Palman Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 Hi, Sorry if this was already asked (haven't been able to find it, by looking at forum-search). When creating a tournament, I'd like to know if dynamic qualification can be achieved. Say I have ten teams, and I want them to enter a later stage of the tournament based on either their own reputation or their league's. So far, I can only manage to create fixed places for teams via nation rules. Maybe there is another way, perhaps in the advanced editor? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 yeah under advanced rules. just sort teams by reputation and thats it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palman Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 I've done this already, but let's say the league with highest reputation should have 5 spots, and the league with the lowest reputation should have just 1. So far, what I have accomplished is only 'seeding' the teams after their reputation within their designated spots in the nation rules. So still I cannot exceed the nation rules. I hope you understand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 yeah now i understand. i created something similar last year. If you need to have different number of teams (from some nation) every year, you need to add hidden stagesso you can sort teams. Explain your system -how many countries/competitions gives teams for your competition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palman Posted November 17, 2016 Author Share Posted November 17, 2016 Could you upload a .dbc file so I can see an example. Just for inspiration? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 17, 2016 Share Posted November 17, 2016 i dont have it anymore. maybe i can find it online but not sure about that. Its not difficult to create- dont worry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom245 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 This is a very interesting matter.. I am interested too. Can you describe how to set the hidden stage or you have found maybe the file? I think this can be inserted in the useful tips thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I dont have it-deleted everything from FM16 but its not problem. My competition is club continental comp with 12 teams from 6 ex-yugoslav coutries (balcan league). First i added teams to "qualified teams" section: -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 0 (set top division - not nation here) -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 2 Stage settings: Stage 0: League stage with 6 teams number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - team seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 0 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), reverse the order of teams in this list - yes, seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 6 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 1: League stage with 6 teams requirements - stage 0 number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - team seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 1 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), reverse the order of teams in this list - yes, seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 4 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 2: League stage with 6 teams requirements - stage 0, stage 1 number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - team seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 2 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), reverse the order of teams in this list - yes, seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 2 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 3: stage with 12 teams - league stage requirements : stage 0,1,2 get teams from stages 0, 1 , 2 set league settings. Test everything and if sorting in first 3 stages is ok then tick "hidden stage" box under league settings in stages 0 ,1 ,2. Hope this is everything and hope you understand this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom245 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 I understand! Brilliant Thanks a lot it can be usefull in some future work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Division reputation is similar to coefficients-not always but in 90% same changes happens on these 2 lists Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom245 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 25 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: Division reputation is similar to coefficients-not always but in 90% same changes happens on these 2 lists Yes, it is because the game use coefficients to change league reputations.. and not only in europe. Use FMRTE (the free version is enough), search for any african nation you want (or asian or oceanian..) between those involved in the continental club cups, double click on it, look at the entry "eurocoefficients" and you may have a surprise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 Im on linux - cant use FMRTE. Can you send screenshot ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom245 Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 uff.. I have problems with the FMRTE for fm17, due to .net framwork. I made a screenshot from fm15, an old save.. however I think the coefficient points are rounded, if I remember well in a past edition I could see until the third decimal number. The Champions League of the various continents give the points togheter with the other main competitions: AFC Cup in Asia, Confederation Cup in Africa, Europa League in Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 19, 2016 Share Posted November 19, 2016 i can see points now. probably related to reputation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palman Posted November 22, 2016 Author Share Posted November 22, 2016 Would still be nice to see something uploaded.,, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 22, 2016 Share Posted November 22, 2016 i will make file when i catch some time. you have explanation above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom245 Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 Krlenjushka, was it the file you made for the Balkan League? I have found it among my old files http://www.mediafire.com/file/viyb9r1lnz7dbch/Balkan_League_by_FM-Balkan_ReSearch_Team.