knap Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Tested with Lpool no OIs. !!!!!!!FM17.3Knap4231RAWSIENNAWBP97D_D9A335B5-693E-48C1-84F7-DC97989385DB.fmf Contain !!!!!!!FM17.3Knap4231RAWSIENNAWBP97contain_70C7F5C2-F007-4A7F-91AC-BB4533C07E34.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlatan11 Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 When we should play the counter 1 and when the contain? or they just 2 seperate tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share Posted March 18, 2017 The counter is the plug and play. The contain just played well - so use as and when such as a tough away game. Could also be used as a TW tactic, but easily tweaked to a TW tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogrebnik Posted March 18, 2017 Share Posted March 18, 2017 Again the same question. How is your striker doing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BazBazBaz Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 Hi Knap. In 2015 there was SIR GOALALOT with wing backs, wingers and advanced forward. What do you think about. Should be an idea also for 2017 ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 28, 2017 Author Share Posted March 28, 2017 Apart from FM17 prefers narrow formations, do you have the settings TIs PIs etc Can,t remember author but a v good tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BazBazBaz Posted March 28, 2017 Share Posted March 28, 2017 I only remember various roles Goalkeeper Central Defenders Defense Wing Backs Attack Box to Box Midfielders Winger Support Shadow Striker Advanced Forward Very simple formation but so many goals from crosses (forward and shadow both) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 Crossing has been toned down, but this set up is possible ¬FM17.3.1GOODBYEKnap4231GGP93_DCD88A40-65AA-432B-BD50-31CA7AB14961.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 RAW SIENNA Version ¬FM17.3Knap4231RAWSIENNAP96OIP103GGP93_62C996F7-4B9A-433A-A833-4D67705BCDE6.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 Results with OIs - tactic has now been tested over 76 games. ¬FM17.3Knap4231RAWSIENNAP96OIP103GGP93OIP97_A5C92E80-10EA-47E6-9667-70D910294B51.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BazBazBaz Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Thank you so much Knap. I'll give it a try in my Palermo save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 hey Knap, can i change wingers with Inside Forwards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 The original is with IFs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinWebster Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/attachments/share-download-fm-16-tactics/1025644d1456228667-sir-goalalot-4-2-3-1-fm16-reborn-sir-goalalot-fm2016-v16.2.rar This was the base tactic of the sir goalalot someone was asking for which was on fm16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Is this the best version to use? Sir Goalalot - 16.2 - Final v2_A6500475-C594-4DF7-B2DC-8EBA2D514774.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diegotimmy Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 @knapJust wanted to say thanks. I have been using your other 4-2-3-1 with Burnley (2nd season in now) and we managed a 7th place finish. This season despite improvements to the squad I'm not really seeing an improvement in performances. I feel like my L/R backs don't seem suited or technical enough for the IWB role, The team also has wingers and central midfielders that are decent so I am planning to give the wingers version a try along with the original raw sienna counter/contain. I'm hoping to get even better results. So with raw sienna counter/contain like in OP we use no OI's right? For the new wingers tactic though we use OI's. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinWebster Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 3 hours ago, knap said: Is this the best version to use? Sir Goalalot - 16.2 - Final v2_A6500475-C594-4DF7-B2DC-8EBA2D514774.fmf I am not sure, I just remember the tactic and searched for the thread and found this. I think the tweaks were very similar so the TIs should be about the same. for it to work on 17's match engine it would need some tweaking I presume. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 No - it works fine , which is surprising from 16.2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinWebster Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 1 minute ago, knap said: No - it works fine , which is surprising from 16.2. please could you post the tactic file for it to be in FM17 Knap? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 Should be that link - I just downloaded and copied to tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diegotimmy Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 Out of interest, a few questions: In the original tactic in the OP Is it preferred to use inside forwards with opposing feet on each side? IFR = Left footed or either IFL = Right footed or either Likewise with the recent iteration with wingers, using the correct feet on each side? MR = Right footed or either ML = Left footed or either Or doesn't it really matter? If using IWB in your older tactic does it matter also? IWBL = Right foot or either? IWBR = Left foot or either? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BazBazBaz Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 6 hours ago, FinWebster said: http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/attachments/share-download-fm-16-tactics/1025644d1456228667-sir-goalalot-4-2-3-1-fm16-reborn-sir-goalalot-fm2016-v16.2.rar This was the base tactic of the sir goalalot someone was asking for which was on fm16 http://www.fm-base.co.uk/forum/share-download-fm-15-tactics/331200-sir-goalalot-15-3-2-4-2-3-1-a.html This is the original thread I was talking about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share Posted March 30, 2017 At least we know the author, but 15 tactics will not transfer. The 16.2 tactic made 92 pts with Lpool. I do not specifically use any opposite feet. However, top sides like Lpool do have players with ppm's for cut inside and often for both wings. I always start from a natural position for players, however, if during a game the result is not forthcoming then I do change players around, although never tried with WBs. Most of this is getting to know squad especially with LL with smaller squads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diegotimmy Posted March 30, 2017 Share Posted March 30, 2017 I like the way the IWBs play, especially attacking and coming narrow high up the pitch but I seem to just get caught out on the counter and they lose the ball a lot. Its probably because they are geared more towards defense and crossing vs players in better sides. The traditional wingbacks seem to be working a lot better for me so far. Ive found even with the Inisde Forwards they are often in a position on the wings to cross even though they do also add some goals cutting in too so I'm not sure which is better, probably a player more comfortable with both feet rather than only left or right. It may be just because mine have the wrong ppms. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted March 31, 2017 Share Posted March 31, 2017 Hey knap what's the best 4231 without iwb's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog 83 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 This is the best tactic I've used in years. I'm arsenal and been smashing everyone to pieces. Just beat Dortmund 8-0 AWAY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, The Dog 83 said: This is the best tactic I've used in years. I'm arsenal and been smashing everyone to pieces. Just beat Dortmund 8-0 AWAY this or the one with IWB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog 83 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 The counter one at the top of the page mate. It uses WB attack. It's the one in the screenshot on the opening post. It's amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 I'm speechless right now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog 83 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 14 minutes ago, Vali184 said: I'm speechless right now... It's amazing isn't it. It's the best tactic I've used in about 10 years. The style is amazing to watch as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, The Dog 83 said: It's amazing isn't it. It's the best tactic I've used in about 10 years. The style is amazing to watch as well Do you let your assistant give OI's or I should play with no OI's at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog 83 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, Vali184 said: Do you let your assistant give OI's or I should play with no OI's at all? I'm not on my laptop at the minute mate so can't do screens. But I have a pre set oi's of show wingbacks and wingers on weaker feet, and I tightly mark all strikers. I have a really good team at the minute. Got Tah and Romognali and they are pretty much like a wall, but I think the oi definitely helps, especially instructions on the wingbacks to show on weaker feet because it makes them clear balls right into the centre of midfield where my team intercept them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Dog 83 said: I'm not on my laptop at the minute mate so can't do screens. But I have a pre set oi's of show wingbacks and wingers on weaker feet, and I tightly mark all strikers. I have a really good team at the minute. Got Tah and Romognali and they are pretty much like a wall, but I think the oi definitely helps, especially instructions on the wingbacks to show on weaker feet because it makes them clear balls right into the centre of midfield where my team intercept them Ok mate, so what you are saying is that you tightly mark strikers because you have good and pacy defenders? Can you post a screenshot of your OI's when you get to your laptop? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dog 83 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 45 minutes ago, Vali184 said: Ok mate, so what you are saying is that you tightly mark strikers because you have good and pacy defenders? Can you post a screenshot of your OI's when you get to your laptop? Yeah mate, I've got fast defenders so they can keep hold of the strikers. But the tactic was tested without oi by Knap and it worked well. I'm just using the oi's I've got set because I had them set for another tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted April 1, 2017 Share Posted April 1, 2017 can you recommend some PPMs for the 4 players upfront? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted April 2, 2017 Share Posted April 2, 2017 Despite dominating games I can't score many goals. All games I win are 1-0 or 2-0 max. My AML, AMR and AMC all have place shots ppm. Should I tell them to stop placing their shots? Seems like the opposition's goalkeeper is some kind of Superman, he can slow down time. From the six yard box my players shoot straight in him. He doesn't even need to move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BuggieNights15 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 switched to this after using the IWB version and the results and style of play is fantastic , I'm in 2023 so obviously I have a very good team but still it's very impressive Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 3, 2017 Author Share Posted April 3, 2017 With underdogs IWB tactics dominated the long term testing, but in general the WB tactics are preferred. Not sure if there is any mileage in playing IWB tactic away or for difficult games. Also noticing that attacking with very low tempo can be effective at home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulkster79 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Same **** different tactic!!!, Just joking, apart from this match is seems like a solid tactic plenty of goals and nice play. I just wish i could understand why we keep getting these kind of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 This is similar stats Heat Map tactic settings for full match Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hulkster79 Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Oh I was Everton by the way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 4, 2017 Author Share Posted April 4, 2017 I assumed so - contain is a very effective tactic even at home and the AI tend to use very defensive tactics which can lead to very one sided 0-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christrott79 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 This tactic is awesome! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali184 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 hey knap I have 2 very good inside forwards, both are left footed. can I use one of them on the left or he must be right footed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 I don't have any hard and fast rules. The Lpool players are both right footed but cut in from wings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardhck Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 knap, what should we do to get a goal very fast ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannicus89 Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Use a tactic with 3 at the back...... ...Just kidding. Is the WB tactic still good? Anyone who can confirm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 14, 2017 Author Share Posted April 14, 2017 Try Attack with lowest tempo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwardhck Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 29 minutes ago, knap said: Try Attack with lowest tempo knap, what should we do to get a goal very fast ? are u replying me ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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