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So, ive been playing FM, or CM since 97 i think and i should think im pretty good at it but, the last 2,3 years i cant do **** at the game, it never goes my way. 

Ive been reading Bustthenet and Cleons guides multiple of times. But i cant get it right, i cant read the game and im trying so hard and used pen and paper to describe, watched previous games in 2D for example but i dont know what im doing is wrong or right for that matter. I will explain my team and setup. 

Im Crystal Palace, average team but not to shabby. I decided to scratch my current tactic and make a new one with no PIs or TIs to learn what they do (again) when i try them in matches. 

A very physical team, strong, fast but not that good with the ball, decisionmaking is bad, so is passing, teamwork, first touch. Ive decided that 4-1-2-2-1 is probably the best formation for my team. 

GK (D)

FB(a) CD(d) CD(d) WB(s)

DM(s)

DLP (s) Mezzala(s/a)

Winger(s)        IF(A)

CF(s)

Mentality is standard right now, want to begin somewhere and standard seems like a good start. Shape is flexibel, because i really dont know which shape to go with. I have tried multiple setups in midfield, DLP as the defensive midfielder, Mezzala, AP, CM and DLP as the 2 midfielders. And i have tried to be smart to change the roles depending on opposition but i cant seem to catch a break. I have Benteke, duuh, which started the season well with 7 goals in 14 apps but have gone dry and scored 8 in 29. Zaha as the IF to the left have scored 10 in 29 which is pretty good. 

Ofc im weak at the flanks, but my team overall is decent and should come around midtable and some decent football and defending should they be capable of. I have Cabaye and Andre Andre as CMs, both of them are good midfielders and can pass the ball. But nothing is happening attackingwise. I cant win 2nd balls, in every game the opposition is all over me and just plays wonderful football.

Im not really giving that much information, i know, but i just want to be able to enjoy the game and know what to look for in games. I can tell you that i have never tried so hard in a game to be good at it, im even reading the guides from Cleon, Rashid at work for hours sometimes:) I must have watched like 30 games this season in full "mode". Even Rashids youtube videos is taking up so much of my time:) Thanks guys btw!

So, bad passers of the ball, fast wingers, strong forward and 2 good passers in the middle, 3 because Milivojevic is pretty good as well. My thought is short passing as PI for the backline and DM, i guess it should be short passes becuase they are bad passers and have bad rating in decisions etc. the 2 CMs have risky passes and direct or mixed. I want to use the sides but not have TI to "play wide" to have my team more compact. And hit crosses to Benteke, if that isnt working then we have Zaha with pace to hit their backline, or Cabaye whos supporting Benteke from midfield with shots or through passes. 

What should i read? How can i finally learn? 20 years of CM and FM, i should be able to play pretty decent imo. I know i should be a better team, but i hate to be Barca, City, Real etc. If thats a criteria to learn the game i will do it, but not my biggest wish:) 

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I sort have been in the same boat as you myself however I have been lucky enough to have had  a wife & child free weekend, so I tried a new approach.  I set out my team (Wolves) as a flat 442. I then arranged a silly amount of friendlies and just concentrated on playing those friendlies.  I started yesterday at about 10am.  It is now 11pm the following day and I have just played my last friendly.  I watched every game on Comprehensive highlights (something I have never done before).  

 

In my head i wanted to play a compact, 2 banks of four able to retain the ball but be explosive on the counter when the situation came about.  I played the first friendly and did nothing to the PI, TI, OI and roles.  After the game I looked ta all stats, player and team analysis. From spending over an hour doing this pretty much after each friendly i tried (and failed a lot) by changing Roles and adding small amount of PI & TI.  I did this after each game. I am now in a position where I am starting to be happy with what I am seeing and will look for a long term save to start.

I will not boast to say what i have almost created to be a killer tactic, but one I have very very much enjoyed doing

Now I have only been able to do this because I have had the time to do so (apart from scaring the crap out of my neighbours when Steve Cook scores a 92 min winner at Newcastle), so if you have then that's great, if not, it will take longer take longer.