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 23, 2016 Share Posted November 23, 2016 this file was made by my friend @prodo from FM-Balkan. Its Balkan league but without dinamic qualification Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palman Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 " -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 0 (set top division - not nation here) " What excactly do you mean here? Do you mean you select for example, best club in any division in fx Serbia? Just the "not nation here" confuses me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Palman said: " -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 0 (set top division - not nation here) " What excactly do you mean here? Do you mean you select for example, best club in any division in fx Serbia? Just the "not nation here" confuses me. "best teams from division" - max number of teams =1 , serbian superleague , seeding 0 and so on... i used 6 nations for my competition so i used top divisions from that 6 nations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palman Posted November 30, 2016 Author Share Posted November 30, 2016 But let say you want the top division of all 6 nations to have one more team represented. How do you do that, if you set each country? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 - best teams from division - serbian top division, max 1 team, seeding 0 game will pick 1st team in this league - best teams from division - belgian top division, max 1 team, seeding 0 game will pick 1st team in this league - best teams from division - english top division, max 1 team, seeding 0 game will pick 1st team in this league - best teams from division - croatian top division, max 1 team, seeding 0 game will pick 1st team in this league - best teams from division - turkish top division, max 1 team, seeding 0 game will pick 1st team in this league - best teams from division - italian top division, max 1 team, seeding 0 game will pick 1st team in this league - best teams from division - serbian top division, max 1 team, seeding 1 game will pick 2nd team in this league - best teams from division - belgian top division, max 1 team, seeding 1 and so on... - best teams from division - english top division, max 1 team, seeding 1 - best teams from division - croatian top division, max 1 team, seeding 1 - best teams from division - turkish top division, max 1 team, seeding 1 - best teams from division - italian top division, max 1 team, seeding 1 and so on.... hope you understand now. after that you set what teams you want in each hidden stage with seeding option Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palman Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 I totally get this. But for example. Let say you want two teams from the Belgian league but only one from the Serbian (because the Belgian league is better), what if the Serbian league someday become better than the Belgian one and as such is entitled to two teams instead of one. Will the editor know this?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 thats why you set multiple hidden stages. first hidden stage will use only teams with seeding 0 (champions) second hidden stage will use only teams with seeding 1 (runner-up) third hidden stage will use only teams with seeding 2 (3rd team) in every stage you sort teams by division reputation. in stage 0 you qualify all 6 teams to stage 3 (your real stage) in stage 1 you qualify 4 teams to stage 3 (your real stage) in stage 2 you qualify 2 teams to stage 3 (your real stage) if you set like this you will get: nation 1 - 3 teams nation 2 - 3 teams nation 3 - 2 teams nation 4 - 2 teams nation 5 - 1 team nation 6 - 1 team next year some different nations can have more teams - it depends on league reputation -you set this in hidden stages to sort teams and qualify them to stage 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palman Posted December 1, 2016 Author Share Posted December 1, 2016 Understood, I'll play around with it. I might upload a file at some point. Hopefully you can help me out if it fails Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 of course-you can set whatever you want. its not hard to set at all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pechan Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 On 2016-11-19 at 15:58, krlenjushka said: I dont have it-deleted everything from FM16 but its not problem. My competition is club continental comp with 12 teams from 6 ex-yugoslav coutries (balcan league). First i added teams to "qualified teams" section: -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 0 (set top division - not nation here) -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 2 Stage settings: Stage 0: League stage with 6 teams number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 0 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 6 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 1: League stage with 6 teams requirements - stage 0 number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 1 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 4 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 2: League stage with 6 teams requirements - stage 0, stage 1 number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 2 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 2 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 3: stage with 12 teams - league stage requirements : stage 0,1,2 get teams from stages 0, 1 , 2 set league settings. Test everything and if sorting in first 3 stages is ok then tick "hidden stage" box under league settings in stages 0 ,1 ,2. Hope this is everything and hope you understand this This is genius! I'll try it in the future for South American Copa Libertadores. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palman Posted December 21, 2016 Author Share Posted December 21, 2016 I tried it, but for some reason I can't get the hidden stage right. The hidden stage still appears in the game in the form of a league, even though I ticked the box that said 'hidden' stage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 tick "hidden stage" box and confrim box also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palman Posted January 1, 2017 Author Share Posted January 1, 2017 Hi @krlenjushka, Is it possible you can help me. I have followed your instructions in every detail - yet my tournament still doesn't work. Basically I have a tournament like yours - six nations, just in Scandinavia. I am using the defunct 'Royal League' tournament. In theory, based on the reputation, it should look like this: Sweden: 3 teams Norway: 3 teams Denmark: 2 teams Iceland: 2 teams Finland: 1 team Faroe Islands: 1 team In total_ 12 teams, excactly like in your Balkan League. But when the tournament is generated it will put 4 Danish teams, 2 Faroese, 2 Finnish and so on... not the right amount at all. Could you have a look at my file, and tell me where I'm off, according to your instructions? BR, Royal_League_Testing_487F7561-5971-4C19-8284-04CB3910DE82.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 5 hours ago, Palman said: Hi @krlenjushka, Is it possible you can help me. I have followed your instructions in every detail - yet my tournament still doesn't work. Basically I have a tournament like yours - six nations, just in Scandinavia. I am using the defunct 'Royal League' tournament. In theory, based on the reputation, it should look like this: Sweden: 3 teams Norway: 3 teams Denmark: 2 teams Iceland: 2 teams Finland: 1 team Faroe Islands: 1 team In total_ 12 teams, excactly like in your Balkan League. But when the tournament is generated it will put 4 Danish teams, 2 Faroese, 2 Finnish and so on... not the right amount at all. Could you have a look at my file, and tell me where I'm off, according to your instructions? BR, Royal_League_Testing_487F7561-5971-4C19-8284-04CB3910DE82.fmf i will take a look-maybe i forgot something in my explanation On competition section you set "maximum number of qualified teams" = 12. Thats why your stage 2 never starts and teams are not qualified to main stage. Dont add options to your file if youre not sure what you can cause. I forgot to add "reverse the order of teams in this list" to teams section. just hide again stages 0-2 when you see everything in game Royal league_31809DBF-1C49-4B5C-90B8-8ACF705E4A10.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
endiadika6 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Hi @krlenjushka, I'm very interesting in this topic. I'm trying to make a friendly cup in pre-season that involve famous team and my Editor-made team. In this case, my team will be involved in this cup every season but the other one will be random (I mean dynamic qualification). Therefore, there may be differences in the qualifications rules? If yes, can you explain it? thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 26 minutes ago, endiadika6 said: Hi @krlenjushka, I'm very interesting in this topic. I'm trying to make a friendly cup in pre-season that involve famous team and my Editor-made team. In this case, my team will be involved in this cup every season but the other one will be random (I mean dynamic qualification). Therefore, there may be differences in the qualifications rules? If yes, can you explain it? thanks What is your question here? "famous team" is not some valid information Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pechan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 On 2016-11-19 at 15:58, krlenjushka said: I dont have it-deleted everything from FM16 but its not problem. My competition is club continental comp with 12 teams from 6 ex-yugoslav coutries (balcan league). First i added teams to "qualified teams" section: -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 0 (set top division - not nation here) -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 2 Stage settings: Stage 0: League stage with 6 teams number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - team seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 0 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), reverse the order of teams in this list - yes, seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 6 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 1: League stage with 6 teams requirements - stage 0 number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - team seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 1 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), reverse the order of teams in this list - yes, seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 4 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 2: League stage with 6 teams requirements - stage 0, stage 1 number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - team seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 2 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), reverse the order of teams in this list - yes, seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 2 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 3: stage with 12 teams - league stage requirements : stage 0,1,2 get teams from stages 0, 1 , 2 set league settings. Test everything and if sorting in first 3 stages is ok then tick "hidden stage" box under league settings in stages 0 ,1 ,2. Hope this is everything and hope you understand this Hello! So, I followed your example and managed after some tweaks to create a Dynamic Copa Libertadores. But, while the tournament "works" something else stopped working. The league reputation has now become static. It doesnt matter for how long I