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On 5/22/2017 at 08:04, Powermonger said:

Finally got a chance to do myself.

Benchmark A (Max/Max): 27min 14 secs

Not sure that is a setting I would want to play at with all nations and leagues selected. :p

Half the time of mine though, shows that it deals much better with a higher detail level.

Answers the age old question of "if money was no object what setup could run all leagues on full detail?" that answer being none.  Unless you have the patience of a saint.

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8 hours ago, bennytee said:

Half the time of mine though, shows that it deals much better with a higher detail level.

Answers the age old question of "if money was no object what setup could run all leagues on full detail?" that answer being none.  Unless you have the patience of a saint.

It might be quicker but it is no less painful :D Also considering this is Year 0 so not much match/stat data in the save yet, and not even the transfer window was processed. So it will be about 55min processing for my PC to do the transfer window as a rough guesstimate.

For FM18, I am thinking to add some files to do benchmarks with that are 5 seasons into a save, that way people can get an idea of how a computer will perform on a new save compared to one several years in.

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On 7/6/2017 at 12:23, ilkork said:

Crappy pc :(.
And don't even ask me to do the benchmark test :lol:.

So, I did. Don't know why...
 

Type: Desktop
CPU: Intel Core i3-540 (2 cores, 4 threads, 4MB cache, Q1 10)
Frequency: 3066 MHz (no turbo boost technology)
RAM: 4GB DDR3 1333 MHz
OS: Windows 7 64-bit
Storage: HDD

Test A: 9 min 1 sec
Test B: 17 min 35 sec

And that gives me last place in the "PC Type" list.
Proud :lol:.

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My result:

CPU: Intel i5-3470T

CPU Frequency: 2.9GHz

RAM: 4GB Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 1333MHz

OS: Win 10 Pro

Storage: 320GB HDD

FM17 Benchmark A

Time: 7min 14sec

FM17 Benchmark B

Time: N/A

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On ‎06‎/‎04‎/‎2017 at 10:23, Powermonger said:

Thanks @m@rk and @Harper, I'll add this shortly to the table with some other info.

As per @bennytee suggestion, thought we might as well update this years results with PC/laptop details.

Just a shout out to the following people who did testing before:

@fabioke, @roykela, @eple, @Baldyloxxx, @RubenL, @Nacaw, @bananahk, @forzamr_b, @Dic, @lahara, @Urg, @jwchriste, @will221996, @Akim, @scott-h22, @Millsy2, @ukmets, @jckc221013jamie, @Oussebon, @myHorses2You
 

If you could please let me know if the computer you tested on was a custom built desktop PC, store bought PC (include make/model) or laptop (make/model), I'll add these details to the existing chart.

I have a fair idea who have desktop PCs and those with laptop builds but to maintain consistency I'd prefer not to make assumptions :D

Cheers guys.

It's a custom build, made by "PC Specialist" which I've upgraded over time myself.

 

On ‎01‎/‎04‎/‎2017 at 12:45, myHorses2You said:

My results:

CPU: AMD FX-8350 

CPU Frequency: 4.0GHz

RAM: 16 GB Dual-Channel DDR4 @ 3200MHz

OS: Win 10 Home 64-bit

Storage: SSD Samsung EVO 850 - 250GB

FM17 Benchmark A

Time: 5 min 34 sec

FM17 Benchmark B

Time: 9 min 25 sec

You can't run an FX series CPU with DDR4.  I wonder if that was an April Fool.

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7 hours ago, Oussebon said:

You can't run an FX series CPU with DDR4.  I wonder if that was an April Fool.

Yeah, that's right!
I would like to see @myHorses2You in last place so I'm not last, with a "=cheater" next to his nickname please :lol:.

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So here's mine for prosperity as I'm looking at a whole new build in the next 2 months. 

Computer Type: Custom PC

CPU: Intel Core i5 4690k

CPU Frequency: 4600 MHz

RAM: 8GB DDR3 1600 MHz CL9

OS: Win 10 64-bit

Storage: SSD

Test A

Time: 3 min 29 sec

Test B

Time: 7 mins 6 sec

 

 

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On 18/6/2017 at 04:02, ilkork said:

Yeah, that's right!
I would like to see @myHorses2You in last place so I'm not last, with a "=cheater" next to his nickname please :lol:.

