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Hi all,

In the last couple of weeks I've discovered that my holy grail of football tactics lies within the total football inspired by cruijff and guardiola. I'm trying to emulate this kind of football in FM. I'm not trying to copy an exact tactic 1 on 1, but it's more about the philosophy behind the tactics.

Lately I've been reading a lot of articles about Guardiola's philosophy and I was wondering:

When I'm emulating his ideas into any fm tactic, what instructions do I absolutely have to tick?

I guess I'll have to play very fluid, control. And further on?

- retain posession?

- work ball into box?

-play out of defence?

-high defensive line?

-high pressure?

 

My question in short is: what are the basic instructions that you would use every time  while forming every cruijff/guardiola-inspired tactic? 

 

Note: I have learned a lot from the topics of Özil to the arsenal about his fantastic ajax and barca tactic. But I'm not trying to emulate exact tactics, I'm trying to emulate the bigger picture, the philosophy (gosh, I sound like Louis van Gaal right now).

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2 minutes ago, VV Bal op de Lat said:

When I'm emulating his ideas into any fm tactic, what instructions do I absolutely have to tick?

This is the wrong way to think.

Instructions aren't on/off switches they are there to alter the default settings of the team mentality & team shape.

If the default setting of the mentality & shape are at the level you want there is no need to alter them via an additional instruction.

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1 hour ago, Cougar2010 said:

This is the wrong way to think.

Instructions aren't on/off switches they are there to alter the default settings of the team mentality & team shape.

If the default setting of the mentality & shape are at the level you want there is no need to alter them via an additional instruction.

Okay, you are explaining what's wrong in my thinking, I appreciate that. Do you know how I can emulate a guardiola/Cruijff philosophy in the tc?

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5 hours ago, VV Bal op de Lat said:

Note: I have learned a lot from the topics of Özil to the arsenal about his fantastic ajax and barca tactic. But I'm not trying to emulate exact tactics, I'm trying to emulate the bigger picture, the philosophy (gosh, I sound like Louis van Gaal right now).

I already know both topics, they are amazing. But they both focus on a very specific tactic. What I'm looking for is the global ideas behind any guardiola/cruijff tactic and how to emulate those ideas in every tactic I want to create.

 

For example: If I want to create my own 4-1-2-2-1 tactic, based on the ideas and philosophy of Cruijff/Guardiola. How can I create such a tactic within the tactical creator? Which instructies are absolutely necessary to emulate the correct style? (Not: how can I recreate Guardiola's barca. But: how can I implement his philosophy in the tactical creator.)

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If you want any kind of cutting edge, don't use both Work Ball Into Box and Retain Possession with Control. Basically, your players will just knock the ball around and you'll have loads of the ball without really making it count.

High creative freedom is a good call, as is having a high line. I tend to find pressing is better done on an individual player instruction basis.

Im never convinced about using the Very Fluid approach as I tend to find it opens too many gaps and leaves your midfield a little exposed when pressing.

In terms of roles, I would probably go for more generic roles, such as CM(s) rather than more specialist roles

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@VV Bal op de Lat

Have a look at this video about Guardiola's philosophy; players do not have any freedom and are assigned specific roles if I understand the video correctly. So I would go for very structured..

Edited by jorgvandervloed

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Thanks for trying to help me out guys, I really appreciate it!

As a matter of fact, a great piece of my problems in creating the tactical philosophies I want to see is because of the difficulties I have in translating my vision into the TC. Even after more than 400 hours of playing FM 15/17 I was looking for a way to implement my vision and couldn't translate it to the TC! I knew what I wanted from my squad, just not how to tell them to.

It was only until last sunday that I first clearly realised my real problem is what I described in this reaction and I started reading THOG's lines and diamonds again (had read it a year ago or so). That was a fantastic experience for me, as a matter of fact everything fell sort-of in his place by reading especially the chapter about the TC. 


In retrospective: when I first started this topic I just didn't know exactly what kind of help I was looking for. But now, after reading THOG's lines and diamonds, I think the need for this topic has faded. So thanks for your responses and there is no need for further help in this topic anymore. Cheers!

Edited by VV Bal op de Lat

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On 4/1/2017 at 12:19, jorgvandervloed said:

@VV Bal op de Lat

Have a look at this video about Guardiola's philosophy; players do not have any freedom and are assigned specific roles if I understand the video correctly. So I would go for very structured..

Structured in their own third and middle third, but freedom in the final third.

Specific roles but within fluid system and all players with common mentality.

FM is not sophisticated enough to replicate fully Guardiola's/Cruyff's way of playing. It can come close to it, but some compromises need to be made.

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