simulate, they stay the same so its always the same distribution of teams that enter anyway. Do you know any possible cause for this so I could correct it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 2 hours ago, Pechan said: Hello! So, I followed your example and managed after some tweaks to create a Dynamic Copa Libertadores. But, while the tournament "works" something else stopped working. The league reputation has now become static. It doesnt matter for how long I simulate, they stay the same so its always the same distribution of teams that enter anyway. Do you know any possible cause for this so I could correct it? This worked on FM2016 - also problem with league reputation isnt here for first time so i guess its related to something else. I think there is some thread about this somewhere here-think its related to new added leagues but im not sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pechan Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 23 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: This worked on FM2016 - also problem with league reputation isnt here for first time so i guess its related to something else. I think there is some thread about this somewhere here-think its related to new added leagues but im not sure Ok, ill try to sort this out because the tournament in itself is working perfectly, but its of no use when the leagues reputation doesnt move xD. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintree Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Hallelujah! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintree Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 On 2/9/2017 at 03:15, krlenjushka said: This worked on FM2016 - also problem with league reputation isnt here for first time so i guess its related to something else. I think there is some thread about this somewhere here-think its related to new added leagues but im not sure Hi, anyone knows what this "send teams to continental cup seedings" means? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pechan Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 On 2017-02-09 at 12:15, krlenjushka said: This worked on FM2016 - also problem with league reputation isnt here for first time so i guess its related to something else. I think there is some thread about this somewhere here-think its related to new added leagues but im not sure I fixed it But if I make to many changes to the original tournaments it brakes down, everything has to be done perfectly hehehehe. (Im on FM 15 btw) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintree Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 1 hour ago, Pechan said: I fixed it But if I make to many changes to the original tournaments it brakes down, everything has to be done perfectly hehehehe. (Im on FM 15 btw) Fix it how? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pechan Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 53 minutes ago, saintree said: Fix it how? Created new competitions, copied history, then remade the original tournaments to small unsignificant "super cups" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soham Kundu Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 On 11/19/2016 at 20:28, krlenjushka said: I dont have it-deleted everything from FM16 but its not problem. My competition is club continental comp with 12 teams from 6 ex-yugoslav coutries (balcan league). First i added teams to "qualified teams" section: -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 0 (set top division - not nation here) -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 0 -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 1 -best teams from division - nation1, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation2, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation3, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation4, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation5, seeding 2 -best teams from division - nation6, seeding 2 Stage settings: Stage 0: League stage with 6 teams number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - team seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 0 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), reverse the order of teams in this list - yes, seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 6 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 1: League stage with 6 teams requirements - stage 0 number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - team seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 1 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), reverse the order of teams in this list - yes, seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 4 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 2: League stage with 6 teams requirements - stage 0, stage 1 number of rounds 0 Top team are champions - untick create fixtures - untick Leadue sorting rules - team seeding under teams section - get qualified teams for comp, seeding 2 , sort teams by division reaputation (descending), reverse the order of teams in this list - yes, seeding to give teams-incremental seeding starting from value 0 qualification rules - qualify first 2 teams to stage 3 (our main stage) Stage 3: stage with 12 teams - league stage requirements : stage 0,1,2 get teams from stages 0, 1 , 2 set league settings. Test everything and if sorting in first 3 stages is ok then tick "hidden stage" box under league settings in stages 0 ,1 ,2. Hope this is everything and hope you understand this When I play a normal save i.e. not using the editor to incorporate your changes I get a message like this (Pardon me for using a photo from google.) after some seasons that the nation I am in has improved ranking and hence we get more continental places. If I incorporate your changes using the editor, do I get the same screen after a few seasons ? I use FM 17 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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