In case someone missed the point.
I was joking, I don't care about stuff like that...

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Thanks @T1JMO and @lfcvess60, your tests have been added now. Thanks @Oussebon to for spotting the technical error in one of the tests. I updated the memory details to default DDR3 support for that CPU.

For FM18 when it comes out, I've been thinking of adding the following tests and information:

  • 4 game tests (all nations and leagues loaded)
    • Test A - standard 1 week processing at start of Season 1
    • Test B - standard 1 week processing of transfer deadline week at start of Season 1
    • Test C - standard 1 week processing at start of Season 5
    • Test D - standard 1 week processing of transfer deadline week at start of Season 5
  • Add new game PC performance star ratings for an average size game setup (Eg. All leagues from Top 10 nations)

Anything else people think should be added or tweaked? I'd like the information to be a better reference for players to use for setting up games or researching computer upgrades with FM in mind.

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2 hours ago, Powermonger said:

Anything else people think should be added or tweaked? I'd like the information to be a better reference for players to use for setting up games or researching computer upgrades with FM in mind.

Great stuff :thup:.

I've been considering an upgrade to Ryzen, but with the posted results I'm now leaning more toward an i5 7600k.  I ran the tests with my current set up (below for reference) and the 7600k seems to give more bang for the buck.

Computer type:  Custom desktop

CPU: Intel i5 3570k

CPU Frequency: 3400 MHz

RAM: 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 MHz CL9

OS: Win 7 64-bit

Storage: SSD

Test A

Time: 6 min 03 sec

Test B

Time: 10 min 34 sec

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Further to my test above with the 3570k, I've now taken delivery of a Ryzen 5 1600, so thought I'd post some feedback on this new chip.

TL;DR - 

Test A:  4 min 34 sec

Test B: 8 min 26 sec

So an improvement.  PC specs:

Computer type:  Custom desktop

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600

CPU Frequency: a small overclock to 3600 MHz (3200 is base).  It should be fine beyond that, but I'm not pushing hard plus BIOS is constantly being updated to improve performance and the RAM is causing some compatibility issues.

RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 2666 MHz CL16.  It's actually running at 2166 MHz due to compatibility issues (BIOS updates being worked on).  I'm changing this RAM to 16GB 3000 MHz and will test when it arrives.

OS: Win 10 64-bit

Storage: SSD

Interestingly all 6 cores the Ryzen CPU comes with were rarely put to use.  Typically just one core was working at a time, with all 6 spinning up very infrequently, and then only for a few seconds before reverting back to a single core.

CPU voltages were all fine, maxing out at 1.24v.  Temperature peaked at 56C, but only for the few seconds when all 6 cores were in use.  Typical temps were around 45C, with CPU fan speed c.850 RPM and practically inaudible (using the stock Wraith Spire cooler).

If I was building the PC only for FM I'd probably still look at Intel's offerings due to single core speed, but the PC is for much more than just FM (and gaming) and I'm pleased with the overall improvements for FM seen here :thup:.  The new RAM when it arrives should make a small a difference and there's certainly more scope for a higher overclock if I really feel the need (which I don't).

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Computer Type: Custom desktop

CPU: Intel i7 5960X

CPU Frequency: 4600 MHz OC

RAM: 16GB DDR4 2400 MHz CL14

OS: Win 10 64-bit

Storage: SSD

Test A

Time: 3 min 07 sec

Test B

Time: 6 min 08 sec

 

I like to play the game with ~30 nations and ~60 leagues in full detail.

16 threads helps me not falling asleep between matches :thup:

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My result:

CPU: AMD Athlon X4 950

CPU Frequency: 3.5GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.8GHz

RAM: 8GB Single-Channel DDR4 @ 2400MHz

OS: Win 10 Home

Storage: 1000GB HDD

FM17 Benchmark A

Time: 9min 49sec

FM17 Benchmark B

Time: 17min 33sec

 

The AMD Athlon X4 950 (Socket AM4) is based on the Bristol Bridge Architecture. I bought this CPU because it is quite cheap (I live in Hong Kong and bought the CPU online from China (around GBP 43) , as X4 950 is not available in Hong Kong) . The B350 mobo and DDR4 memory allows me to upgrade to Ryzen in the future. AMD Athlon X4 950 (identical to a A10 - 9700 without GPU) performance on FM 2017 is quite bad comparing to G4560 / G4600 (similar passmark score).

