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The Thomas Tuchel Approach - A Tactical Project

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Excellent write up, will follow your progress. I always liked two kinds of football, Guardiola/Cruyff style and Klopp/Tuchel. I'm trying to get close to that style, currently trying with Zulte Waregem. Good luck and keep us updated!

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I’ll be following this post, great start to it.  I’m managing in Serie A on FM18, but may try to adapt to a Tuchel type style in my second year, if I last at AC Milan.  

 

Here’s a post I did a while back on Tuchel’s Dortmund.

 

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36 minutes ago, BillHoudini24 said:

Excellent write up, will follow your progress. I always liked two kinds of football, Guardiola/Cruyff style and Klopp/Tuchel. I'm trying to get close to that style, currently trying with Zulte Waregem. Good luck and keep us updated!

Thanks, a lot man. Yeah, the hybrid - at least in the 2015/2016-season - of Tuchels play, Klopps intense counterpress and direct stile - paired with Guardiola's positional play was really interesting. 

6 minutes ago, Lobaeux4 said:

I’ll be following this post, great start to it.  I’m managing in Serie A on FM18, but may try to adapt to a Tuchel type style in my second year, if I last at AC Milan.  

 

Here’s a post I did a while back on Tuchel’s Dortmund.

 

Oh man, Lobaeux, I don't know how many times I have been reading that thread. You did some really interesting work. I could easily have posted that thread under "Research" menu. :D

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Cool.  I’m glad someone’s going to do this with FM18, can’t wait to see how it develops. 

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This is some great stuff, I will be watching this space. 

This years ME has some through balls from deep, so a high d-line like this will be interesting to watch in that regard. 

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On 19/11/2017 at 00:58, BrickCommo23 said:

Great work. I am trying to create something similar at Arsenal but not quite working. Looking forward to seeing how you get on!!

Nice, man. Feel free to post your thoughts and your approach here. The goal of this thread is I want as much inspiration as I Can.

 

On 19/11/2017 at 11:10, Ji-Sung Park said:

This is some great stuff, I will be watching this space. 

This years ME has some through balls from deep, so a high d-line like this will be interesting to watch in that regard. 

Thanks. Yeah, you are right. It is a clear vulnerability - those deep balls over my entire organisation can be hurtful - I am seeing this already. The big vulnerability is I commit a lot of players forward - an extreme amount, so counter attacks can turn out to be a problem. It's a risk/reward thing really. I've played some games now, but want to play some more before I go deep into the analysis. :)

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very nice read. how's the transition working on standard/v. fluid? my guess is it's a little too cautius and slow for such a modern tactics? 

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Nice thread. Interesting that you’ve gone for the standard mentality. I’m using Very Fluid with my Milan team using 3 different formations; 442 diamond, 352 and 433 and I think I’ll try it with standard. I’m normally using control, but i think somebody above mentioned that attacking mentality is meaning that attacks are being rushed and petering our with long shots before players have made it up to support. I’m looking forward to learning how you find the tactic plays out. 

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Just now, Mitja said:

very nice read. how's the transition working on standard/v. fluid? my guess is it's a little too cautius and slow for such a modern tactics? 

It's a mix, from what I've seen so far. The system advice intelligent players to make the decision on wether to hold on to the ball or launch an attack. A lot of the goals so far has been through a very quick attack. Example: We get the ball on the midfield, my four attacking players - the two wingers, the central midfielder and striker - launches attacks with very direct and vertical passes. These mostly happens in the left and right half space, where the inside forwards finds space, while the attacking midfielder either links play or launches forward. I find that at times these transitions are incredible fast, but also very considered. I think it is down to players like Reus, Auba, Yarmolenko and Kagawa/Götze all are excellent of the ball. Pair this with the second supporting midfielder, Dahoud, who at times acts like a quarterback. 