 

I know this may not be the answers you have been looking for, but this is what I have done after being in same boat as you.

 

I will say that these last two days have been the most rewarding in my FM journey and I have been playing since late 1990's.  

 

Good luck on your journey. 

 

 

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You've identified your teams strengths and weaknesses, but not really setup to use them.  You've described a few things you think certain parts of the team should do but its a bit specific, you need a overall plan.  For me they're a counter attacking team, draw opponents up field then attack with pace behind them with passes into space before they get back and organized.  I'm sure you've read Cleons counter attacking guide so i'll not repeat them.

I like your trying to keep it simple with TI+PI but look at your roles and duties. Do they look defensively solid?  Both FB's getting forward with 3 support midfielders, none of whom have hold position and two are told to roam.  Why are you throwing so many players forward and out of position?  I like clean sheets and if your struggling, you should learn to like them even if it means a 0-0 draw, that gives a basis to build on, both in that match and the tactic and overall strategy as a whole.  Hell go all Pullis on them and rely on set pieces if you have to whilst you get a feel for the tactic and what players you need to improve it.

Don't try and adapt for every single game, be a Allardyce, play your system and try and keep the players motivated, make a few minor tweaks if needed but don't try and go all @Rashidi and change tactics every game to counter every opponent :herman:.  Don't change things just because something bad happens, change because your instructions have put that player (or another because of him) in a bad situation.  If it was a good situation that your players are good at dealing with, but an opponent does something special because they're just better, it happens.

Put together your plan, have a read of guides regarding that style then look at how to apply that to your squad.  Post the tactic if you want and try to explain why you've done things and how they balance the tactic fit the plan.

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8 hours ago, AFCB08 said:

 

 

I know this may not be the answers you have been looking for, but this is what I have done after being in same boat as you.

 

I will say that these last two days have been the most rewarding in my FM journey and I have been playing since late 1990's.  

 

Good luck on your journey. 

 

 

This helps actually, gives me hope:) Thank you!

 

7 hours ago, summatsupeer said:

You've identified your teams strengths and weaknesses, but not really setup to use them.  You've described a few things you think certain parts of the team should do but its a bit specific, you need a overall plan.  For me they're a counter attacking team, draw opponents up field then attack with pace behind them with passes into space before they get back and organized.  I'm sure you've read Cleons counter attacking guide so i'll not repeat them.

I like your trying to keep it simple with TI+PI but look at your roles and duties. Do they look defensively solid?  Both FB's getting forward with 3 support midfielders, none of whom have hold position and two are told to roam.  Why are you throwing so many players forward and out of position?  I like clean sheets and if your struggling, you should learn to like them even if it means a 0-0 draw, that gives a basis to build on, both in that match and the tactic and overall strategy as a whole.  Hell go all Pullis on them and rely on set pieces if you have to whilst you get a feel for the tactic and what players you need to improve it.

Don't try and adapt for every single game, be a Allardyce, play your system and try and keep the players motivated, make a few minor tweaks if needed but don't try and go all @Rashidi and change tactics every game to counter every opponent :herman:.  Don't change things just because something bad happens, change because your instructions have put that player (or another because of him) in a bad situation.  If it was a good situation that your players are good at dealing with, but an opponent does something special because they're just better, it happens.

Put together your plan, have a read of guides regarding that style then look at how to apply that to your squad.  Post the tactic if you want and try to explain why you've done things and how they balance the tactic fit the plan.

Yeah, i missed my op a little bit. I dont have 2 roaming midfielders, only one who is either B2M or Mezzala depending on what i feel. The other one is DLP or CM with som PIs.

I will try and look it your way, maybe i try to hard and should tone it down a bit. I played counterattacking for a while and didnt condede in 8 games but only scored 1 so i made my team a little bit more threatening going forward. I will read that guide again and see what im missing.

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Hagginho said:

So, ive been playing FM, or CM since 97 i think and i should think im pretty good at it but, the last 2,3 years i cant do **** at the game, it never goes my way. 

