knap Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 Tested with Arsenal in FMT no OIs. FM 18.3 FM18.3¬!FM17.3.1GOODBYE4231BARCELONAP100.fmf Tested with Barcelona no OIs. B ¬!FM17.3.1GOODBYE4231BARCELONAP106_BECFE558-CAB9-4463-8AB7-400E1AD7040B.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsdal03 Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I am having very good luck with the prevouis tactics of 4231+451 Goodbye. But the 4231 seems a lot better than the 451 (41231with dm) Is this down to the ME og AI fomation? because of this formation because it seems a lot easier to make a 4231 work than 451 with reversed diamond. I tried tweaking the Goodbye 4231 to a SS with AF on top and worked like a charm so will be looking forward to using this. Also, you always says it is tested without OI, will you say tactics are superior without Oi og with? Thanks a lot for tactics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 21, 2017 Author Share Posted September 21, 2017 Of all the positions the DM position probably has least impact. Superior without. I do sometimes test with and without. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasmuss Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 How do you run your training, including the individual one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 22, 2017 Author Share Posted September 22, 2017 I use AM with individuals on roles if not allocated by AM. I would also retrain when necessary Below is how others approach in detail training including individual training with GOODBYE.(mostly near end but post includes reasoning. OI's = NOPreseason Team cohesion - 50% - high intensity - no rest - Tactics On tactic Screen - add tactic to all 3 slots - Arrange 8+ friendliesIn Season - When Fluid Balanced - General training 2 notches from the right - high intensity - rest after match - TacticsIndividually rest 2-3 days to generate condition if their is 2-3 days untill next matchIndividual Training BPD - BPD + quickness WB'S - Complete WB schedule + quickness BWM - BWM or BOX or DLP - + Technique or Tackling (Depends on the player) BOX - BOX + Technique SHADOWS - Trequartista + quickness After my last post in this thread I wasn't going to post in here again as I normally move on to something different - however I had to post again becourse something surreal happened Earlier today I showed a screenshot of zero conceedes in 18 matches as a question in another thread - Someone said I was teasing & someone said the screenshot is fake - I documented the rest of the season in my friends Skype Chat - If anyone should be annoyed its him I believe that some of the guys however thought I was about to present a new tactic - I'm gonna dissapoint people if that is the expectation - I am gonna present to you what happened however - I will also tell you the secret or some might call it magic This is the Ajax story continued with Goodbye 3430 - Counter Version - 20/21 season24 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x285px.25 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x337px.72 matches won in a rowClick here to view the original image of 800x155px.26 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x339px.27 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x382px.28 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x279px.29 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x371px.30 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x403px.31 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x418px.32 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x452px.33 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x502px.34 matches playedClick here to view the original image of 800x510px.CH League Final - Stadium Santiago Bernaneu - VS Real MadridClick here to view the original image of 800x322px.Damn so close to go ZERO conceedes in the league - we failed in the end - but somehow it cannot be counted as a fail - We won all trophy's possible - I'll take that and then somebody can try and beat the defensive record in the meantime The Final League Table - CombinedClick here to view the original image of 800x280px.So what did I do? - What really was the secret? Training All Season Long - Rinse & Repeat Click here to view the original image of 800x86px.Normally - I would go team cohesion for the most of it - I only did that in preseason and then the above recipe - which is not really a trick - But keeping it at Tactics might seem a bit weird since I'm already fluid - This is by the way something I also saw back in fm13 other people did - So I went for it - I do feel that if you go either defensive positioning or attacking movement something renders in the match stats and in play - I feel you become worse defensively if you go attacking movement and I feel a bit on edge doing that - if I go defensive positioning which has been my preferred style for a while - I feel solid but my players seems to be inefficient - both styles have negative effects somehow - and I know it sounds really crazy me saying this becourse match preparation shouldn't have that big effect - maybe its just superstition - but it worked and I want you to try it and see what happens in your game - atleast for a season This could ofcourse be my 1st 11 that did all this and rendered the match preparation useless anyway 1st 11Quaia is a tall regent simular to someone Tall and strong Click here to view the original image of 800x307px.I like to have quicker BPD left and right - and then a Tall man in the middle with lots of anticipation decision and concentration - bonus if he's quick too. The others you should know - the star wingback Semedo got sold - so I used Troupee a dutch wingback in game instead - not a big name - but he's ok. I will say though - I have a feeling that you can successfully retrain wingers like Mbappe or someone who is good at finishing and get more goals out of your WB's - you should experiment with that. Shadows are quality regents no point in showing them - they are decent - To reflect Vietto do better though. I think the BWM are very important here - Walace is a quality one of those - linking defence and the transition phase very well - I know for a fact though you can be very successful with a creative dlp type in this position and if they have a great longshot I will not say no to that The Dutch League - The Portuguese League and all of the Small Leagues - are ofcourse not the most intimidating with a solid tactic & quality players Guys I apoligize for the teasing - I just wanted to show you the incredible pictures with the 2 goals conceeded in the league - And just to set things straight - this Ajax team conceeded all together in all competitions 7 goals - further they are also still on a winning streak obviously - I don't know how many it is now - didn't count it and I didn't see any updates on it - but we haven't lost so - I'm totally bragging haha! - ####Now that's how to troll#### If you Like This Post (Hypnotizing) - Like It - if you don't - True Colors Revealed Try this with other tactics as well and see what happens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggiotis Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 8 hours ago, Brasmuss said: How do you run your training, including the individual one? training has nothing to do with this tactic , you must follow the basic principles of training ,including the individual Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaz1977 Posted September 23, 2017 Share Posted September 23, 2017 Somehow i cant download the goodbye counter version at fmbase. Possible you upload it here too? Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 23, 2017 Author Share Posted September 23, 2017 There are a few GOODBYES and they are all available here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnyBee Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Player instuctions for 4-2-3-1(goodbyee)??can you help me??I don't see anything!!!!Thanks knap.