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6 minutes ago, Ellandroadhero said:

Nice thread. Interesting that you’ve gone for the standard mentality. I’m using Very Fluid with my Milan team using 3 different formations; 442 diamond, 352 and 433 and I think I’ll try it with standard. I’m normally using control, but i think somebody above mentioned that attacking mentality is meaning that attacks are being rushed and petering our with long shots before players have made it up to support. I’m looking forward to learning how you find the tactic plays out. 

Thats exactly what I have experienced with using Attacking and Control mentalities. During FM 17, I saw a lot of @Rashidi's videos, and he mentioned that mentality are simply a risk factor. I also played with Dortmund then and fell in love with the counter mentality because the attacks werent so rushed, but more well thought. Standard seems to make an incredible balance. I often see very considered and clever ball movement, it gets passed around and then - suddenly, I see a vertical pass - mainly from Dahoud in central midfield - between the lines, finding one of the front players who have taken advantage of the attackers movement. Boom! Goal! To be honest this style of play is very entertaining to watch, and I reckon it goes hand in hand with the dribble less instruction. It seems like players are more encouraged to move and pass. All with the simple goal to move and destabilize the opposition's defense. I need to play more games though, but I like what I see so far.

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Great work :) Really looking forward to how this progress'. Always loved Tuchels work furthering Dortmund after Klopp, so may borrow a couple of your tactical bits and pieces for my own tactics.

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2 hours ago, Gegenklaus said:

Thats exactly what I have experienced with using Attacking and Control mentalities. During FM 17, I saw a lot of @Rashidi's videos, and he mentioned that mentality are simply a risk factor. I also played with Dortmund then and fell in love with the counter mentality because the attacks werent so rushed, but more well thought. Standard seems to make an incredible balance. I often see very considered and clever ball movement, it gets passed around and then - suddenly, I see a vertical pass - mainly from Dahoud in central midfield - between the lines, finding one of the front players who have taken advantage of the attackers movement. Boom! Goal! To be honest this style of play is very entertaining to watch, and I reckon it goes hand in hand with the dribble less instruction. It seems like players are more encouraged to move and pass. All with the simple goal to move and destabilize the opposition's defense. I need to play more games though, but I like what I see so far.

with very fluid you say to your team to play on it's own decision and flair. when coupled with standard mentality team plays their natural game on little safer side. if you try the same tacics on flexible the team would look unrecognisble and probably uneffective, at list for my liking.  but the effect standard/v. fluid creates is more attacking football.  also pass into space is a must for me on lower mentalities and higher tempo too of course. I just love attacking and overload mentalities I guess.

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@Gegenklaus great thread :thup:

I'm looking forward to seeing how you get on and your analysis and any tweaks you might make.

I used Bophonet's Tuchel system almost exclusively in my FM17 saves and on the whole I thought they worked very well, so if his work along with the other guys you mentioned here are your inspiration, I'm sure you'll come up with something amazing. ;)

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8 hours ago, Piaz88 said:

Great thread but you really should use an offside trap if you push it up higher.

Why’s that?

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A little update from me playing as Arsenal.

First game, away to PAOK Salonika in the Europa League. We won 2-0 but with a long range strike and scramble from a corner. Possession was 50/50 but no CCC's created.

Next up, Liverpool away. Battered and 3-0 down inside first 30 mimutes. At half time I did go for an aggressive team talk but more importantly (hopefully in light of this thread) I removed dribble less (I have Zivkovic, Bellerin and Berardi so it's probably not playing to my strengths) but more importantly added 'pass into space'. 

Ended 3-2 and although we lost, created 2 CCCs and 5 half chances. I don't think that would be solely down to the half time team talk.

Might be something to keep in mind.

Cheers

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16 hours ago, davehibb said:

@Gegenklaus great thread :thup:

I'm looking forward to seeing how you get on and your analysis and any tweaks you might make.