Ive been reading Bustthenet and Cleons guides multiple of times. But i cant get it right, i cant read the game and im trying so hard and used pen and paper to describe, watched previous games in 2D for example but i dont know what im doing is wrong or right for that matter. I will explain my team and setup. 

Im Crystal Palace, average team but not to shabby. I decided to scratch my current tactic and make a new one with no PIs or TIs to learn what they do (again) when i try them in matches. 

A very physical team, strong, fast but not that good with the ball, decisionmaking is bad, so is passing, teamwork, first touch. Ive decided that 4-1-2-2-1 is probably the best formation for my team. 

GK (D)

FB(a) CD(d) CD(d) WB(s)

DM(s)

DLP (s) Mezzala(s/a)

Winger(s)        IF(A)

CF(s)

Mentality is standard right now, want to begin somewhere and standard seems like a good start. Shape is flexibel, because i really dont know which shape to go with. I have tried multiple setups in midfield, DLP as the defensive midfielder, Mezzala, AP, CM and DLP as the 2 midfielders. And i have tried to be smart to change the roles depending on opposition but i cant seem to catch a break. I have Benteke, duuh, which started the season well with 7 goals in 14 apps but have gone dry and scored 8 in 29. Zaha as the IF to the left have scored 10 in 29 which is pretty good. 

Ofc im weak at the flanks, but my team overall is decent and should come around midtable and some decent football and defending should they be capable of. I have Cabaye and Andre Andre as CMs, both of them are good midfielders and can pass the ball. But nothing is happening attackingwise. I cant win 2nd balls, in every game the opposition is all over me and just plays wonderful football.

Im not really giving that much information, i know, but i just want to be able to enjoy the game and know what to look for in games. I can tell you that i have never tried so hard in a game to be good at it, im even reading the guides from Cleon, Rashid at work for hours sometimes:) I must have watched like 30 games this season in full "mode". Even Rashids youtube videos is taking up so much of my time:) Thanks guys btw!

So, bad passers of the ball, fast wingers, strong forward and 2 good passers in the middle, 3 because Milivojevic is pretty good as well. My thought is short passing as PI for the backline and DM, i guess it should be short passes becuase they are bad passers and have bad rating in decisions etc. the 2 CMs have risky passes and direct or mixed. I want to use the sides but not have TI to "play wide" to have my team more compact. And hit crosses to Benteke, if that isnt working then we have Zaha with pace to hit their backline, or Cabaye whos supporting Benteke from midfield with shots or through passes. 

What should i read? How can i finally learn? 20 years of CM and FM, i should be able to play pretty decent imo. I know i should be a better team, but i hate to be Barca, City, Real etc. If thats a criteria to learn the game i will do it, but not my biggest wish:) 

What club are you managing now? I am doing a series on a few clubs and I will do with your club too.

Just saw Palace you’ve picked a hard side to start with I will see what I can do.

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3 minutes ago, Rashidi said:

What club are you managing now? I am doing a series on a few clubs and I will do with your club too.

Just saw Palace you’ve picked a hard side to start with I will see what I can do.

Im still going with palace. Its a hard challenge, for me, because the squad are so bad in multiple ways and with a small budget. Thats why i chose them in the first place! But its really tough. 

 

 If you could do a video about Palace that would be great, i think a lot of people would learn from that!

 

 

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49 minutes ago, Hagginho said:

Im still going with palace. Its a hard challenge, for me, because the squad are so bad in multiple ways and with a small budget. Thats why i chose them in the first place! But its really tough. 

 

 If you could do a video about Palace that would be great, i think a lot of people would learn from that!

 

 

The challenge with teams like Palace, is actually not the tactic but plugging player selection holes

 

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1 hour ago, Rashidi said:

The challenge with teams like Palace, is actually not the tactic but plugging player selection holes

 

Indeed, thats what im feeling every game and i dont know what to do about it. If i fix some holes there will be new ones. Anyway, looking forward to your videos and maybe read your book again for the 3rd time:) 

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When you look at your squad and analyse it, what appears as the single biggest issue you need to address immediately?

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I think you've just inspired me to start a save with Palace to see what I can do. 

