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Franky's HUSTLER Tactic for FM 17 - updated for patch 17.3 P130 W115 D13 L2

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36 minutes ago, simonuk103 said:

Is this totally plug and play, including player instructions and training. Sorry to be stupid but what is PPM? Thank you for any help

It's not 'totally' plug and play, no. There are three settings you use, depending on your objective and they are........

Need to score - default

Opponents need to score and have gone to an attacking style of play - switch wing backs to support duty. You can tell when they have gone to an attacking style by keeping the 'opposition formation' box open in the corner and looking out for it to state ATTACKING.

Need to see out the game (second half only) - switch both wing backs to defend duty and set team mentality to contain.

The above info is in the 'tactic usage' section in the original post.

6 hours ago, WKTHFC said:

Cant locate training instructions in the OP apart from the PPM. Any advice?

Leave team training to the assistant manager but do all individual training yourself so that's training focus and PPMs for each player. PPM is player preferred move. The term has been changed to 'trait' for FM 17 but I'm old skool (6 months old lol). You access it by clicking on the player's training and selecting 'new player trait'.

 

6 hours ago, SavoNFFC said:

Put this into my Barca team. Doesn't seem suited to them as I've drawn the first two games against Deportivo and Napoli in the ECL. Against Napoli I snatched a 92nd min equaliser. and in both games the possession and chances were pretty even for both teams. I ended up subbing Suarez as the CF both times too with ratings of 6.4 and 6.2. Doesn't seem to suit the attacking talent they have.

Something's definitely not right. You should be killing it with Barca. What version of the game are you playing?

 

On 16/02/2017 at 19:16, silence_born said:

Guyys, help with team and match training, plz
serie C/a in italia

Personally, I leave all of that to the assistant manager. I don't pay him big bucks to be a lazy b*****d, you know :D

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25 minutes ago, JD 1984 said:

In the tactic usage section I'm assuming you mean standard when saying balanced? 

Sorry if wrong

No, I mean literally just switch both wing backs to support duty and nothing else. When I say BALANCED, it's not a setting. Rather, it's your team's approach to the game.

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1 hour ago, Franky. said:

 

Something's definitely not right. You should be killing it with Barca. What version of the game are you playing?

17.2.

I put Neymar as SS, Messi as DLF and Suarez as CF. I was averaging about 52% possession and not creating many CCC.

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paris fc was put in the top league in france, gave myself 100 mill to buy players as I had zero. no world class players, bunch of average ones outside of one striker. in the last 2 seasons with this tactic I have two league titles and a Champions league title. starting my 3rd season now.

 

 

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14 hours ago, Franky. said:

No, I mean literally just switch both wing backs to support duty and nothing else. When I say BALANCED, it's not a setting. Rather, it's your team's approach to the game.

My bad,thanks for clearing it up 👍🏻

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54 minutes ago, BojanVu said:

Is balanced standard or Control. I can't understand that?

Neither. The attacking mentality is still used. The only difference between default and balanced is that balanced has the full-backs put on a support duty.

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Frightening what this tactic and Wolfsburg can do together. Pulling off some unbelievable results and performances! 5-1 at home to Dortmund the best one so far.

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On 17/02/2017 at 20:57, SavoNFFC said:

17.2.

I put Neymar as SS, Messi as DLF and Suarez as CF. I was averaging about 52% possession and not creating many CCC.

You must be doing something very wrong not to be creating CCCs with Barca. Just plug in a default tactic from the tactics menu and you'll still create loads but with HUSTLER, you should be creating tonnes. I've played 95 competitive fixtures with Man United, losing just one and creating CCCs has never been a problem. I'm creating more with this tactic than I have with any other. Below is an example from a pre season friendly. I think I've got Ali Daiye (google him) using the name Anthony Martial and fluffed about 7 CCCs. I've uploaded the pkm file of the match to show how the chances should be created. There's definitely something wrong your side. When was the last time a team created 9 CCCs against a full strength Barca???

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Man Utd 3-1 Barcelona (HUSTLER 1.2c) 9 CCCs.pkm

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I've added an IWB version of the tactic (will create a new thread for it). Everything now goes through the middle with no wing play but due to the numbers you have going forward, this causes huge problems for the opposition. Their centre backs don't know what day it is with 5 attackers coming at them through the middle :D

Tactic usage is - ATTACKING - default......... ULTRA DEFENSIVE - switch wing backs to defend duty and set team mentality to contain.

