although I love your texts, I really hate Santos. That's life, I guess haha

Cheers!

 

:D haha sorry. I used them for the example as a lot think the Brazilian league is really weak and that I play pig farmers for 30+ games a season. So wanted to use a big side that most people should recognise :D

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I retrained one of my young ST to play as an ML in my 4141 with the idea he'd play as a deeper inside forward. He plays as a wide midfield on attack, with stay wide and cut inside PIs, the thought being he'd stretch the defence and then exploit the gaps between the CB and RB. And based off last season it seems to be working - IIRC he was second in scoring, assists and rating and won player of the month in February. He regularly pops up at the back post or for those through balls between the CB and RB, it's a delight to watch,

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4 hours ago, Cleon said:

How are the front 3 difficult to mark if they're all doing the same thing? In fact, the two IF's will be doing the same runs etc, how are they hard to mark without someone occupying the markers they have and who is creating space for them? 

Why do you need a striker running the channels when you have two players coming in from the channels already? I don't see the logic in what you are saying. You're asking two players to come inside from the channels and asking your central spearhead to run the channels. What's the purpose? When the F9 goes into the channels, what will the oppositions central defenders be doing rather than staying solid and compact, making it hard for your players to get past them? Who is slitting them up and giving them something to do?

This makes sense but to play devils advocate, could you clarify why its different from your example as DLF-A is also instructed to Move Into Channels?

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I had a great save with Napoli last year where I used an F9, a Raum and an IF. I expected the Raul to be the main goalscorer but Insigne was sensational as the IF and won every individual award going as we won the scudetto. 

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9 hours ago, summatsupeer said:

This makes sense but to play devils advocate, could you clarify why its different from your example as DLF-A is also instructed to Move Into Channels?

I have an AMC who occupies the central defenders and can push up into the space when the DLF drifts slightly wider. We don't use the same shape, so it has different consequences. If your only spearhead drifts wide into the channels, then realistically he isn't going to take the central defenders with him. So there needs to be someone else who can create the space the IF's need or to occupy the markers and pull them away, so the IF's can do their job. Like the example I posted in the OP when the striker drives forward and takes the whole defence with him.

Plus I only have 1 player cutting inside from the wings, so the DLF won't always be using the same space as the wide players, like he would in a 2 IF set-up.

It's also worth noting that the F9 plays deeper than all the striker roles bar the defensive forward. So it's harder for the F9 to occupy the defenders, which is why it's important someone else does. It's why people need variety and balance and one of the reasons I dislike tactics that attacks the same way off both flanks. You become one dimensional.

If you read what he put, he actually wants the striker to provide the width, which is just bizarre when he uses two IF's and wants them to cut inside and play narrow.

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Thank you so much for this!! This comes just in the right time as I want to turn my IF in the new Ronaldo!

Need to have a proper study on this but for sure it'll be very helpful!

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What's the difference between an Inside Forward on attack duty and an Inside Forward on support duty? From my use of an inside forward on support he does seem more involved in the build up but he's nowhere near as productive as the complete forward on support and the winger on attack on the other side. I tried Inside forward on attack and immediately had better results. 

Also how many attack duties is it advisable to have in a front 3 of a 4-3-3. You advise to use an attacking spearhead through the centre to create space for the inside forward. Would this not work with the forward being on support duty with a more aggressive inside forward? (ala Firmino with Salah for the current Liverpool)

And how is an inside forward on attack (pretty much isolated from build up duty but more of a goal threat, I guess?) different from a Raumdeuter? Is it merely that the inside forward will look to run more with the ball?

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35 minutes ago, LordKaivalya said:

And how is an inside forward on attack (pretty much isolated from build up duty but more of a goal threat, I guess?) different from a Raumdeuter? Is it merely that the inside forward will look to run more with the ball?

The raumdeuter by default roams, sits narrower, doesnt dribble as much as an inside forward. This means he will run around on the flank/half space looking for space to attack. I think the inside forward on attack will run more directly at defense ( dribble more PI) and go deep inside oppositions half. 

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20 hours ago, Cleon said:

How are the front 3 difficult to mark if they're all doing the same thing? In fact, the two IF's will be doing the same runs etc, how are they hard to mark without someone occupying the markers they have and who is creating space for them? 