I really like counter attacking football and their squad is well suited to it. I also really like Ian Wright and he is a legend for Arsenal (my favourite team) and Palace so should be good fun.

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5 hours ago, Rashidi said:

What club are you managing now? I am doing a series on a few clubs and I will do with your club too.

Just saw Palace you’ve picked a hard side to start with I will see what I can do.

Are you going to do a series for this on your YT channel? Would be very interesting to see how you get on with a Palace save. 

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18 hours ago, Hagginho said:

And i have tried to be smart to change the roles depending on opposition but i cant seem to catch a break

Thats your first mistake, try to get your team settled first, try to force teams to play your brand of football. You don't have the luxury of a deep squad to go tweaking roles and duties specifically for opposition. Some roles and duties can be changed, but what you want to do is settle on some way of playing that is going to be central to how you develop attacks.

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2 hours ago, Rashidi said:

When you look at your squad and analyse it, what appears as the single biggest issue you need to address immediately?

Ive changed it up a bit, not to much but much less PIs and TIs with counterattacking and flexible, won 2-0 against Watford away which is a good result. Watford is top 5. 

After the latest game i looked fine, but wasnt looking that pretty. That was without Benteke as well. 

The biggest issue is my ability to have decent attacks and have more solutions in attack. Zaha is chippin in some goals so that side is fine with Cabaye as mezzala. But i just look to easy to defend against and if i have more men forward i will get exposed. Its the balance between attack and defend thats my biggest issue and ofc my right side. Ward is decent and a good crosser, in front of him we have nothing, Puncheon is doing well but i want a speedy winger. For that i have Townsend and all he can do is run and shoot, Townsend is more capable of a attacking role but isnt doing what i want (PPMs i guess) so i have him on support, to help out more defensively and because i want him to hit crosses in to either Benteke or Zaha and not just "run around a bit". Ive tried with an attacking role and its a little bit "meh" sometimes. 

I will stick to my current setup the season out to see how it fares. It just so unsafe during the games, im never in control of the game because i dont have an attack to rely on. 

Squadwise its just the decision making and passing. So many easy passes and decisions are very bad. And they have simple options but to often they choose the wrong pass and opportunity. And that leads to us being countered or not creating much at all. Cabaye is the only one that can make those sort of passes and by far my best player, he should to everything in my team to be exact:) 

 

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I can see where your problem is. 

When I analyse squads I look at combinations and the totality. When I see Palace, I see a side that has a lot of good defensive midfielders, but an aging side with limited options for pace. At the start of the game, Zaha and Townsend are your fastest players but you really only have a one dimensionality attack when they thrust forwards, so you need to create really good chances via having space. Problem is once teams start reading your game that space will disappear. You are left with a few options in terms of tactics.

When it comes to strikers you have to cotton ball Benteke, cos he really is your only striker, options here are limited with Wickham;s long term injury, finally you have a serious problem in goal. If Hennessey gets injured, my grandma would be a better keeper than Speroni.

When we look at sides we need to assess them broadly first, look at what we have. You have quickly settled on one formation, but I am looking at creating a starting 11 from the beginning of the season and assessing my best options. 

You need to play to your strengths, form everything you've mentioned you have'n't identified how you would use those strengths.  This squad could finish in top easily. The challenge is how you plug the missing gaps, and give yourself more options.  Zaha isn't that good

 

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2 hours ago, Rashidi said:

I can see where your problem is. 

When I analyse squads I look at combinations and the totality. When I see Palace, I see a side that has a lot of good defensive midfielders, but an aging side with limited options for pace. At the start of the game, Zaha and Townsend are your fastest players but you really only have a one dimensionality attack when they thrust forwards, so you need to create really good chances via having space. Problem is once teams start reading your game that space will disappear. You are left with a few options in terms of tactics.

When it comes to strikers you have to cotton ball Benteke, cos he really is your only striker, options here are limited with Wickham;s long term injury, finally you have a serious problem in goal. If Hennessey gets injured, my grandma would be a better keeper than Speroni.

