Soviet Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I would be interested in that @knap Also, I made a massively simplified 442 based on Midsommer 442 (uploaded). It works fine in lower leagues. Fun fact: low crosses are the key to success. Change them to mixed and you drop about 10 places in league. Strange. 442#1.tac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachVince Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Which tactics work the best atm bro ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 I would say GOODBYE 343 is very intense attacking tactic and GOODBYE 3430 from last year. If you used a tactic last year I would try the updated FM 18 version as you would have a good comparison when looking at Beta. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 I will have a look at the simplified 442, although I will be playing CIV VI today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 6 hours ago, tremor said: With respect to the LL results I've been running the 3430 as my main tactic since just before Christmas with Wimbledon. I was mid table going into the Christmas period when I loaned an extra SS for the squad. Since then I've been on a 22 game unbeaten run and finished 4th. Got the play offs to run this evening. Was the best ever tactic for 2017. Won the FA-cup with FC United still in league two with this tactic. Also Champions League victory with Rosenborg of norway in second season, 120-130 abb players. So for mr pompeyboyz, I dont know what your agenda is here, if you want to discuss tactics testing, i suggest you make a thread for it. There is no doubt that MR L`s tactic testing really works, as the top tactics are the best ingame also. Oh and tremor, have you tried using defensive mentality against teams who just shut up shop? I actually had better results with this mentality after a season or two. Bit ironic that going more defensive, makes you get the breaktrough goal, but it actually works. Trying to make this tactic function properly in FM18 now, still insane in defence, but not so great scoring as before. Knap, i can see you have moved the shadow strikers into real striker posistions now, what is your thinking behind this? Shadow Strikers not functioning as great as on FM17? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 I am expecting the shadow tactics to fail on the 10th, as GOODBYE 3430 was so high profile being way out front in MR Ls tactic league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 I would agree. Cant find the same danger from the shadow strikers in terms of trough balls from one to the other at present. Still hoping though, might start a game with a poor team to see how it still gets on. If it doesnt work, ill probably try your new one with strikers if you dont mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasBR Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 KnapGOD! Magician of tactics, thanks for the effort mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acura Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 i am using blue matter 4 3 3 . Which invidual training should i use for midfielders , central midfielder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corei Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 For God sake, please someone can suggest me "classic" 4-2-3-1 with IF's and has popular roles like DLP/BPD/APM that works good with mid table/top teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generation-Next Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 So you think just because the roles "Popular" It will be a better tactic? Give your head a wobble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Just now, Generation-Next said: So you think just because the roles "Popular" It will be a better tactic? Give your head a wobble. What he might be referring to is roles with better familiarity in the lower leagues. Won't be too many Mezzala, Segundo Volante or Carrilero capable players in the National League South Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tremor Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Rober82 said: Oh and tremor, have you tried using defensive mentality against teams who just shut up shop? I actually had better results with this mentality after a season or two. Bit ironic that going more defensive, makes you get the breaktrough goal, but it actually works. Will give it a go tonight, whilst I'm not expecting to go up through the playoffs, some big teams in there, grabbing an away victory would be a great boost. I've also been experimenting with running a mixed front 3. Having a pacy striker or target man in front of the shadow strikers seems to be pretty effective. Before running knaps 3430 I had been trying to get a formation that worked like Tottenhams kane, alli, erikson. I was already running a similar midfield and defence to knaps but the flat 3 ss ended up being the most effective. Although the 3 striker variants just don't have the same pressing and defensive solidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 The 4321 or 3421 are the Spurs type set ups. I also like to use a narrow 4231 and bring Marcus Edwards on for a few games. I often uss players with red for a role in LL even Davies at Spurs is red for the pushed up WB role. At the moment it is good to experiment with the new roles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 knap, can I ask what was edited/added in the original post? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 I added the top tactic which is GOODBYE but with 3 fwds, I guess this will be the formation of FM18. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corei Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 4 hours ago, Generation-Next said: So you think just because the roles "Popular" It will be a better tactic? Give your head a wobble. No, read better next time. I'm just tired of non-usable roles and formations gets success and classic 4-2-3-1 or 4-5-1 can't work as well as others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachVince Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 GOODBYE 343 GOODBYE3433P97.tac This one is the best formation for the beta so Knap for you ? Better than 433 Bluematter ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 3 at back should be more solid, BLUE MATTER Higher scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acura Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 3 hours ago, knap said: 3 at back should be more solid, BLUE MATTER Higher scoring. i am using blue matter 4 3 3 . Which invidual training should i use for midfielders , central midfielder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 I just use AM and maybe positional role training if needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acura Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, knap said: I just use AM and maybe positional role training if needed. There is no amc in bluematter tactic and there is no option to choose AM invidual training. Tactic has 3 central midfielders and should i use cm for invidual or players own main roles? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 7, 2017 Author Share Posted November 7, 2017 Assistant Manager will set it all up, if you have a player that does not fit a role then add positional training. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acura Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, knap said: Assistant Manager will set it all up, if you have a player that does not fit a role then add positional training. okay thank you sir Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 I let the staff do everything apart from OIs. I do this even in LL when the staff attributes are not so good, but if you can get a good AM. I am using FMT so even less to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acura Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I guess my midfielders need to train central midfielder? Because they have different main roles and my asistant manager is stupid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 This is the original test team and they did not fit either, and I do not retain for minor role differences. The CM A is the playmaker type player with B2B or more defensive minded CMs either side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acura Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 5 minutes ago, knap said: This is the original test team and they did not fit either, and I do not retain for minor role differences. The CM A is the playmaker type player with B2B or more defensive minded CMs either side. Okay i see , thanks for all informations sir , sorry for being a pain <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 No probs. I try to keep it simple and ignore the fancy names. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OllyAI Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Any of these tactics coming out as front runner in your opinion @knap? In FM17 goodbye3430 was great with any team underdog or not. Which do you see being most similar right now if not just the updated version of that tactic itself... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 343 is the front runner for both under dog and top dog. I am more than happy to play with a striker or 442s. rather than strikerlessl. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardhck73 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 i am playing beta 3430 wb , i notice goals conceded thru crossing from flanks. any idea to reduce that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 I assume the AI are going for the FB overlap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
acura Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 for better results should i prefer FB(s) or WB(a) with blue matter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 WB on attack in Blue Matter results in scoring a ton of goals, but if you want to shore the defence up a bit I stick the right sided central midfielder back into a DM position on defend and place the other two central midfielders as a two in front of him (same roles as original tactic) and that makes you more solid defensively. It does also reduce scoring power a bit though but is more balanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 BLUE MATTER is about goal scoring, but if happy with a lead you can always use a SUS tactic to close out game. I will have a look at DM, but again once in the lead being more defensive can see out a game. Always have a SUS type tactic available. These can also be used for very difficult away games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piaz88 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 what is a SUS tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 Shut up Shop The 2 key elements are dropping to lower mentality ( contain) and dropping FB runs by gong to defend or DFBs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardhck73 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 do u suggest combination of blue matter and 3430 is the best tactic? start with blue matter, score and change to 3430 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 You can play in this way. There is no reason not to start with a different tactic for home or away games. I often change formation to use best players available, so you can use a mix of tactics . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 For those in LL this is a sort of guide to key attributes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piaz88 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 so in best case the midfielders should be the best players or am i getting this wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 They are the most versatile regarding attributes. I used to get on loan a striker from Wolves with pace and finishing and could destroy teams in LL, so other roles are more focused on specific attributes. Your WBs do an awful lot of work, so worth finding good players for this role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuno Dias Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 20 minutes ago, knap said: They are the most versatile regarding attributes. I used to get on loan a striker from Wolves with pace and finishing and could destroy teams in LL, so other roles are more focused on specific attributes. Your WBs do an awful lot of work, so worth finding good players for this role. We can always use that table for bigger clubs and simply extrapolate the values in green and dark green, right ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 It is probably +1 in attributes for every league above, as a rough guide. I use attribute masking but you should always read the scout report for the hidden attributes. Younger players also have the potential to develop especially with match time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardhck73 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 what attributes good for closing down, which required by your tactics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 In general Green CM attributes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardhck73 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 a forward in blue matter didn't close down enough, according to AM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 I would ignore AM on tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 8, 2017 Author Share Posted November 8, 2017 The FBs also need to bomb up and down wings all day so stamina natural fitness are key attributes if you can get them. Last year I could only find some CD with Determination 1, but they were still on an average of 7.5 rating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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