I used Bophonet's Tuchel system almost exclusively in my FM17 saves and on the whole I thought they worked very well, so if his work along with the other guys you mentioned here are your inspiration, I'm sure you'll come up with something amazing. ;)

Bophonets tactics are amazing - and he probably gets a lot closer than I ever will. Dont expect something amazing, haha. I'm a newbie when it comes to creating tactics and also to analyse them. Thanks, though. I love the support. :)

 

1 hour ago, BrickCommo23 said:

A little update from me playing as Arsenal.

First game, away to PAOK Salonika in the Europa League. We won 2-0 but with a long range strike and scramble from a corner. Possession was 50/50 but no CCC's created.

Next up, Liverpool away. Battered and 3-0 down inside first 30 mimutes. At half time I did go for an aggressive team talk but more importantly (hopefully in light of this thread) I removed dribble less (I have Zivkovic, Bellerin and Berardi so it's probably not playing to my strengths) but more importantly added 'pass into space'. 

Ended 3-2 and although we lost, created 2 CCCs and 5 half chances. I don't think that would be solely down to the half time team talk.

Might be something to keep in mind.

Cheers

Nice to hear. Thanks for the feedback. How have you set your team up? 

I've yet to fully analyse the impact, and after reading a lot more about Tuchel and seeing highlights from the 2015-2016-season Im inclined to remove it. Reus, Gundogan and Mhiki all dribbled a lot. Especially Gundogan, charging up the field like a marauder. 

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6 hours ago, Gegenklaus said:

Bophonets tactics are amazing - and he probably gets a lot closer than I ever will. Dont expect something amazing, haha. I'm a newbie when it comes to creating tactics and also to analyse them. Thanks, though. I love the support. :)

 

Nice to hear. Thanks for the feedback. How have you set your team up? 

I've yet to fully analyse the impact, and after reading a lot more about Tuchel and seeing highlights from the 2015-2016-season Im inclined to remove it. Reus, Gundogan and Mhiki all dribbled a lot. Especially Gundogan, charging up the field like a marauder. 

I am using a 41221 (ie DM, MC, MC, AMR, AML) at the moment as suits my players.

Towards the end I also moved Ozil over to AMR a wide playmaker and also worked nicely. 

As another thought, if we really want to aggressively press then it might be worth adding 'Tight Marking' too.

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3 hours ago, BrickCommo23 said:

I am using a 41221 (ie DM, MC, MC, AMR, AML) at the moment as suits my players.

Towards the end I also moved Ozil over to AMR a wide playmaker and also worked nicely. 

As another thought, if we really want to aggressively press then it might be worth adding 'Tight Marking' too.

Yep, I've noticed the same. The pressing can at times look a little lame. :) 

Also, the high press in opponents final third needs a top heavy formation to work - if we wanna disturb there build up. Im actually thinking of redoing my post. Also change the mentality. :D

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Not only that, it’s dependent on specific personnel too.  I tried a gegenpressing style tactic at Dortmund in FM17, that didn’t translate so well into the Premier League with Chelsea.  I thought it would work great, but didn’t.  At least not as well as it worked in Dortmund.  I’m figuring there are a lot of factors why, personnel being one of them. 

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43 minutes ago, Lobaeux4 said:

Not only that, it’s dependent on specific personnel too.  I tried a gegenpressing style tactic at Dortmund in FM17, that didn’t translate so well into the Premier League with Chelsea.  I thought it would work great, but didn’t.  At least not as well as it worked in Dortmund.  I’m figuring there are a lot of factors why, personnel being one of them. 

Yeah, attributes is really important here, I reckon. Work rate, aggression and most of all anticipation. 

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Gegenklaus - i'm just trying to prepare a Mauricio Sarri tactic - i don't know too much about Tuchel, it would appear the two play similar systems. 

The issue i have is with the Sarri defensive line, if you play Standard mentality your defence is nowhere near high enough up the pitch. Napoli literally camp on the half way line during their games, so I've set to attacking mentality. Then tried to negate some of the effect of having this mentality by setting to retain possession and no risky passes, slowing down the tempo, this is beginning to work i think. 