When we look at sides we need to assess them broadly first, look at what we have. You have quickly settled on one formation, but I am looking at creating a starting 11 from the beginning of the season and assessing my best options. 

You need to play to your strengths, form everything you've mentioned you have'n't identified how you would use those strengths.  This squad could finish in top easily. The challenge is how you plug the missing gaps, and give yourself more options.  Zaha isn't that good

 

I still think thats the best formation for crystal palace and something i am a little comfortable with. I have 2 good DMS, Milivojevic and Mcarthur, 2 good cms in Cabaye and Andre Andre. The only good passers of the ball in my side so the creative passing should come from them. I cant see myself playing without wingers because of Benteke should score a lot of goals from crosses. so 2 wingers, one to give Benteke some help up top as IF and running behing the defensive line, which he does pretty good. 

Van Aanholt is probably my best player this season, even though he has some bad stats, Ward is a good right back imo and fits Benteke with his good crossing. Its just falls to me by looking at the squad that 4-1-2-2-1 is the best. 

i could play a flat 4-1-4-1 but it really shouldnt make that bit of a difference, im pretty solid at the back and when i played it the attacking werent that different.  

So, how will i use my strengts? Keep it simple and safe at the back with support from my midfielders who are much better with the ball, they are the ones who can pass it and take better decisions. I have Benteke whos a great header of the ball, so one form of attack should come from crossing and i feel Bentekes role could fit a complete forward on support duty, the problem is maybe i will be isolated because of my two supporting midfielders, and i feel they both need to be in the build up of my play so that they always help the others. Another attacking outlet i would use is if Benteke is making space by coming deeper or roaming either Zaha or Townsend can use that space but i feel 2 attacking on the wings will be to easy for the opponents, but maybe thats good since either Townsend or Zaha is that good besides running, they should be far up the pitch but then they lose space to run at.  

Shape i feel should be structured, less creative freedom and a little bit more space between my lines. Maybe i should play fluid so my team is more compact? Shorter passes and closer to eachother, but that will be in expense of space. Play with more width so my team are wider and have more space so that my CMs have a wider area of passing maybe? 

I dont know if thats correct thinking, but i cant go any deeper in analysing what i think is best playstyle for my team or what am i missing? I feel that i have to work this out myself to learn but its tough. 

Hopefully i wont get fired this season so i really can work with this up until next season. I really like crystal palaces team and all i want is to make it work a little bit more. Just so i feel the satisfaction when im 10th in the league not 15th:) I wanna be safe, not struggling at the bottom!

EDIT: Tried something new, went with a 4-4-2 on my assistants request. Modified it a little, but in short the same strategy as my 4-1-2-2-1 and thought behind it. Thought i would get hammered in the middle, but my players acted much better, they actually won the ball back and were aggressive. Just had higher tempo to get the ball up faster. 

Smashed Newcastle 6-1 and Arsenal 4-0 just like that. This just makes me even more confused, ofc we had played much more direct and could keep the ball easier up top but it was like seeing different players in crystal palace. Townsend actually went wide and did crosses. Even though i had less stability backwards it was opposite. I dont know. Just makes me angry when i try so hard with one tactic, just flukes up a 4-4-2 with the same thought as my 4-1-2-2-1.. uughh. Yeah, Loftus-cheek was up top with Benteke, he cant even shoot. 

 

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Rashidi and others have touched on most of the points I was going to make, but figure something here might help....

-always consider the level and expectations. Crystal Palace is predicted to finish 13th. So not one of the worst squads in the Prem, but below average. Its certainly possible to overachieve, but its challenging. When you look at the squad, you see good players. Not great ones. How many in the starting squad would you expect to be regulars for one of the Prem's biggest sides? Cabaye but that's about it. Most of the squad is typical mid-Prem quality - good but not great, either players who are outstanding in certain ways but very limited in others (Townsend, Zaha, even Benteke) or rounded players who don't stand out in many ways. Cabaye even fits that to a degree - he's a very nicely rounded player and can be the passing heartbeat, but he's not an elite level passer. Compare him to, say, Fabregas, in that regard. Almost a third of the Prem is world class clubs that are filled with world class players. Another third are similar to Crystal Palace - full of good players, with maybe one or two players that are a step above that. 