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Hi, from the result table is clear that fm is not very good at using multiple cores/threads when playing the game without full detail. Since I play usually with major leagues on full detail ( because i want to have stats as accurate as possible) I would like to ask you guys if it would be possible for you to make a new test with let's say 10 leagues on full detail. I would like to see some results from Ryzen cpu's so that i can decide to buy it instead of overpriced intel cpu's.

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On 6/23/2017 at 17:46, Powermonger said:

Thanks @T1JMO and @lfcvess60, your tests have been added now. Thanks @Oussebon to for spotting the technical error in one of the tests. I updated the memory details to default DDR3 support for that CPU.

For FM18 when it comes out, I've been thinking of adding the following tests and information:

  • 4 game tests (all nations and leagues loaded)
    • Test A - standard 1 week processing at start of Season 1
    • Test B - standard 1 week processing of transfer deadline week at start of Season 1
    • Test C - standard 1 week processing at start of Season 5
    • Test D - standard 1 week processing of transfer deadline week at start of Season 5
  • Add new game PC performance star ratings for an average size game setup (Eg. All leagues from Top 10 nations)

Anything else people think should be added or tweaked? I'd like the information to be a better reference for players to use for setting up games or researching computer upgrades with FM in mind.

haha it might be late, should try a test plan on Demo version first.

 

BTW, my Xeon still in good performance and Intel seems much better than the new Ryzen... any reason behind?

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On 7/26/2017 at 16:43, bananahk said:

haha it might be late, should try a test plan on Demo version first.

I'll be doing some trial tests when the demo comes out, I am still thinking up some better scenarios to test.

I think @yezzko makes a good point, adding a save for testing with all top 5 leagues on full detail with 20 leagues loaded (for example). I am also thinking that dropping the 'transfer window' tests and replace it with a different scenario as on average (for most builds) processing a transfer window week is approximately 50% slower than a normal week. So a rule of thumb can be used there, that is if in the next FM processing follows the same pattern on a trial test.

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Just about to update my CPU (with an I7) so here's the stats with my current one

Computer Type: Desktop (custom built)

CPU: Intel Core i5 6400

CPU Frequency: 2800 MHz

RAM: 16GB DDR4 2133 MHz CL14

OS: Win 10 64-bit

Storage: SSD

Test A

Time: 4 min 18 sec

Test B

Time: 8 min 46sec

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Now updated

Computer Type: Desktop (custom built)

CPU: Intel Core i7 6700

CPU Frequency: 2800 MHz

RAM: 16GB DDR4 2133 MHz CL14

OS: Win 10 64-bit

Storage: SSD

Test A

Time: 3 min 25 sec

Test B

Time: 6 min 51sec

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Hi there.

Did one using my laptop: MSI GT73VR 6RE

CPU: Intel Core i7 6820HK

Frequency: 2.7GHz

RAM: 16GB DDR4-2400 Dual channel 

Windows 10 64bit on SSD.

Benchmark A: 3m53s
Benchmark B: 7m47s

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15 minutes ago, pholms said:

Hi there.

Did one using my laptop: MSI GT73VR 6RE

CPU: Intel Core i7 6820HK

Frequency: 2.7GHz

RAM: 16GB DDR4-2400 Dual channel 

Windows 10 64bit on SSD.

Benchmark A: 3m53s
Benchmark B: 7m47s

Redid the benchmark changing settings to Turbo - factory overclock.

CPU clock changed to 4.0GHz.

Benchmark A: 3m8s
Benshmark B: 6m17s.  I guess the clock has a major impact!!

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On 7/6/2017 at 21:06, herne79 said:

Further to my test above with the 3570k, I've now taken delivery of a Ryzen 5 1600, so thought I'd post some feedback on this new chip.