Do you have any thought on this ? 

 

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On 25/11/2017 at 17:51, ifoundthatessence said:

Gegenklaus - i'm just trying to prepare a Mauricio Sarri tactic - i don't know too much about Tuchel, it would appear the two play similar systems. 

The issue i have is with the Sarri defensive line, if you play Standard mentality your defence is nowhere near high enough up the pitch. Napoli literally camp on the half way line during their games, so I've set to attacking mentality. Then tried to negate some of the effect of having this mentality by setting to retain possession and no risky passes, slowing down the tempo, this is beginning to work i think. 

Do you have any thought on this ? 

 

I have myself upped the mentality to control for two reasons; Getting a higher natural defensive line and more aggressive closing down. I even went attacking for 5 games straight with good results, But the play was too impatient for the style I want to create. 

@Ji-Sung Park did a great job replicating Sarri's tactic. He went fluid, making the team a little more compact than on flexible and encourage players to play broadly in most phases. He went control But put the tempo Down to Lower to replicate the patience Napoli plays with when building. Ive tried the tactic myself and I loved the outcome. The team would often strike lightning fast, first being patient and then explode. 

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14 minutes ago, Gegenklaus said:

Original post updated!

Done one season now. 

Good work again mate, i didn’t want it to end! Looking forward to season 2 :brock:

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1 hour ago, Gegenklaus said:

Original post updated!

Done one season now. 

the updated version of 4231 or more like a 42121 looks very similar to what Spalletti uses at Inter, and is something I want to replicate in my Inter save, so will definitely check it out later on, thanks for the tip! :)

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9 hours ago, Gegenklaus said:

Original post updated!

Done one season now. 

Why did you use two ball playing midfielders then ask them to play out of defence?  Their more risky passes PI will prevent them from playing out of defence.

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10 hours ago, nick1408 said:

Why did you use two ball playing midfielders then ask them to play out of defence?  Their more risky passes PI will prevent them from playing out of defence.

Good question. In Laporte and Rugani I got two very good technical defenders with decent vision (12) and good passing ability. If they have an oppertunity to get the ball faster up to the advanced trio up front I want to encourage them to do that. I often see, especially Laporte, them pass the ball straight into midfield, a pass that bypass the opposition's attackers. And I dont see the one thing exclude the other.

It might help the possesion game turning them into central defenders, and I will test it out in the second season. :)

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Interesting change to the formation.  Did I miss who you plan to use as the Segundo Volante?

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@Gegenklaus

Great update and fantastic to see the system working well. :)

Who are the main scorers and assisters? I'm guessing the vast majority of goals are funneled to the AF and assists coming from the IFs?

 And what is the typical goal your side scores? A fast breakaway from deep with Auba on the end of it?

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6 hours ago, Lobaeux4 said:

Interesting change to the formation.  Did I miss who you plan to use as the Segundo Volante?

I use Dahoud, the new Gundogan. I love the movement of the Segundo Volante because it starts deep and joins attack. :D 

 

7 minutes ago, davehibb said:

@Gegenklaus

Great update and fantastic to see the system working well. :)

Who are the main scorers and assisters? I'm guessing the vast majority of goals are funneled to the AF and assists coming from the IFs?

 And what is the typical goal your side scores? A fast breakaway from deep with Auba on the end of it?

Auba is the focal point, so he is typical on the end of it. He did 46 goals which is pretty insane. The inside forwards gets a lot too. Yarmolenko and Reus - who played most - both got around 12-14ish with around 10ish assist. 