-when it comes to something like players turning over the ball with poor passing, look at some insistence and look at why. Cleon had a great post in the 4-2-3-1 thread today about wingers not doing what they are "supposed to" and why that can happen. So if a player is making poor passes, is it because he is poor at passing? Is he being pressured? Being asked to do things he really can't? Have a lack of options? 

-in the OP, you mention having short passing for the defenders and DM because they are bad at passing. Maybe its just your wording, but it almost strikes me as solving a problem before it exists? Do they cause you problems if you leave their passing at normal? Is this a solution to a problem you've observed, or are you just basing it on their attributes? Loads of defenders are rubbish at passing but don't necessarily cause problems in that regard. They quite often don't have a lot of pressure and should typically have several passing options available. But if shorten the passing range, that can reduce the available options. 

-not surprised that a 4-4-2 provides some advantages. Having those 2 wingers starting a bit further back - the midfield strata instead of the attacking midfield strata - helps out with defensive stability a bit. And the strength of Zaha and Townsend is running at defenders, and this gives them a bit more space. 

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OK so you've gone through your players and done some analysis. This is what I see and this is how I approach things:

Defenders : 

Generally most players have decent positioning but average to poor concentration. Your best defender is also your oldest and slowest, so he may be an option but not in matches where you want to up the ante and play on a higher defensive line - Damien Delaney. You have Sakho injured so your central defensive pairing at the start of the season looks a bit shaky till he returns. In terms of dealing with crosses you don't really have that many options. Sakho is a starter but needs to be paired with someone we have 3 options. On the flanks we have able players Ward is a shoe in, because he brings so much in an attacking sense. To fully utilise him we need players around him who can carry the weight.  You have loan options like Fosu-Mensah as well, however using him for long periods may be detrimental to the long term development of your players.

In midfield Palace are actually even richer than Liverpool. Riedewald stands as potentially the best DM for Palace in the next few seasons. It may actually be worth playing with a system that allows you to field as many as three of them. Along with MacArthur, Milivojevic, you have 3 ball winners here. Yohan Cabaye is without a shadow of doubt the best player in midfield who can attack half spaces and make something happen. Ideally we want a. system where we can use as many as 3 of them. This is the strongest part of your system. You could control matches, even if you don't win them.

In attack, things start looking shaky. Zaha, and Wickham are long term visitors to Nightingale's apartment, and Benteke never works very hard to look for a second date. So scoring may be an issue. In fact the lack of a second striker limits your attacking options. With the pace of Townsend and the rotational Bakary Sato we have a way to stretch teams, only if they give us space. This is one dimensional. 

If Benteke is the only option going forward who else do we have? There is an U23 player called KaiKai and the Korean Chung Yong, could they be retrained as strikers? Possible, but still not ideal. They have what Benteke lacks. So we are back to the drawing board. If Palace are to be successful their football will be one dimensional till they get someone else in as a second striker. Puncheon, is on his last 100 metres, he's not going to be around much longer, so this system needs to be designed for the future.

In attack then we have to create a system which can hit teams on the counter. Benteke's low work rate may be an issue if we want to develop a system that camps and drags teams around. Still that's the only option against some weak teams so what can we do? We need to build a system that hits hard when we are going from defense to attack. And, we need options to camp. This will be a poor second strategy till we find our second striker.

The configuration up top will definitely look like a wide 3 man to utilise their strengths. Now what about midfield? Thats easy, we have two options with the 3 man midfield and they both work. One will be an attacking variation and another a more defensive one. 

Your starting players:

Souare, Sakho, Fosu Mensah? Ward, Riedewald, Milivojevic, Cabaye, Sako, Towsend and Benteke

I have almost finished the video. Nearly each goal we score is off some kind of counter, whether its open play or off a set piece. Leading each counter will be Townsend, he will be the one breaking for goal. I will post up the show soon, its just one approach and its a fairly long video where I analyse the squad, delve into scouting then swing over and take a look at the tactics and then come up with 2 different styles. Once I get the thumbnails done the video will be available. It took me nearly 10 hours to do.