Why do you need a striker running the channels when you have two players coming in from the channels already? I don't see the logic in what you are saying. You're asking two players to come inside from the channels and asking your central spearhead to run the channels. What's the purpose? When the F9 goes into the channels, what will the oppositions central defenders be doing rather than staying solid and compact, making it hard for your players to get past them? Who is slitting them up and giving them something to do?

You used same front three when you created the possession tactic. It was different of course but you managed to be champion with Stoke and F9 supplied the IFs really good if Im not mistaken. Anything changed? 

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What's the difference between an Inside Forward on attack duty and an Inside Forward on support duty?

The support one starts deeper.

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From my use of an inside forward on support he does seem more involved in the build up but he's nowhere near as productive as the complete forward on support and the winger on attack on the other side. I tried Inside forward on attack and immediately had better results. 

They're both as much as a goal threat as each other, it depends on how you use them. By that, I mean like the examples I showed in the opening post.

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Also how many attack duties is it advisable to have in a front 3 of a 4-3-3.

You're thinking about it all wrong, you're hung up on attacking duties rather than thinking about what the role offers and how it links with the others players you used. There is no magical number of attack/support duties, it all depends on how you play. The more attack duties you use, the less space they'll have, the less likely to be involved in the build up and will need players deeper, to link with them because of the high positions they take up compared to support duties. You should be thinking along these lines rather than looking at 'how many'. 

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 You advise to use an attacking spearhead through the centre to create space for the inside forward. Would this not work with the forward being on support duty with a more aggressive inside forward? (ala Firmino with Salah for the current Liverpool)

It can work yes but again it depends. In the examples I highlighted above, if my striker was on support then he wouldn't be taking the defenders away early enough or would be too deep initially so there'd be no real space created for the IF to run into. The space is actually created via the winger and the striker working in conjunction with each other.

What works for you depends on the factors of how everyone links together like I showed, how it works for me.

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And how is an inside forward on attack (pretty much isolated from build up duty but more of a goal threat, I guess?) different from a Raumdeuter? Is it merely that the inside forward will look to run more with the ball?

Read the descriptions in the game and that should give you a basic general idea of how the roles differ. Then look at the instructions both roles comes with and you should know how they really differ now.

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15 minutes ago, mkkadi said:

You used same front three when you created the possession tactic. It was different of course but you managed to be champion with Stoke and F9 supplied the IFs really good if Im not mistaken. Anything changed? 

I think you'll find you are wrong. First, I was Swansea and secondly I didn't use the same roles, this is the screenshot taken from the thread;

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And I've explained above why it doesn't work. I didn't use a F9 to create width and offer width, which is what the person I was replying to was asking for. Why would someone want to use the central player to create width in the channels when they already have two players creating width there already initially who then come central. What is the purpose of the striker who starts centrally offering width when play will already be central because of the two IF's? It's an approach that doesn't make much sense at all.

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@Cleon Great read as per usual :) quick question; how do the principles of space creation highlighted above differ when using a 433? atm i’m using a combination of IF-a, CF-s, IF-s (because i don’t have anyone that can cross the ball), so i guess it works in the opposite way to yours.. but i’m wondering if an attack duty striker would work better? 

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2 minutes ago, jc577 said:

@Cleon Great read as per usual :) quick question; how do the principles of space creation highlighted above differ when using a 433? atm i’m using a combination of IF-a, CF-s, IF-s (because i don’t have anyone that can cross the ball), so i guess it works in the opposite way to yours.. but i’m wondering if an attack duty striker would work better? 

It depends, what do you see when the striker drops deep? Are the defenders following him, is he creating space? How do the midfield contribute to attacks, are they also attacking central? If so, then the centre area can become a bit crowded unless you stagger it like you have with the front 3. But the midfield would be key here to how they supply the ball and do they take away from any space the striker creates? 

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6 hours ago, Cleon said:

I have an AMC who occupies the central defenders and can push up into the space when the DLF drifts slightly wider. We don't use the same shape, so it has different consequences. If your only spearhead drifts wide into the channels, then realistically he isn't going to take the central defenders with him. So there needs to be someone else who can create the space the IF's need or to occupy the markers and pull them away, so the IF's can do their job. Like the example I posted in the OP when the striker drives forward and takes the whole defence with him.