Sometimes it is a fast break but to be honest, I'ce changed the system a lot so can be hard to tell. But Auba gets a lot of through from the two IFs and CMA when they got the opposition deep. Im not sure about the AF-role though. He is often a bit too isolated. Maybe I should put one of the IFs on attack, so one stays high. :)

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8 minutes ago, Gegenklaus said:

I use Dahoud, the new Gundogan. I love the movement of the Segundo Volante because it starts deep and joins attack. :D 

 

Auba is the focal point, so he is typical on the end of it. He did 46 goals which is pretty insane. The inside forwards gets a lot too. Yarmolenko and Reus - who played most - both got around 12-14ish with around 10ish assist. 

Sometimes it is a fast break but to be honest, I'ce changed the system a lot so can be hard to tell. But Auba gets a lot of through from the two IFs and CMA when they got the opposition deep. Im not sure about the AF-role though. He is often a bit too isolated. Maybe I should put one of the IFs on attack, so one stays high. :)

hey man! 

played some games last night and so far have 3 minor tweaks I'm considering:

- as you said above the AF seems to isolated at times, and gets caught offside too much, maybe becuase I have Icardi so he tries to beat the offside, also he doesn't seem to score a lot in this setup, no idea if they break him this patch or what but in beta he had like 40 goals in 35 games, but on the recent patch he has like 20 goals in 35 games and cant score simple 1v1s...

- I'm not sure about the deep DLP D + SV W and CM A, sometimes feels like the CM is way too deep and joins the attack too late, so I'm considering moving him to AM strata or move up the whole trio and make the SV a BBM 

- Sometimes it feels like the players move up the pitch too slowly for my liking so might do some tweaks to adress that :)

but overall since mixing this formation with my Spalletti's tactic I've only lost one game, away to napoli by being too agressive but will still most likely win the league :)

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13 minutes ago, cez said:

hey man! 

played some games last night and so far have 3 minor tweaks I'm considering:

- as you said above the AF seems to isolated at times, and gets caught offside too much, maybe becuase I have Icardi so he tries to beat the offside, also he doesn't seem to score a lot in this setup, no idea if they break him this patch or what but in beta he had like 40 goals in 35 games, but on the recent patch he has like 20 goals in 35 games and cant score simple 1v1s...

- I'm not sure about the deep DLP D + SV W and CM A, sometimes feels like the CM is way too deep and joins the attack too late, so I'm considering moving him to AM strata or move up the whole trio and make the SV a BBM 

- Sometimes it feels like the players move up the pitch too slowly for my liking so might do some tweaks to adress that :)

but overall since mixing this formation with my Spalletti's tactic I've only lost one game, away to napoli by being too agressive but will still most likely win the league :)

Yeah, the formation isn't set in stone and I am no FM veteran. I've been thinking about changing the AF to a Defensive Forward. I dont want the striker to be part of the build up all that much. I want him to push the defense down to make space for the IFs and CMA. In theory. Yet I am having a hard time analyse if I get the best out of the situation by prefering that. I need to test it out. Though the system is designed to counter the high press from a 4-2-3-1 and to put an extra very mobile pivot in front of the defense to screen. I am currently working on a 4-1-2-2-1 (4-3-3) that I want to be my go to tactic. 

Nice results! 20 goals in 35 games isn't bad, you know. :D 

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@Gegenklaus

I'd be interested to hear how putting one of the IFs on Attack or at least giving one of them the Gets Further Forward PI and keeping them on Support works out.

I'd be tempted to keep the AF as he pushes the line back and creates space in behind for the IFs and CM. Plus of course, he did bag a ton of goals.

KUTGW :thup:

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1 minute ago, davehibb said:

@Gegenklaus

I'd be interested to hear how putting one of the IFs on Attack or at least giving one of them the Gets Further Forward PI and keeping them on Support works out.

I'd be tempted to keep the AF as he pushes the line back and creates space in behind for the IFs and CM. Plus of course, he did bag a ton of goals.

KUTGW :thup:

Yeah, good idea. I think I will start with the Gets Further Forward PI, though having him on an Attack duty means he stays high and it could help our counter attacking ability. And also it would replicate how Tuchel had at least two players high up when defending. 