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 Will try to post screenshots tonight for you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnyBee Posted September 25, 2017 Share Posted September 25, 2017 Thanks for help knap!I waiting the screenshots! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 25, 2017 Author Share Posted September 25, 2017 Part 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnyBee Posted September 26, 2017 Share Posted September 26, 2017 thanks ,again knap!These screenshots are awesome..i try this system and i wiil tell you the results!!Wonderful work.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted September 27, 2017 Share Posted September 27, 2017 Holy crap! It's only one match but I'm managing Barca in 2028 and after plugging this tactic in, I absolutely destroyed Cadiz 13-0. My Striker scored 7 goals. Granted I do have a quality & experienced squad but I can't recall a lopsided result like this. Another great job knap! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 27, 2017 Author Share Posted September 27, 2017 Always good to get a 10.0 performance. BLUE MATTER 433 does well with Barcelona. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 So what are you saying with the last post Knap ? Blue matter is better than 4231 Barcelona ? Just asking ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 BLUE MATTER scored 177 goals but conceded more. BM was 107 pts and this 106 pts. Someone asked for a top team high scoring tactic and I think I did 4 which included this and BM. One of other tactics scored 174 goals. They all probably won all the trophies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksmithlfc1234 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 One other quick thing - Have incorporated the Set pieces into the 4231 Barcelona i think that will help even more goals ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scutinio Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I like goodbay 343 tactic...I want a 4 3 3 tactic who work as better as 343...wichi tactic do you recomand me? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Have to be careful with set pieces because of transition, but these are my normal set pieces. 3430 Strikerless are difficult to beat for underdogs but it depends whether team is top sub or underdog. There is a WOF narrow tactic 4231 or Warpigs which is 4312 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scutinio Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I play with napoli...and I want to replicate sarri tactic but I don't now haw...can you help me to build a tactic like napoli...i'm craizy about 4 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Have you tried this guide for setting up tacticv Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scutinio Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Yes I tried but i'm not so satisfied...I want a tactic to play in a 4 3 3 sistem to be a combination from barcelona , liverpool and napoli.... can you help me pls... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scutinio Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Now I play with napoli with your goodbay 3430 and a like verry much how it's work but I want a 4 3 3 tactic to work as better as 343... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Have you tried BLUE MATTER 433 for Home games and GOODBYE DIRECT 3430 for away games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scutinio Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Can you post me this 2 tactic? Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scutinio Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I tried this 2 tactic...there are good but I have a quastion for you...do you want to make a tactic that play like liverpool style? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyHills87 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 @knap iv been using the goodbye 3430. its been very good so far am using it in the Swedish league of the lower divisions starting right from the bottom, been stuck in the same league for 3 season now won it x2 but i cant get promotion to the Swedish first division elite due to my club been semi pro, and the chairmen wont make it full pro since he dont trust me lol, but you think using that burnley 433 will be better or on par? or stick with the 3430, then i can change to the attacking once my team gets alot better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Zyndar enhanced Burnley so probably sub top, which would be more Lpool. Try it at home but it will be hard to beat GOODBYE 3430 unless finding it difficult to score and win matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 There is also a BLUE MATTER 4330 which may be more Klopp, try playing with DL and CD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisandroo Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 What training to use in preseason and during the season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 PRE-SEASON general training -TEAM COHESION HIGH scheduling 50% (no rest before-no rest after match) match preparation = MATCH TACTICS before the 1st game of the season general training -BALANCE AVERAGE (no rest before -REST after match) keep 50% match preparation MATCH TACTICS until 100% fluid, after that the training should be like this general training BALANCE AVERAGE (no rest before- REST after match) 10 or 20 % ( i prefer 10%) match preparation (whatever you like, it depends from the opponent - except match tactics and teamwork , its pointless to use these because when you have 100% fluid your players have good understanding) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scutinio Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 On 29.09.2017 at 01:03, knap said: There is also a BLUE MATTER 4330 which may be more Klopp, try playing with DL and CD What player instruction do you use????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 I tend to use a lot of PIs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scutinio Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Sorry but what means Pls? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted October 25, 2017 Author Share Posted October 25, 2017 player instruction = pi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesare Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 @knap What do you think is the best of your 4231 tactics for a team like Stoke or Schalke in first season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 STARGAZING 4231 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caesare Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 Thanks Knap. Do you advise the Highly Structured one or the Very Fluid? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 2, 2017 Author Share Posted November 2, 2017 I can't remember which one I used with Spurs but did not lose a game. I will try and check my old FM 17 saves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FootballManager89 Posted November 3, 2017 Share Posted November 3, 2017 How do i get this on fm18? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 3, 2017 Author Share Posted November 3, 2017 At the moment you can't, maybe when full game is here. The best way at the moment is to copy all instructions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kennedfn Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 I just copyed al instructrions for the Barcelona tac and works like creampie nam nam Works just fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 Which Club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 Updated to FM 18 GOODBYETI4231barcelona.tac Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 knap, does it appear so far that the best way(s) to score are from corners & crosses? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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