IWB training focus - dribbling or passing, whichever is less.

Early testing shows that the IWB version is higher scoring and possibly better defensively also. Your feedback would be appreciated.

Now that I've released the tactic, I've rebooted season 2 with Man United and am using HUSTLER IWB. I've actually just completed the very first fixture. Pay particular attention to the link up between the two strikers...... it's eye wateringly scary!!!........ Bear in mind both are making their debuts so still to gel into the system.

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I think this tactic deserves it's own thread as the comments might be confusing, not knowing which version they are for.

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19 minutes ago, wezlaar said:

This one just hasn't clicked for me franky like your others have,

the triumvirate one still works wonders though! 

 

15 minutes ago, BojanVu said:

Don't work for me. This is my results with this tactic.

 

 

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Others have reported great success with HUSTLER so not sure what the problem could be. I've personally played 95 games with Man United and lost only once.

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First season in Prem with Coventry and bought in 6 new players quite fancied a IWB tactic. As you can see not totally fluid and early in season as yet but very impressed with results both in Prem and pre-season. Haven't changed anything regards being hone or away and find the defence much more solid. 👍👍👍

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Using Hustler with Bournemouth and top after 13 games still unbeaten. I'm going to give your new Destroyer system a go though for a few games and see how things go.

 

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8 hours ago, Franky. said:

 

Others have reported great success with HUSTLER so not sure what the problem could be. I've personally played 95 games with Man United and lost only once.

Surely it depends on whether you have the players to pull it off. I have tried the tactic with decent success, but it was noticeably better with one team which had a competent Complete Forward, pacier WBs, and BBMs with high work rates, compared to my team with a striker who could only play as a TM or Poacher, sluggish WBs, and lazy BBMs. When playing as Man Utd you're unlikely to encounter these issues.

I'm curious to see how the IWB version would work in a team without quick and defensively sound players for those positions. Darmian and Shaw are going to be competent enough to cover the flanks, but I can imagine some teams being annihilated.

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17 minutes ago, camg754 said:

Surely it depends on whether you have the players to pull it off. I have tried the tactic with decent success, but it was noticeably better with one team which had a competent Complete Forward, pacier WBs, and BBMs with high work rates, compared to my team with a striker who could only play as a TM or Poacher, sluggish WBs, and lazy BBMs. When playing as Man Utd you're unlikely to encounter these issues.

I'm curious to see how the IWB version would work in a team without quick and defensively sound players for those positions. Darmian and Shaw are going to be competent enough to cover the flanks, but I can imagine some teams being annihilated.

Oh absolutely. You definitely need the right type of players to fit the tactic in order to get the best out of it, hence why I have a guide in the original post stating what type of player is required for each position.  I also clearly state that lazy midfielders and wing backs are a big no no with this tactic. Having said that, I imagine more or less every tactic has specific requirements regarding what type of players are needed to make it tick. Also, I think those for whom the tactic doesn't work may not have the right type of players as you've mentioned and perhaps they haven't read the 'players required' section and some might think 'plug and play' means just stick any player in and off you go.

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Hustler with the 2 DLFs dominates but not getting much joy from the CF version. Fluidity with the tactic is high due to similarity with the original version so not sure why I'm not getting results. 

 

Should I skip it and go straight to Destroyer instead?

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9 hours ago, Baron Greenback said:

Hustler with the 2 DLFs dominates but not getting much joy from the CF version. Fluidity with the tactic is high due to similarity with the original version so not sure why I'm not getting results. 

 

Should I skip it and go straight to Destroyer instead?

To make the DLF/CF combination work, the DLF needs to be creative (good passing and vision) and the CF needs to be quick. If you don't have both positions covered with the relevant attributes then two DLFs will work better.

As for DESTROYER, it's the same tactic but with IWBs in place of regular wing backs so you lose the wing play and everything goes through the middle. It'll suit a wider range of teams but if you have wing backs with high crossing/dribbling/stamina/work rate then HUSTLER will be better.