Plus I only have 1 player cutting inside from the wings, so the DLF won't always be using the same space as the wide players, like he would in a 2 IF set-up.

It's also worth noting that the F9 plays deeper than all the striker roles bar the defensive forward. So it's harder for the F9 to occupy the defenders, which is why it's important someone else does. It's why people need variety and balance and one of the reasons I dislike tactics that attacks the same way off both flanks. You become one dimensional.

If you read what he put, he actually wants the striker to provide the width, which is just bizarre when he uses two IF's and wants them to cut inside and play narrow.

Much better explanation than I was trying to write! Plus I know better than to put words in your mouth :herman:.  Can't just look at one or two positions, need to look at the wider picture.

 

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Just now, summatsupeer said:

Much better explanation than I was trying to write! Plus I know better than to put words in your mouth :herman:.  Can't just look at one or two positions, need to look at the wider picture.

 

I know I say it all the time and bang on about it but its true. You need to learn how everything works together rather than in isolation. If your striker is an attacking one and goes forward, what do the players around him do? If the winger goes forward how does the rest of the roles work, do they stay back or go and offer support and so on.

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2 minutes ago, Cleon said:

It depends, what do you see when the striker drops deep? Are the defenders following him, is he creating space? How do the midfield contribute to attacks, are they also attacking central? If so, then the centre area can become a bit crowded unless you stagger it like you have with the front 3. But the midfield would be key here to how they supply the ball and do they take away from any space the striker creates? 

occasionally, but more often than not i’m playing against teams who have parked the bus, so it doesn’t happen as often as I’d like. well ive got a Mez-s behind the IF-a and a BBM on the other side. They do take turns attacking the central areas but even so, this means there are four players (CF-S, IF-S, both CM’s) all trying to use the same space, right? 

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22 minutes ago, jc577 said:

occasionally, but more often than not i’m playing against teams who have parked the bus, so it doesn’t happen as often as I’d like. well ive got a Mez-s behind the IF-a and a BBM on the other side. They do take turns attacking the central areas but even so, this means there are four players (CF-S, IF-S, both CM’s) all trying to use the same space, right? 

Indeed it does, which is why I like to set up with a variety of ways to attack rather than focusing on one specific area. The side you use the Mez on, have you though about having him as a different role than a IF? Something like a winger?

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4 minutes ago, Cleon said:

Indeed it does, which is why I like to set up with a variety of ways to attack rather than focusing on one specific area. The side you use the Mez on, have you though about having him as a different role than a IF? Something like a winger?

I've thought about using a W-A there, but I don't really have anyone that can cross the ball. Although the way I envisaged this role playing out was more of an IF-a that starts a bit wider (not sure how accurate this is) and hits the byline more often, but still provides a goal threat.

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On 22/12/2017 at 00:59, Britrock said:

I retrained one of my young ST to play as an ML in my 4141 with the idea he'd play as a deeper inside forward. He plays as a wide midfield on attack, with stay wide and cut inside PIs, the thought being he'd stretch the defence and then exploit the gaps between the CB and RB. And based off last season it seems to be working - IIRC he was second in scoring, assists and rating and won player of the month in February. He regularly pops up at the back post or for those through balls between the CB and RB, it's a delight to watch,

I like how threads on player roles like this wonderful piece on the IF by Cleon brings out really creative solutions from FM players like Britrock for their tactics. Really opened up my mind to trying something new like this on my save. Too often we think about being central and closer to goal just to score more goals when in reality it is more about creating space for the player with the right supply to score the goals. Come to think of it, one reason why and this is just my personal opinion the raumdeuter does not score much in most people’s games is because they cram so many central-centric players(IF, BBM, AP) that even though the raumdeuter has move into channels it still renders it with not much space to operate. Perhaps in future games the raumdeuter could be added with the PI to stay wider.

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On 21/12/2017 at 16:59, Britrock said:

I retrained one of my young ST to play as an ML in my 4141 with the idea he'd play as a deeper inside forward. He plays as a wide midfield on attack, with stay wide and cut inside PIs, the thought being he'd stretch the defence and then exploit the gaps between the CB and RB. And based off last season it seems to be working - IIRC he was second in scoring, assists and rating and won player of the month in February. He regularly pops up at the back post or for those through balls between the CB and RB, it's a delight to watch,

Seems we play the same, at least in our approach to ideology. This is basically what I've highlighted above, albeit from the AML position but you achieve the same thing from the ML based on the same principles. But the way you describe it happening and what happens, is the exact same as I highlight above :)

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Hi Cleon,

do you use the addional focus only when you want to develop someone or do you use it for every player?

