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Ratings. Fines. WHY?!?!

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So, last match wasnt good, player got 6.1, player got 6.3.   I subbed them both at the same time, so, WHY could I only fine the 6.3 guy and only warn the 6.1 guy??? 

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19 minutes ago, rinso said:

So, last match wasnt good, player got 6.1, player got 6.3.   I subbed them both at the same time, so, WHY could I only fine the 6.3 guy and only warn the 6.1 guy??? 

Did you fine the 6.1 guy recently? Maybe in the previous match? This is interesting.

You only have "issue a warning" under "discipline player for poor performance" but fines are not there, right?

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Yeah, all I can do is talk to him and warn him.    Don;t think I fined him match before, but still shouldn't matter imo. If he plays bad then he deserves fine, especially if he is worst player... 

 

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Btw, is this even a thing in real life? Is it possible to fine a player for poor performances? Does it happen? Not sure about other countries, but in Italy fining a player for poor performances would be a PR nightmare, and then the player would sue the club - and most likely win in court.

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Sure. I am just trying to understand what might cause this. I have seen "discipline player" is not there as a whole despite a bad performance but i have never seen "issue a warning" under discipline player is there but 1 week and 2 week fines are not.

I guess you don't have "discipline player" under the interaction section of the 6.1 player. Just advice, praise and warn.

Like "criticise training level" can not be used in a short period of time back to back, this may be related to something like that. Otherwise it must be a bug. Costly mistakes might also be relevant.

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46 minutes ago, kandersson said:

Btw, is this even a thing in real life? Is it possible to fine a player for poor performances? Does it happen? Not sure about other countries, but in Italy fining a player for poor performances would be a PR nightmare, and then the player would sue the club - and most likely win in court.

Yes.  Wigan Athletic got hammered by Spurs who put 9 past them.  The entire team was fined a weeks wages and the money went to reimburse the fans that had bought tickets.

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52 minutes ago, kandersson said:

Btw, is this even a thing in real life? Is it possible to fine a player for poor performances? Does it happen? Not sure about other countries, but in Italy fining a player for poor performances would be a PR nightmare, and then the player would sue the club - and most likely win in court.

Yes. In 2015, Olympiacos chairman fined the players for poor performances after two matches. How much? A total of 500.000€. If you understand Greek, check this.
Of course, I am not sure if he did fine them, or if it was only for the public's eyes, you know.

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1 minute ago, ilkork said:

Thanks, though from brief research and according to FIFA jurisprudence apparently these type of fine should not be valid https://books.google.it/books?id=y0YsDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA215&lpg=PA215&dq=fine+player+for+poor+performances&source=bl&ots=n-TCQoysB7&sig=6CGDRpmU_-DqcisHFDZ2B3hlX5A&hl=it&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwit6uLSs_bWAhWFPRoKHStjDIMQ6AEIXzAG#v=onepage&q=fine player for poor performances&f=false

I don't know, maybe something to research and discuss for future releases.

 

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My understanding of this issue is that it is difficult to discipline a player for a one off poor performance - the options to warn/discipline will only appear if there has been a run of poor performances to merit the warning.  This would reflect real life in any workplace where it is unlikely that you would be disciplined and especially fined for a one-off bad day at work.

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4 hours ago, FrazT said:

My understanding of this issue is that it is difficult to discipline a player for a one off poor performance - the options to warn/discipline will only appear if there has been a run of poor performances to merit the warning.  This would reflect real life in any workplace where it is unlikely that you would be disciplined and especially fined for a one-off bad day at work.

 

On a similar topic, I find it a bit strange that I cannot fine a player for constantly getting yellow cards. I have a player who gets almost one in two - he now has 13 in 27. This has been brought up in post-match interviews, where I have said he should cut it out, but there is no way to directly address this question with him. He has never got a red card.

 

You can only talk about discipline if someone gets red cards.

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tbh I reckon there are a significant number of FM’ers who are too quick to discipline players & would have a PFA rep knocking down their door on a regular basis, maybe SI could introduce union rep’s as part of the dynamics feature.

My own experience is that fining players have very little benefit other than making the user feel better & there should be a greater focus on what they say in team talks & individual or team chats.

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