TL;DR - 

Test A:  4 min 34 sec

Test B: 8 min 26 sec

So an improvement.  PC specs:

Computer type:  Custom desktop

CPU: Ryzen 5 1600

CPU Frequency: a small overclock to 3600 MHz (3200 is base).  It should be fine beyond that, but I'm not pushing hard plus BIOS is constantly being updated to improve performance and the RAM is causing some compatibility issues.

RAM: 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 2666 MHz CL16.  It's actually running at 2166 MHz due to compatibility issues (BIOS updates being worked on).  I'm changing this RAM to 16GB 3000 MHz and will test when it arrives.

OS: Win 10 64-bit

Storage: SSD

Interestingly all 6 cores the Ryzen CPU comes with were rarely put to use.  Typically just one core was working at a time, with all 6 spinning up very infrequently, and then only for a few seconds before reverting back to a single core.

CPU voltages were all fine, maxing out at 1.24v.  Temperature peaked at 56C, but only for the few seconds when all 6 cores were in use.  Typical temps were around 45C, with CPU fan speed c.850 RPM and practically inaudible (using the stock Wraith Spire cooler).

If I was building the PC only for FM I'd probably still look at Intel's offerings due to single core speed, but the PC is for much more than just FM (and gaming) and I'm pleased with the overall improvements for FM seen here :thup:.  The new RAM when it arrives should make a small a difference and there's certainly more scope for a higher overclock if I really feel the need (which I don't).

Seems FM just use 1 core.....

whats are their engineer doing.. :(

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On 7-8-2017 at 12:17, bananahk said:

Seems FM just use 1 core.....

whats are their engineer doing.. :(

I want to buy a new Desktop, but the whole singlethreading performance domination is holding me back.

The new I7-7740x at 4,3/4,5GHz seems disappointing to say the least:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/x-series/i7-7740x.html

 

 

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4 minutes ago, fabioke said:

I want to buy a new Desktop, but the whole singlethreading performance domination is holding me back.

The new I7-7740x at 4,3/4,5GHz seems disappointing to say the least:

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/x-series/i7-7740x.html

 

 

Maybe SI have made further optimisations for 64bit/multi-core support in FM18, I'd expect they would keep fine tuning their code as they update parts of it and FM17 was the first year they introduced 64bit support.

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Type: Custom desktop

CPU:  Intel Core i5-4690K (Quad Core Haswell)
CPU Frequency: 3500 MHz
RAM: 8GB DDR 667MHz

OS: Win 7 Pro 64-bit

Storage: SSD Samsung 120GB 840EVO

FM Benchmark A
4 min 58sec

FM Benchmark B
10 min 24sec

Thinking of doing a new custom build ahead of the release of FM18, so posting my Oct 2014 build here for a baseline.

I was disappointed by the results compared to other i5 8GB results in this thread. I was wondering if the relatively low RAM clock speed might be a significant factor?

 

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Well, this is embarrassing. 

New PC finally built and here are the test results

Computer Type: Custom PC

CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X

CPU Frequency: 3700 MHz

RAM: 64GB DDR4 3200 MHz CL9

OS: Win 10 64-bit

Storage: SSD

Test A

Time: 3 mins 40 secs

Test B

Time: 7 mins 10 secs

Yep, FM really does like that single core speed. 

Fingers crossed the FM18 has multi-core optimisation 

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Thanks @Weegie, @Barnet and @lfcvess60, your tests have been added.

@Weegie yeah I think your RAM is not doing you any favours on FM processing, might need to upgraded it to faster RAM as its a good 1min 30sec slower then others running the same CPU.

@lfcvess60 interesting that your new PC is slightly slower than your previous Intel based build. What's going on there?

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On 9/7/2017 at 21:03, Powermonger said:

 

@lfcvess60 interesting that your new PC is slightly slower than your previous Intel based build. What's going on there?

@Powermonger it's the IPC rating for the processor. FM currently loves CPU speed rather than cores. Here's hoping that FM18 loves cores over CPU speed to get it's results.