I’m wodering about the good development of Rodrygo. I never get such a good result.

Regards

Volker

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23 minutes ago, sgevolker said:

Hi Cleon,

do you use the addional focus only when you want to develop someone or do you use it for every player?

I’m wodering about the good development of Rodrygo. I never get such a good result.

Regards

Volker

I use it if I feel the player can benefit from it.

I find it hard to believe you've never had a player at 15 years of age who is a high potential player and never seen development like I showed above over 3-4 seasons. Just about every player I have develops the same if they have the PA.

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I play FM Touch in the IPAD and never had a15 year old youth player. Also it seems the Touch version is limited with youth players. So I had development, but not such a huge.

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Which PPMs are essential to get the most out of your IF? I have set up a system very similar to Cleons, but my IF rarely gets behind the defence like shown in the OP gif.

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4 minutes ago, Cleon said:

My IF has zero PPM's :)

Ha! Maybe thats the issue then. I have Martial who has Move Into Channels, Cuts Inside and Plays One-Twos. Maybe they aren’t suitable for an IF?

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1 hour ago, Rasmus said:

Ha! Maybe thats the issue then. I have Martial who has Move Into Channels, Cuts Inside and Plays One-Twos. Maybe they aren’t suitable for an IF?

These are Thierry Henry moves ;). Well, I would not say that TH position in Arsenal was an inside forward, rather something between wide trequartista/complete forward.

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1 hour ago, Rasmus said:

Ha! Maybe thats the issue then. I have Martial who has Move Into Channels, Cuts Inside and Plays One-Twos. Maybe they aren’t suitable for an IF?

You shouldn't have a problem with Martial scoring even with those PPMs. Your whole system may need addressing

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@Cleon Can a player provide both supply and support to the IF? For example I was considering using an AP-a in the mcl slot in the hope that he commits players to him via dribbling and provide through passes to the IF, without actively looking to break into the box and use the same space.

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1 hour ago, Los_Culés said:

These are Thierry Henry moves ;). Well, I would not say that TH position in Arsenal was an inside forward, rather something between wide trequartista/complete forward.

Makes sense. Until I retrained him to play as an ML, he can no longer play as a striker apparently. He would be a nice supplement in case Lukaku and Rashford should be out at the same time.

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1 hour ago, Jean0987654321 said:

You shouldn't have a problem with Martial scoring even with those PPMs. Your whole system may need addressing

That’s also what concerns me. It’s not that I have a problem scoring, Lukaku keeps banging them in. I just don’t feel like I’m getting the most out of Martial. He’s a decent provider, but aren’t getting into dangerous scoring positions as often as I would like him to be. I need to sort out my midfield, cause they aren’t producing much. My right winger gets a load of assists though. Martial chips in too once in a while.

So I have to find the best roles for James Rodriguez, Pogba and Martial and make them work together.

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@Cleon Is it possible that you can provide a brief explanation in FM term of a 4-3-3 system with a False 9 and two inside forwards. This to me seems to be the more common case and we see with Liverpool and Pep's City and Barca team even Napoli uses such a system to devastating effect. From my FM knowledge as i have not always been able to bring m RL tactical knowledge in the game, when you play a 4-3-3 with false 9 and two inside forwards, you are expecting your inside forwards to take advantage of the space left by your false 9 and create one-twos along with exchanges where most of your goals should be scored inside the 18 yard box. 

I can understand in FM it's all about using the space and creating space but how do you balance your attacking front 3 as, i've already pictured where your midfield should be looking to supply passes but also not frequently tho, make runs into the box from a deeper position. 

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Those teams don't use two inside forwards though. I won't be going out of my way writing about the 433 though, I only write about what I'm currently using. 

The principles in this thread are applicable to all formations though and regardless of the shape, you need everything I mentioned above for them to be consistent scorers.

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@Cleon @Rashidi 

to me the Inverted winger and inside forward roles kinda sound the same. Could you explain their similarities and differences?

