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Hello,

I have always either lucked out on a tactic, or used someone elses as a base and adapted it to suit my needs. However I have decided I wanted to create something new. As a base I wanted to do something similar to Cleon and his Defence against the Dark Arts from FM14. However I didn't want to copy it directly as that does nothing for me at the end of the day. I have somewhat "stolen" (don't judge me) the back four and the bulk of the team instructions, but essentially that because I want the team to pass it about at the back between themselves, and then exploit the space behind. 

Good Things

I have lots of possession (over 60%) at times. But possession isn't one of my main goals to be honest with you.

While not constantly getting clean sheets. I only seem to concede from screamers and set pieces.

Teams have lots of long shots against me. 

I give up few clear cut chances. 

Bad Things

80% of my shots are long shots in most games. 

I do not score many goals.

My forward players tend to dribble themselves in to opposition players or just stand there when they have close passing options available. A lot of the times I get in to the oppositions half and then it stops. A player stands there and awaits the inevitable tackle. 

 

The Tactic

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I don't have any PI's except for the GK to pass out to the centre backs.

 

Fixtures

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What am I after?

Well Goals to be honest.

My teams crossing is also atrocious, most crosses seem to hit the near post for some reason? No one is set to aim to the near post for crossing. 

I'm essentially after some suggestions for what to do to improve the attacking side of the tactic without compromising the defensive side entirely. I'm not after some fancy super attacking quick passing style of play. I want to stay defensive and create a few chances up top. 

 

If anyone wants to set other screens etc then let me know. 

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You need people in the box. You need somebody to make the forward runs, the AP is the only attack duty and that's hardly a role that provides penetration in the box. The CF on support will often drop off as will both IFs. You could change the CMs to an attack duty to increase forward runs, maybe change the AP to support for more defensive stability in midfield. Definitely add an attack duty on the wings too, and compensate it by changing the corresponding CWB to a slightly more defensive role to compensate, maye a FBs.

Forward runs dude, it's all about getting men in the box. 

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44 minutes ago, waldywaldy said:

You need people in the box. You need somebody to make the forward runs, the AP is the only attack duty and that's hardly a role that provides penetration in the box. The CF on support will often drop off as will both IFs. You could change the CMs to an attack duty to increase forward runs, maybe change the AP to support for more defensive stability in midfield. Definitely add an attack duty on the wings too, and compensate it by changing the corresponding CWB to a slightly more defensive role to compensate, maye a FBs.

Forward runs dude, it's all about getting men in the box. 

I agree with a lot of this. However, Would an AP/s provide much defensive stability though? Currently have Ganso as my main starter and the only tackle he’s likely to consider is his own..

I have noticed that the CWB’s don’t get towards the byline much even though look for overlap is selected. So maybe change the LB CWB to attack and this will give the AP another outlet to pass to down the left? Because I have a Defensive Mentality I am wary of having to many attacking player mentalities. Or am I being too cautious?

Any suggestions for the CF/s up top then? I had him as support to again provide Ganso with some one to pass to who could play the Inside Forwards in. But you are right in thinking he drops off a lot and therefore isn’t always available to cross to when the ball goes out wide.

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So I was getting sacked in the last game due to exceptionally poor form, therefore I have started again with West Ham and continue what i started.

This is my new version. Thoughts?

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That looks better, you previously had a defensive mentality with 4 forward players on support, so from my understanding (someone correct me if I am wrong) you are going to have a team that is quite deep with many players that are not going forward that much.

The only thing I would question there in the second one is team instructions.  I presume you are very worried about getting beaten? Not sure on the value of 'drop deeper' on a defensive mentality, and also whether West Ham are suited to such a possession based system. 

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3 hours ago, Suede2 said:

So I was getting sacked in the last game due to exceptionally poor form, therefore I have started again with West Ham and continue what i started.

This is my new version. Thoughts?

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I’d watch out for the AF as he could potentially be isolated due to the combination of a defensive mentality coupled with drop deeper, and the use of a structured team shape. Also, similar to your previous tactic, the AP-A isn’t really going to get into the box, so this increses the threat of isolation.

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I have found that the Complete Forward on attack duty seems to have the most success for goals scored. Also I have had more success with at least two strikers rather than just one up front, but I have really only played in lower leagues to be fair.

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  • The only thing I would question there in the second one is team instructions.  I presume you are very worried about getting beaten? Not sure on the value of 'drop deeper' on a defensive mentality

With Drop Deeper, I was attempting to create space for my players to go forward in to. 

 

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I’d watch out for the AF as he could potentially be isolated due to the combination of a defensive mentality coupled with drop deeper, and the use of a structured team shape. Also, similar to your previous tactic, the AP-A isn’t really going to get into the box, so this increases the threat of isolation.

What would you suggest in it's place? CM/A

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The mentality you select modifies the D-line, closing down, width, tempo and passing patterns.  Defensive is already deep without modifying, I feel like you need to remove some of the instructions and just watch how it plays then decide if there is an issue that changing the instruction may help with (such as d-line) then see what the difference is on the pitch.

I think you could drop: Look For Overlap, Play Narrower, Drop Deeper, Be More Disciplined, and Stick To Positions.   I think you've taken things to extremes without knowing if your players can play your specific style.  Free them up a bit and make reasoned selections based on what your seeing on the field.

I don't think a AF-A will have a good time in that tactic but I could be wrong.  With two IF's and a team looking to retain possession i'd want him to drop and link up in deeper areas and hopefully create space for the IF's to run in behind.

 

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