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I've had a go with Destroyer and it wasn't going well. Hustler is so good anyway that I'm going to stick to that. I am hoping to sign Vardy at the end of this season (4 games left) so if I manage that I'll give Destroyer another go...

Excellent work, mate. Hats off to you!

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9 hours ago, Baron Greenback said:

I've had a go with Destroyer and it wasn't going well. Hustler is so good anyway that I'm going to stick to that. I am hoping to sign Vardy at the end of this season (4 games left) so if I manage that I'll give Destroyer another go...

Excellent work, mate. Hats off to you!

After further observation, the striker requirements for DESTROYER are not quite as stringent as with HUSTLER. Whereas HUSTLER thrives on a creative DLF and pacy CF, DESTROYER can work with any type of striker in both positions. I would say the PPM 'moves into channels' is more important with DESTROYER (for both strikers), as that will mean your strikers drag centre backs away from their positions and leave the central area free to be exposed by your attackers. Also, pace is not as important for your CF. Instead, decent 'off the ball' ability is what's needed as good movement from your strikers will help them shake off their marker and make themselves available for a through ball.

If you get Vardy, his pace will be more suited to HUSTLER, I feel...... keep us updated. Will be interesting to read your observations.

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Just switched over to this from using Phantoms with IFs forever. Liking what I see so far. I'm using an AF instead of a CF as I'm lower league and he's been scoring very well. In five matches so far, I'm 3W 2L, but those 2L were due to stupid errors such as giving away penalties or own goals. Pretty much like Spurs' second match against Gent today.

I'm definitely missing quality players in certain positions, but can't find suitable replacements yet. May have to wait until the end of the season to rebuild the squad as I took it over in early November. Playing as Sutton United in Vanarama National.

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1 hour ago, cerud said:

Just switched over to this from using Phantoms with IFs forever. Liking what I see so far. I'm using an AF instead of a CF as I'm lower league and he's been scoring very well. In five matches so far, I'm 3W 2L, but those 2L were due to stupid errors such as giving away penalties or own goals. Pretty much like Spurs' second match against Gent today.

I'm definitely missing quality players in certain positions, but can't find suitable replacements yet. May have to wait until the end of the season to rebuild the squad as I took it over in early November. Playing as Sutton United in Vanarama National.

Can Sutton get promoted in the game, Cerud? I know in real life that pitch prohibits them from going up.

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1 minute ago, Niall76 said:

Can Sutton get promoted in the game, Cerud? I know in real life that pitch prohibits them from going up.

Hey Niall76. I don't see anything on the club's page in the game that would restrict them. I noticed that Gander Green Lane has a capacity of 5,013 (765 seated) and League 2 requires 2,000 seated. My guess is that if I'm able to get them promoted, they would undergo a seating expansion.

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15 minutes ago, cerud said:

Hey Niall76. I don't see anything on the club's page in the game that would restrict them. I noticed that Gander Green Lane has a capacity of 5,013 (765 seated) and League 2 requires 2,000 seated. My guess is that if I'm able to get them promoted, they would undergo a seating expansion.

It was great to see a packed Gander Green Lane, complete with very temporary looking stand, on live the other night TV. Sutton had to concrete over a sunken bath to give Arsenal more space in their changing rooms. Whatever happens, I hope the ground keeps its name. Along with Lewes' Dripping Pan, Lancaster City's Giant Axe and Droylsden's Butcher's Arms it's one of the great ground names.

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Hi Franky,

I got Vardy but so far not managed to get many games played. I'm specifically using the 2 DLF version because it's been so effective and every time I switch to either the current version or Destroyer I seem much less stable at the back and less convincing going forwards.

The same players are bossing it with the original formation. Any ideas why? My expectation would be that the newer versions would be more effective given that the players fit the original system well and Vardy should be amazing at CF. Can it be because of lack of time using the newer formations? They are equally familiar according to my ass man.

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Looks like a great tactic would like to give it a try but only got the iPad touch version. Please franky or somebody else kindly screen shot the player instructions and team instructions. 

 

Would be much appreciated 

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Just finished season 2 with Man United and won the lot, losing just one game all season. Won't bore you with the details here, original post has been updated with the info.

On 25/02/2017 at 11:48, Baron Greenback said:

Hi Franky,

I got Vardy but so far not managed to get many games played. I'm specifically using the 2 DLF version because it's been so effective and every time I switch to either the current version or Destroyer I seem much less stable at the back and less convincing going forwards.