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4 hours ago, Rashidi said:

OK so you've gone through your players and done some analysis. This is what I see and this is how I approach things:

Defenders : 

Generally most players have decent positioning but average to poor concentration. Your best defender is also your oldest and slowest, so he may be an option but not in matches where you want to up the ante and play on a higher defensive line - Damien Delaney. You have Sakho injured so your central defensive pairing at the start of the season looks a bit shaky till he returns. In terms of dealing with crosses you don't really have that many options. Sakho is a starter but needs to be paired with someone we have 3 options. On the flanks we have able players Ward is a shoe in, because he brings so much in an attacking sense. To fully utilise him we need players around him who can carry the weight.  You have loan options like Fosu-Mensah as well, however using him for long periods may be detrimental to the long term development of your players.

In midfield Palace are actually even richer than Liverpool. Riedewald stands as potentially the best DM for Palace in the next few seasons. It may actually be worth playing with a system that allows you to field as many as three of them. Along with MacArthur, Milivojevic, you have 3 ball winners here. Yohan Cabaye is without a shadow of doubt the best player in midfield who can attack half spaces and make something happen. Ideally we want a. system where we can use as many as 3 of them. This is the strongest part of your system. You could control matches, even if you don't win them.

In attack, things start looking shaky. Zaha, and Wickham are long term visitors to Nightingale's apartment, and Benteke never works very hard to look for a second date. So scoring may be an issue. In fact the lack of a second striker limits your attacking options. With the pace of Townsend and the rotational Bakary Sato we have a way to stretch teams, only if they give us space. This is one dimensional. 

If Benteke is the only option going forward who else do we have? There is an U23 player called KaiKai and the Korean Chung Yong, could they be retrained as strikers? Possible, but still not ideal. They have what Benteke lacks. So we are back to the drawing board. If Palace are to be successful their football will be one dimensional till they get someone else in as a second striker. Puncheon, is on his last 100 metres, he's not going to be around much longer, so this system needs to be designed for the future.

In attack then we have to create a system which can hit teams on the counter. Benteke's low work rate may be an issue if we want to develop a system that camps and drags teams around. Still that's the only option against some weak teams so what can we do? We need to build a system that hits hard when we are going from defense to attack. And, we need options to camp. This will be a poor second strategy till we find our second striker.

The configuration up top will definitely look like a wide 3 man to utilise their strengths. Now what about midfield? Thats easy, we have two options with the 3 man midfield and they both work. One will be an attacking variation and another a more defensive one. 

Your starting players:

Souare, Sakho, Fosu Mensah? Ward, Riedewald, Milivojevic, Cabaye, Sako, Towsend and Benteke

I have almost finished the video. Nearly each goal we score is off some kind of counter, whether its open play or off a set piece. Leading each counter will be Townsend, he will be the one breaking for goal. I will post up the show soon, its just one approach and its a fairly long video where I analyse the squad, delve into scouting then swing over and take a look at the tactics and then come up with 2 different styles. Once I get the thumbnails done the video will be available. It took me nearly 10 hours to do.

Rashidi, This is why I love your work (and Cleons), I love the way you help FM Players. It is not handed to us on a silver platter, you allow us to figure the game out our selfs, let us into your thoughts and processes. Everytime iI read a post of yours I always go back to my save, and put things into practice. You have made me a better player.  

Big Thank you from me and 1000's of other FM players. 

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9 hours ago, Rashidi said:

OK so you've gone through your players and done some analysis. This is what I see and this is how I approach things:

Defenders : 

Generally most players have decent positioning but average to poor concentration. Your best defender is also your oldest and slowest, so he may be an option but not in matches where you want to up the ante and play on a higher defensive line - Damien Delaney. You have Sakho injured so your central defensive pairing at the start of the season looks a bit shaky till he returns. In terms of dealing with crosses you don't really have that many options. Sakho is a starter but needs to be paired with someone we have 3 options. On the flanks we have able players Ward is a shoe in, because he brings so much in an attacking sense. To fully utilise him we need players around him who can carry the weight.  You have loan options like Fosu-Mensah as well, however using him for long periods may be detrimental to the long term development of your players.