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My result:

PC TYPE: HP Z600 Workstation

CPU: Dual Intel Xeon X5570's (Quad Core 1333MHz 8MB L2 Cache) (8 cores 16 threads total) FM sees it as 16 total processors

CPU Frequency: 2.93GHz

CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.3GHz

RAM: 24GB Triple-Channel DDR3 @ 2600MHz ECC

OS: Win 10 Pro 64-Bit

Storage: Samsung 850 EVO SSD

FM17 Benchmark A

Time: 4min 59sec

FM17 Benchmark B

Time: 10min 05sec

 

Glad I found this thread. This whole time I thought having the power of dual cpu's was benefiting my FM experience but clearly not. Very disappointing. Back to the drawing board!

Would like to add I also ran the tests using an app called FM Speeder and the results were shocking!

FM17 Benchmark A

Time: 5min 11sec

FM17 Benchmark B

Time: 10min 25sec

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Core count matters when using the higher match processing settings while the default settings used in this test benefit more from a higher single core frequency.

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Computer Type: Custom built PC

CPU: Intel I5 - 2500K

CPU Frequency: 3.3 Ghz

RAM: 4GB DDR3 1333 Mhz

OS: Windows 10 64 bit

Storage: HDD

Test A

Time: 5min 14sec

Test B

Time: N/A

 

Thinking about upgrading or rebuilding for FM18, any recommendations for what I should do? Budget probably around £800.

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4 hours ago, Houndd said:

Computer Type: Custom built PC

CPU: Intel I5 - 2500K

CPU Frequency: 3.3 Ghz

RAM: 4GB DDR3 1333 Mhz

OS: Windows 10 64 bit

Storage: HDD

Test A

Time: 5min 14sec

Test B

Time: N/A

 

Thinking about upgrading or rebuilding for FM18, any recommendations for what I should do? Budget probably around £800.

read this thread and you will get an idea what is needed dude.  Up your ram, try to get faster ram. Get an SSD, M.2 if possible and get the fastest cpu within your budget, 

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21 hours ago, Barside said:

Core count matters when using the higher match processing settings while the default settings used in this test benefit more from a higher single core frequency.

what do you mean by higher match processing settings?

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The default settings have most competitions in any game us the using quick match engine, this is made up of much less complex systems for AI tactics, team selection & result generation, it is much less demanding on the cpu but at the cost of a truly realistic simulation of football. If you change the match detail settings to full the game then uses the 90 minute match engine to generate results & AI managers make more complex decisions in regards to tactics & team selection  but it has a high processing cost & lower end cpu's simply wont cut it.

What this means is that those users who have a cpu with a larger number of cores are able to access & enjoy the more realistic experience with a reduced processing time penalty than a user who has a cpu with fewer cores but higher clock rate.

 

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Type: New Custom desktop

CPU:  Intel Core i7-7700K (Quad Core Kaby Lake)
CPU Frequency: 4200 MHz
RAM: 16GB DDR 3200MHz

OS: Win 10 Home 64-bit

Storage: SSD Samsung 500GB 960EVO M.2

FM Benchmark A
2 min 35sec

FM Benchmark B
5 min 16sec

Upgraded my machnine since last month. Have gone from 4min 58sec on Bench A and 10 min 24sec on Bench B, so new computer is almost exactly twice as quick at FM. That's the kind of speed increase I was looking for.

Fingers crossed for better multi-core support in FM18, FM17 is so heavy on the single core.

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10 hours ago, ChelseaSince86 said:

Still to this day one of the best CPU i ever used for FM, and it was very very fast was the i7 3770k.  Speed machine.

Still running my i7-3770k. I love it. Had it over 5 years now with no issue.

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Computer Type: Laptop

CPU: Intel® Core™i7-4710HQ

CPU Frequency: 2.50GHz, 3.5GHz Turbo

RAM: 32GB KINGSTON HYPER-X IMPACT 1600MHz SODIMM DDR3 (4 x 8GB)

OS: Win 7 64-bit

Storage: Plextor PX-G256M6e 256GB M.2 SSD (upto 770MB/sR | 625MB/sW)

Test A

Time: 5 mins 28 secs

Test B

Time: 10 mins 46 secs

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