The same players are bossing it with the original formation. Any ideas why? My expectation would be that the newer versions would be more effective given that the players fit the original system well and Vardy should be amazing at CF. Can it be because of lack of time using the newer formations? They are equally familiar according to my ass man.

To really make the CF/DLF combo work, you need a highly creative DLF with high passing and vision. Obviously Vardy is perfect for the CF role but I imagine you might be lacking in the other position, in which case two DLFs will work better as there are no special requirements when using that system. I don't think lack of time using newer formation will make any difference.

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iv been finding i concede alot of goals as a mid table team, granted i score loads but generally seems to go down a Ill score more than you route with my game

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Come on guys is it so difficult and time consuming for someone to post player and team instructions ? iOS users cannot use any tactics posted on this forum unless these are also posted. 

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Yo

I've been using Hustle With my Everton save.

As you can see in the screenshot Since the Panduril euro cup game it started well, We was quiet fluid with the tactic as I had been using triumphate before. But once we lost form we seemed to lose control over the games, and struggled who ever we played.

In the second Screenshot you can see the lineup i used most times last season, Im training Florek as a DLF who has very good passing & Vision Stat, And genral overall stats higher then Avarage for most attributes(screenshot to follow).

As you can see I've improved my Squad for the next season with a top GK and a couple of BBM's with your suggested PPM's, Maybe this will make the tactic work better for me?.

We was predicted 7th place, and thats just what we got, We looked strong in the Euro cup until we was humiliated by Liverpool.

I always been ok with handling team talks, and keeping moral high with Team meetings, Plus praising performances.

The only thing I left to my backroom was the team training, which i will do myself and have a Balanced general training and train Def Positioning for match prep starting in the coming season.

My main problem with the tactic is the SS position, Im struggling to find a decent match, Cambell put in a few nice performances there, Then got Injured, So i tried Kuki who dose ok, but i really want to put him in the CF position in the future. I managed to get Maximilliano back off loan this season and hes gained  WP. Im sure he was natural at AMC when he went out, but has come back as Competent AMC, So will now have to retrain him as a SS if i wanted too and I just noticed his Passing stat isnt the best, Would this be a problem?

 The last screenshot is of the team i want to blend into the tactic for the next few seasons, Any additions, Should i sell my old wingers off? any Idea's why i seem to be struggling to achieve above average with this team.

 

 

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Hakim Ziyech has did very well for me, got him for 15 mill. I would either retrain the wingers or get rid of them, its what I always do, then use that money to get guys who fit the tactic. another guy who I didn't think would do well at all in this tactic is juanpi from Malaga. he was my shadow striker last season , had 6 goals and 11 assists.  average rating of 7.20  I have found that the strikers are going to get the bulk of your goals at least for me. I had no world class players at all, never do at the start because I don't usually use good teams

 

also, does your shadow striker have the pi's ? the get into opposition area is huge for him

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Hakim Ziyech  Is at Barcelona now worth 39 million now :p kind of untouchable I would say! 

 

Well Everytime I try to get that one added, my coaches prefer another, Dam annoying, Im trying to train up Maximilliano now, Might work might not.

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try it anyways, cant you tell him no, work on the one you want, they say that half the time. I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt the tactic is like night and day different with the PI,s. ive tested it on a large number of teams, at least 10 and all except ath. madrid were very average teams. let me look at some of my old saves with the tactic, what year you in?

 

 

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On Sun Feb 26 2017 at 14:30, Franky. said:

Just finished season 2 with Man United and won the lot, losing just one game all season. Won't bore you with the details here, original post has been updated with the info.

To really make the CF/DLF combo work, you need a highly creative DLF with high passing and vision. Obviously Vardy is perfect for the CF role but I imagine you might be lacking in the other position, in which case two DLFs will work better as there are no special requirements when using that system. I don't think lack of time using newer formation will make any difference.

As long as I can keep him for I've been using Giuseppe Rossi in the DLF role (passing 14, vision 15), how does he rate? What stats should I be looking for here? I've read somewhere that you posted a combined total of 28, does that apply here?