The amount of goals isn't solely because of this system. I changed it a lot during the season, and Auba is just a beast. Extremely consistent. Also I did praise the players a lot after each match. Everyone who played well got a praise from me. It almost feels like that aslong as the lads are happy they will play well no matter what I tell them to do. :D

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13 minutes ago, Gegenklaus said:

Yeah, the formation isn't set in stone and I am no FM veteran. I've been thinking about changing the AF to a Defensive Forward. I dont want the striker to be part of the build up all that much. I want him to push the defense down to make space for the IFs and CMA. In theory. Yet I am having a hard time analyse if I get the best out of the situation by prefering that. I need to test it out. Though the system is designed to counter the high press from a 4-2-3-1 and to put an extra very mobile pivot in front of the defense to screen. I am currently working on a 4-1-2-2-1 (4-3-3) that I want to be my go to tactic. 

Nice results! 20 goals in 35 games isn't bad, you know. :D 

yeah well Auba is a different player than Icardi so I'd definitely want to use his pace as well, however I will definitely try Maurito as a CF maybe or DLF as Spalletti encourages him to help with the build up a bit more than usual, something what Lewandowski was told to do at the beginning of his career. Good luck with the 433! :)

haha ofc 20 in 35 isnt bad at all but considering they've upped his finishing to like 18-19 this year and recent years he was able to score 40-50 goals a season I know he definitely is capable of more than 20 ;)

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6 minutes ago, Gegenklaus said:

Yeah, good idea. I think I will start with the Gets Further Forward PI, though having him on an Attack duty means he stays high and it could help our counter attacking ability. And also it would replicate how Tuchel had at least two players high up when defending. 

The amount of goals isn't solely because of this system. I changed it a lot during the season, and Auba is just a beast. Extremely consistent. Also I did praise the players a lot after each match. Everyone who played well got a praise from me. It almost feels like that aslong as the lads are happy they will play well no matter what I tell them to do. :D

Looking forward to seeing how you get on and with the 4-3-3 too. Though I suppose your current system must morph into a 4-3-3 of sorts anyway?

How do the fullbacks contribute? Maybe have the one on the opposite side of the IF that you put on Attack, on Attack too? To offer a little variety in the play?

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5 minutes ago, cez said:

yeah well Auba is a different player than Icardi so I'd definitely want to use his pace as well, however I will definitely try Maurito as a CF maybe or DLF as Spalletti encourages him to help with the build up a bit more than usual, something what Lewandowski was told to do at the beginning of his career. Good luck with the 433! :)

haha ofc 20 in 35 isnt bad at all but considering they've upped his finishing to like 18-19 this year and recent years he was able to score 40-50 goals a season I know he definitely is capable of more than 20 ;)

Just had a look at Icardi, and oh my God, what a player. Very complete though with a vision of just 10 I would ask him to keep things simple in the build up. His off the ball is immense! And thanks!

 

3 minutes ago, davehibb said:

Looking forward to seeing how you get on and with the 4-3-3 too. Though I suppose your current system must morph into a 4-3-3 of sorts anyway?

How do the fullbacks contribute? Maybe have the one on the opposite side of the IF that you put on Attack, on Attack too? To offer a little variety in the play?

Their main job is to provide the width and even on support I see them doing a lot of forward runs and overlap. I am playing on a really high mentality (Control/Attacking), so they have a high mentality already. Though I want them to keep things simple. They just need to be a wide passing outlet and stretch the opposition.

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5 minutes ago, Gegenklaus said:

Their main job is to provide the width and even on support I see them doing a lot of forward runs and overlap. I am playing on a really high mentality (Control/Attacking), so they have a high mentality already. Though I want them to keep things simple. They just need to be a wide passing outlet and stretch the opposition.