In midfield Palace are actually even richer than Liverpool. Riedewald stands as potentially the best DM for Palace in the next few seasons. It may actually be worth playing with a system that allows you to field as many as three of them. Along with MacArthur, Milivojevic, you have 3 ball winners here. Yohan Cabaye is without a shadow of doubt the best player in midfield who can attack half spaces and make something happen. Ideally we want a. system where we can use as many as 3 of them. This is the strongest part of your system. You could control matches, even if you don't win them.

In attack, things start looking shaky. Zaha, and Wickham are long term visitors to Nightingale's apartment, and Benteke never works very hard to look for a second date. So scoring may be an issue. In fact the lack of a second striker limits your attacking options. With the pace of Townsend and the rotational Bakary Sato we have a way to stretch teams, only if they give us space. This is one dimensional. 

If Benteke is the only option going forward who else do we have? There is an U23 player called KaiKai and the Korean Chung Yong, could they be retrained as strikers? Possible, but still not ideal. They have what Benteke lacks. So we are back to the drawing board. If Palace are to be successful their football will be one dimensional till they get someone else in as a second striker. Puncheon, is on his last 100 metres, he's not going to be around much longer, so this system needs to be designed for the future.

In attack then we have to create a system which can hit teams on the counter. Benteke's low work rate may be an issue if we want to develop a system that camps and drags teams around. Still that's the only option against some weak teams so what can we do? We need to build a system that hits hard when we are going from defense to attack. And, we need options to camp. This will be a poor second strategy till we find our second striker.

The configuration up top will definitely look like a wide 3 man to utilise their strengths. Now what about midfield? Thats easy, we have two options with the 3 man midfield and they both work. One will be an attacking variation and another a more defensive one. 

Your starting players:

Souare, Sakho, Fosu Mensah? Ward, Riedewald, Milivojevic, Cabaye, Sako, Towsend and Benteke

I have almost finished the video. Nearly each goal we score is off some kind of counter, whether its open play or off a set piece. Leading each counter will be Townsend, he will be the one breaking for goal. I will post up the show soon, its just one approach and its a fairly long video where I analyse the squad, delve into scouting then swing over and take a look at the tactics and then come up with 2 different styles. Once I get the thumbnails done the video will be available. It took me nearly 10 hours to do.

Wow! Really appreciate your help, thank you so much! Its really obvious that im not thinking in all way, example Bentekes workrate and what that gives the team. Thinking to small and precise i guess. 

Ive made it up, thanks to my 4-4-2 and will more carefully work with my tactic til next season, thanks a lot to you and ofc the others who answered me in this thread. 

Looking forward to your upcoming video, thanks again Rashidi! Will support you by being patreon again!:) Keep it up!

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I hope the video helps, forgive me, but it beats typing and you can probably see some context. And you don't need to support me on Patreon, I would have done this nevertheless, and I am not trying to pitch that here. Thanks nevertheless, now I got to go work on the Derby County one :-(

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Not until Nov 10, a bit hard to upload to steam workshop at the moment. Once Nov 10 comes and goes, then yes. All my views will be on the Steam Workshop

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Rashidi I’ve Just watched your getting started YouTube and found it very useful thanks, would you do an Aston Villa one? 

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20 hours ago, Rashidi said:

 

I hope the video helps, forgive me, but it beats typing and you can probably see some context. And you don't need to support me on Patreon, I would have done this nevertheless, and I am not trying to pitch that here. Thanks nevertheless, now I got to go work on the Derby County one :-(

Thank you! Learned a lot and will take it with me to next season. Lost cabaye due to not wanna sign a new contract. Got a little bit more of a budget now so can improve my side:) 

 

Thank you! Im an old patreon and planned to support you again anyway:) 

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