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On 26/02/2017 at 18:51, minno said:

iv been finding i concede alot of goals as a mid table team, granted i score loads but generally seems to go down a Ill score more than you route with my game

I've got version 2 of the tactic almost ready for upload. Will be more suitable for smaller teams than current version...... defensively a bit tighter. It's also suitable for elite teams, in fact is universally suitable for all teams at all levels. All player roles/requirements are the same so a simple matter of switching to the new one. Will look to upload it after some more testing, hopefully before the weekend.

 

34 minutes ago, Baron Greenback said:

As long as I can keep him for I've been using Giuseppe Rossi in the DLF role (passing 14, vision 15), how does he rate? What stats should I be looking for here? I've read somewhere that you posted a combined total of 28, does that apply here?

Yes, Rossi is perfectly suitable for that role with those attributes as he is over the 28 combined total recommended threshold. Train him up as a DLF and set his training focus to 'passing'.

Ross, thanks for your input as always. It's very helpful and much appreciated :)

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On ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 16:06, VicGAx said:

Come on guys is it so difficult and time consuming for someone to post player and team instructions ? iOS users cannot use any tactics posted on this forum unless these are also posted. 

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10 hours ago, Ross Ingersoll said:

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Thank you Ross! I appreciate your taking your time to post this. Cheers mate! 

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Will version 2 help? my Blackburn team nearly got relegated with this. After 9th, 11th finishes previously I had high hopes for this one. Got another tactic, but struggle for goals.

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Well I cant get this tactic to score, 

Same happen while playing Norwich and Brighton games , We dominate all areas and even away to Chelsea (who are by far a batter team) We still cant score. Is like a magnet is sucking the ball away from goal! 

 

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Tactic worked great for me in my first season with Spurs, Went the whole season unbeaten (with exception of Man City knocking me out of CL on pens and Man U knocking me out of FA Cup on pens).  Won the League Cup and PL by 20 points drawing 6 and loosing 0 scoring 97 goals!

I tried it with Rochdale in League 1 and had differing results, main problem seemed to be putting the ball in the back of the net which was clearly an issue with the players and not the tactic. 

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Playing with Wrexham and in 4th season. 

Leading Championsip an in knockout games in Euroleague an semifinale in FAcup. 

Getting loads of chances and dominates in front of goalarea. 

But many times it feels like the box is overpopulated and we're usually shooting in the backs of the defenders and just getting corners (where we usualy don't score). 

Any way to unpopulate the field in front of goal?

still haven't found a good Creative attacker and a CF is absolutely nonexistent. 

Hopefully good attackers is easier to find once in the Premier League. 

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EDIT 12/3/17: I've updated the tactic for patch 17.3. I know that 'officially' there are no match engine changes from 17.2 but my own personal observations and anecdotal evidence tells me that the update has thrown a spanner in the works with regards to how effective tactics are post update. For this reason, I've left the 17.2 version of the tactic available for download for those who feel absolutely nothing has changed but have also now uploaded what I feel is more suitable for the 'non existent changes :D' of patch 17.3. The write up below will be untouched as all player requirements still apply, except for the wing backs. For them, the following changes apply as they now operate as full backs in the updated 17.3 version..............

Full Backs – These guys will get forward to provide the wide option and also to stretch the defence that helps create space for the attackers through the middle. Decent crossing ability is a must. High stamina and work rate will also increase their effectiveness.

PPM to set (in order of importance)......... 1) gets forward whenever possible......... 2) hugs line.

Training focus - crossing.

Updated tactic is available to download from original post and also this one to help increase the lifespan of your mouse button :D

All testing for the update was done without using any OPPOSITION INSTRUCTIONS, although that was just for sake of convenience so feel free to use any OIs that you think are beneficial.

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Frightening dominance with Cheltenham Town, first season. Did mix it up with a more defensive version of the same tactic at points through the season but for the most part 17.2 version was tearing teams apart. 17.2 worked great for me even post-patch.

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started a LLm save with this just to see how well or bad it would be. I am Merthyr Town who was just promoted to Vanarama national league south, lowest one in game. my team was picked to finish 21st, 2nd to last. my players are crap, I have no money and I can barely field a complete team. its still early but this is what I have done so far. so far so good, I will also show you my leading scorer, attributes wise he isn't that good but is dominating the league .

 

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