Ah, if they are behaving like that anyway then there's no need to change I don't think. :)

Looking forward to further updates. I usually have a BVB save at some point and I doubt this year will be any different. :)

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5 minutes ago, davehibb said:

Ah, if they are behaving like that anyway then there's no need to change I don't think. :)

Looking forward to further updates. I usually have a BVB save at some point and I doubt this year will be any different. :)

They got a really great team this year. Though missing some quality when it comes to the defenders. A right back (I'm waiting on getting Passlack back), a left footed quality CD and a better GK. They have two of my favourite players in the game. The first being Julian Weigl - the future captain of the team - and Mahmoud Dahoud, who I will label as the next Gundogan if he can evolve his mental stats and passing ability. I've spend a whole season trying to up his Determination from 11. I got it to 13 now! Tried the same with Weigl, but didnt work out. Even Reus couldnt make him more determined. 

And as always BVB has some incredible talent. Isak (complete!), Pulisic, Passlack, Sancho, Zagadou and Bruun Larsen.

Though their squad also has a lot of deadwood in the likes of Durm, Subotic and so on.

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12 minutes ago, Gegenklaus said:

Just had a look at Icardi, and oh my God, what a player. Very complete though with a vision of just 10 I would ask him to keep things simple in the build up. His off the ball is immense! And thanks!

 

Their main job is to provide the width and even on support I see them doing a lot of forward runs and overlap. I am playing on a really high mentality (Control/Attacking), so they have a high mentality already. Though I want them to keep things simple. They just need to be a wide passing outlet and stretch the opposition.

I swear he's broken for me, he rarely scores but has like 10 assists with 10 vision and pretty low passing/flair... oh well love him irl but if psg/BPL clubs offer like 120-150 which i know they do I might just sell him having Pinamonti and Pellegri in the team :)

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7 minutes ago, Gegenklaus said:

They got a really great team this year. Though missing some quality when it comes to the defenders. A right back (I'm waiting on getting Passlack back), a left footed quality CD and a better GK. They have two of my favourite players in the game. The first being Julian Weigl - the future captain of the team - and Mahmoud Dahoud, who I will label as the next Gundogan if he can evolve his mental stats and passing ability. I've spend a whole season trying to up his Determination from 11. I got it to 13 now! Tried the same with Weigl, but didnt work out. Even Reus couldnt make him more determined. 

And as always BVB has some incredible talent. Isak (complete!), Pulisic, Passlack, Sancho, Zagadou and Bruun Larsen.

Though their squad also has a lot of deadwood in the likes of Durm, Subotic and so on.

Yeah, it's always fun with the prospects and having a few players that can be offloaded pretty easily to fund a new signing or two. Burki definitely needs replacing and a better DC bringing in. I'm not sure about Passlack as a DR though. I think I'd try and train him as an IF or maybe even the SV? :o

Haven't got FM18 yet, so I'm only going off his FM17 attributes from memory.

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1 minute ago, davehibb said:

Yeah, it's always fun with the prospects and having a few players that can be offloaded pretty easily to fund a new signing or two. Burki definitely needs replacing and a better DC bringing in. I'm not sure about Passlack as a DR though. I think I'd try and train him as an IF or maybe even the SV? :o

Haven't got FM18 yet, so I'm only going off his FM17 attributes from memory.

Uh, that would be interesting! The stats are pretty much the same. 

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@Gegenklaus how's the project coming along?

I've just completed my first season with BVB, winning the Bundesliga and Super Pokal and at the start of season two, we are very impressive indeed.

The system I'm using isn't a replication of anyone's, just fitting in the guys we had in the squad, supplemented by a few signings.

SK-D
WBR-S
WBL-S
CD-D
CD-D
DLP-D
CM-S
MEZ-S
RW-S
IF-A
AF-A

That's the basic set up. PEA had 37 goals in 33 games in the Bundesliga. So far he has 7 in 3 in season two. Needless to say, I'm quite enjoying it. :D

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