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20 minutes ago, goqs06 said:

@Cleon @Rashidi 

to me the Inverted winger and inside forward roles kinda sound the same. Could you explain their similarities and differences?

You can see the differences yourself if you look at the settings both roles have. They are basically the same though.

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Hi Cleon.  Great article, especially the different options on each flank. I'm trying to get Liverpool's fab 4 on the pitch in a 433DM formation. I have Salah as a W/a on the right and Mane as a IF/s on the left. I use Firmino as a F9. I use a Mezzalla on the right of my midfield and a AP/s on the left. 

My problems are long shots. Is the midfield to aggressive in this set up? I ask because your points on the attacker has me thinking maybe the F9 is clogging things up rather than moving defenders about. I think I'm not far off what I want to achieve but the long shots are destroying my game.

My shouts:

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Why is salah, a left footer on the right playing as a winger? As a winger he will focus on getting to the byline to cross although he will also get in the box at times due to being inverted in his footedness. Mane as an IF support will score goals but his primary purpose is to play balls through the middle to play others in after cutting inside. The midfield pair of ap and mez looks good. The f9 drops very deep, so when there are no runners coming in, it will feel clogged. I feel that if you want to reduce the long shots you could try work ball into box, and change salah into a raumdeuter. Mane could be an IF support with get further forward if you like.

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12 hours ago, anorthernboy said:

Hi Cleon.  Great article, especially the different options on each flank. I'm trying to get Liverpool's fab 4 on the pitch in a 433DM formation. I have Salah as a W/a on the right and Mane as a IF/s on the left. I use Firmino as a F9. I use a Mezzalla on the right of my midfield and a AP/s on the left. 

My problems are long shots. Is the midfield to aggressive in this set up? I ask because your points on the attacker has me thinking maybe the F9 is clogging things up rather than moving defenders about. I think I'm not far off what I want to achieve but the long shots are destroying my game.

My shouts:

Push much higher up

Close down much more 

Standard/flexible

Your winger will be high up on the pitch because he plays at AM strata with attack role. His aim is to get to the byline and cross the ball. But I think there is no one in the box because F9 drops deeper and your IF has support role which means he starts his run later and deeper than IFa. 

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19 hours ago, anorthernboy said:

Hi Cleon.  Great article, especially the different options on each flank. I'm trying to get Liverpool's fab 4 on the pitch in a 433DM formation. I have Salah as a W/a on the right and Mane as a IF/s on the left. I use Firmino as a F9. I use a Mezzalla on the right of my midfield and a AP/s on the left. 

My problems are long shots. Is the midfield to aggressive in this set up? I ask because your points on the attacker has me thinking maybe the F9 is clogging things up rather than moving defenders about. I think I'm not far off what I want to achieve but the long shots are destroying my game.

My shouts:

Push much higher up

Close down much more 

Standard/flexible

From experience, the reason why long shots are taken often is because of the the lack of passing options to progress into dangerous areas in or around the box. You need to sort the roles out to make sure nobody is occupying anyone's space or there is space to give a pass to progress the ball

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I have had players in great positions and my players shoot regardless. Its the same with dribbling. I play nice footy until it gets out wide then they just set off dribbling with no real aim and get tackled. They literally run straight at the defender and get tackled. One ball over top and I've conceded a good chance. 

 

I've just played Arsenal with their overpowered 523 WB wide and they constantly outnumbered me out wide with CD, WB and W overload. Not to worry I think. I outnumber them in the middle. Aron Ramsey playing as a DLP in a midfield 2 of DLP/s and BWM/d tackles any midfielder who gets the ball and then bursts into the box to score. Twice. 

 

Danny Wellbeck playing W/a tracks back every time i nearly get my fullback in on goal. Then spearheads the counter. Im at a loss.

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I've often been kind of at a loss for how to use an IF (A) properly. My initial instinct has always been (logically) to pair it with a F9/DLF to drag the defence out of position and give the IF space to attack. I've never had too much success with it personally (obviously this is a larger issue than just the two roles). Reading this though and trying to conceptualize what I'm trying to accomplish I feel like something like this could do what you're asking of:

 

F9 (S)

IF (A) ---------------------------------------------

---------------AP (S) ----- MEZ (A) ----- W (A)

 

The winger should stay out of the way of the middle, and with the AP holding his position realistically there shouldn't be too much congestion in that area. I guess I'm wondering here if the W (A) (on the midfield strata) would cause the same kind of problems as you highlighted above for the opposition defence in that sense or is the F9's movement going to make it easier for the defenders to pick up the run of the IF (A) because more often than not he's vacating the box and attacking from deep instead. Conceptually I like the idea of the cut-back to the top of the box where the F9/Mez should be drawing attention which could lead to the IF being unmarked and either a) available for a deeper cross from the W or b) available for a killer ball from either the F9 or the Mez after they received a cutback. Maybe I'm not thinking of it properly or it doesn't work that way in practice though.

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7 hours ago, Curtinho said:

I've often been kind of at a loss for how to use an IF (A) properly. My initial instinct has always been (logically) to pair it with a F9/DLF to drag the defence out of position and give the IF space to attack. I've never had too much success with it personally (obviously this is a larger issue than just the two roles). Reading this though and trying to conceptualize what I'm trying to accomplish I feel like something like this could do what you're asking of:

 

F9 (S)

IF (A) ---------------------------------------------

---------------AP (S) ----- MEZ (A) ----- W (A)

 

The winger should stay out of the way of the middle, and with the AP holding his position realistically there shouldn't be too much congestion in that area. I guess I'm wondering here if the W (A) (on the midfield strata) would cause the same kind of problems as you highlighted above for the opposition defence in that sense or is the F9's movement going to make it easier for the defenders to pick up the run of the IF (A) because more often than not he's vacating the box and attacking from deep instead. Conceptually I like the idea of the cut-back to the top of the box where the F9/Mez should be drawing attention which could lead to the IF being unmarked and either a) available for a deeper cross from the W or b) available for a killer ball from either the F9 or the Mez after they received a cutback. Maybe I'm not thinking of it properly or it doesn't work that way in practice though.

Having some similar issues with a slightly different set-up:

CF- S

IF-A on the left, W-S on the right

AP-S on the left, MEZ-S on the right

The IF-A seems to score a reasonable amount, but also takes a lot of long shots (as does the CF). The thinking behind this set-up was that the CF would create space for the IF, who will receive passes from the CF and AP. The winger also creates space (by stretching the defense) that the MEZ can run into. I've also tried using a MEZ-A and a BBM in that slot- none seem to perform any better or worse than the others, so I've kept the support duty thinking that it would offer a bit more defensive stability. I'm also playing as Real Betis, so it's possible I may just not have the players yet to pull off what I'm trying to do.

 

 

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18 hours ago, anorthernboy said:

I have had players in great positions and my players shoot regardless. Its the same with dribbling. I play nice footy until it gets out wide then they just set off dribbling with no real aim and get tackled. They literally run straight at the defender and get tackled. One ball over top and I've conceded a good chance. 

 

I've just played Arsenal with their overpowered 523 WB wide and they constantly outnumbered me out wide with CD, WB and W overload. Not to worry I think. I outnumber them in the middle. Aron Ramsey playing as a DLP in a midfield 2 of DLP/s and BWM/d tackles any midfielder who gets the ball and then bursts into the box to score. Twice. 

 

Danny Wellbeck playing W/a tracks back every time i nearly get my fullback in on goal. Then spearheads the counter. Im at a loss.

How do you know what roles they were playing?

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6 hours ago, RCCook said:

Having some similar issues with a slightly different set-up:

CF- S

IF-A on the left, W-S on the right

AP-S on the left, MEZ-S on the right

The IF-A seems to score a reasonable amount, but also takes a lot of long shots (as does the CF). The thinking behind this set-up was that the CF would create space for the IF, who will receive passes from the CF and AP. The winger also creates space (by stretching the defense) that the MEZ can run into. I've also tried using a MEZ-A and a BBM in that slot- none seem to perform any better or worse than the others, so I've kept the support duty thinking that it would offer a bit more defensive stability. I'm also playing as Real Betis, so it's possible I may just not have the players yet to pull off what I'm trying to do.

 

 

I have the exact same set-up with United and can’t stop those long shots. Considering using an attack duty striker (DLF-a or CF-a) to push the defence back a bit more.

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The topic is related to inside forward but I just want to get your opinions. What happens if I use traquarista instead of inside forward? Does it work and can traquarista be a main goalscorer outlet from wings? @Cleon

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