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You guys should see the injury list we have at my local rugby team. Basically got a world class injured 15 at the moment :lol: 

Really enjoying hearing all the positive feedback about the game though, certainly beats the feedback thread we had for 16...

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2 hours ago, herne79 said:

For those talking about injuries and setting up pre-season Training to focus on Fitness, please be aware of what that actually does.

If you set General Training to Fitness, all you are doing is asking your trainers/players to focus training on your players' Physical attributes.  You will generally only see any improvement in attributes after 3 months of training.  This type of training does not tell your players to "get fit ready for the season".

When setting up training, especially in pre-season when players are unfit, you need to be very wary of player training workload.  Heavier workloads with unfit players can lead to increased injuries.

If you want to get players fit for the coming season, they need to play matches (friendlies).  But if you make unfit players play 90 minutes at the start of pre-season you may also be asking for trouble with injuries.  Try to substitute everyone at half time - even if you have to use some players from your youth team to make up the numbers.  

As players become fitter through pre-season, then (and only then) consider increasing their training workload and/or increasing their match time during friendlies.

Of course it's possible to still pick up injuries regardless of how you set up pre-season, but injuries will become more likely the harder you work your players.

TL;DR if you over work players during pre-season don't be surprised if you pick up several injuries.

Just to add with regard to Fitness training (in FM16 anyway) it will keep your Match Sharpness rating higher and for a longer period. In fact the only way I've ever had a player 100% for both Match Condition and Match Sharpness is by using Fitness training. 

Totally agree you need 3 or more months to get an attribute boost, but if Match Sharpness affects injury likelihood (not sure if it does BTW) then short term Fitness training can help in "getting players fit" as long as people do understand the other variables too. 

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24 minutes ago, Silver Twilight Sparkle said:

Hey guys how is the finishing PPMs in the engine? Do players with "Likes to lob GK" and "likes to round GK" actually try it frequently?

We had in the same week two goals with these in Champions league, Alexis Sanchez scored against Ludogorets by chipping the GK and Messi dribbled Man City GK in one of the goals, but in the game it never happens.

And how is the foot usage, do strikers try to finish with wrong foot too frequently?

Haven't seen anyone try to round the keeper,  as for lobs I once saw the match commentary claim that a striker tried to chip the keeper,  but in 3d it looked more like a weak shot that went wide at knee height. 

I'm pretty disappointed with the finishing to be honest, players still tend to shoot for the near corner of the goal when shooting for the far corner is clearly the better decision,  when running clear on goal they still shoot from the edge of the box, and there are far too many instances where strikers miss clear chances by hitting a weak shot straight at the keeper. 

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51 minutes ago, GriffiN94 said:

I may be wrong but I think what he meant by that is that certain AI managed teams will buy a big name like certain clubs (eg Madrid) do IRL. I'm in my second season and Utd have just spent £82 million on Verratti.

 

They spen 120 milion euros for him in my same.

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31 minutes ago, endtime said:

Haven't seen anyone try to round the keeper,  as for lobs I once saw the match commentary claim that a striker tried to chip the keeper,  but in 3d it looked more like a weak shot that went wide at knee height. 

I'm pretty disappointed with the finishing to be honest, players still tend to shoot for the near corner of the goal when shooting for the far corner is clearly the better decision,  when running clear on goal they still shoot from the edge of the box, and there are far too many instances where strikers miss clear chances by hitting a weak shot straight at the keeper. 

Haven't seen any rounding of the keeper as of yet... but my very first goal was a lob from Nelson Oliveira for my Norwich side.. 

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haven't seen a lob yet either, however, i am seeing a lot of variety in the goals scored, my favourites so far are the headers, the animations are sooo much better this year.  very well done to the team at SI with these!

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I have holidayed the game until 2039 now, and though I should make some stray observations.  No spoilers.

- Most every league is terribly one sided. Juventus has won all but three Serie A,  Real Madrid had 10 league trophies in 11 years,  Zenit won 15 leagues in a row. I could give a lot of examples.
- Strikers score an extremely low percentage of the goals on low detail. Only one striker has managed 30 goals in PL yet, in La Liga none has.  The most goals scored by a Golden Shoe winner is 31.  One year, the best was 20.
- The big clubs spend way more money on star players compared to earlier games. The most spent is 128 million, with 7 players reaching triple digits.
- On a more negative note, clubs also seems to overspend on players who hasn't really shown anything. To take an example. Leverkusen signed a player from Bayern who started 12 matches last season with a rating of 6.73. At the time he was 23 years old and had zero caps for Portugal. The prize was 45 million Euro.
- As in earlier games, England seems to be the only nation capable of keeping hold of players. They have a few players abrouad in their national team. The Spanish team on the other hand has 2 Atletico players, 1 in Real Madrid and 1 at Real Betis, the rest playing abroad.
- Speaking of which. A club like Barcelona has 1 "trained at club" players who are close to the first 11.
- A surprisingly high amount of big clubs play a flat 4-4-2.
- The French league has the two highest reputation teams, and dominate down the line having 16 of the top 32. Germany has 8 and England 5. England is the biggest reputation league, with Germany in second and France in third. Not sure how that can happen.
If there is anything you want me to look at, shout out, but this is what I have so far.

 

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Just to add a datapoint to the injuries discussion, in 20 matches my team had 2 injuries, only 1 of which happened during a match. 

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38 minutes ago, Matshit said:

I have holidayed the game until 2039 now, and though I should make some stray observations.  No spoilers.

- Most every league is terribly one sided. Juventus has won all but three Serie A,  Real Madrid had 10 league trophies in 11 years,  Zenit won 15 leagues in a row. I could give a lot of examples.
- Strikers score an extremely low percentage of the goals on low detail. Only one striker has managed 30 goals in PL yet, in La Liga none has.  The most goals scored by a Golden Shoe winner is 31.  One year, the best was 20.
- The big clubs spend way more money on star players compared to earlier games. The most spent is 128 million, with 7 players reaching triple digits.
- On a more negative note, clubs also seems to overspend on players who hasn't really shown anything. To take an example. Leverkusen signed a player from Bayern who started 12 matches last season with a rating of 6.73. At the time he was 23 years old and had zero caps for Portugal. The prize was 45 million Euro.
- As in earlier games, England seems to be the only nation capable of keeping hold of players. They have a few players abrouad in their national team. The Spanish team on the other hand has 2 Atletico players, 1 in Real Madrid and 1 at Real Betis, the rest playing abroad.
- Speaking of which. A club like Barcelona has 1 "trained at club" players who are close to the first 11.
- A surprisingly high amount of big clubs play a flat 4-4-2.
- The French league has the two highest reputation teams, and dominate down the line having 16 of the top 32. Germany has 8 and England 5. England is the biggest reputation league, with Germany in second and France in third. Not sure how that can happen.
If there is anything you want me to look at, shout out, but this is what I have so far.

 

Your points 3 & 4 re crazy transfer fees seems perfectly realistic. As for the rest, yes there are concerned that need to be addressed there. Which leagues did you load though? - that'll affect the outcomes.

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42 minutes ago, Matshit said:

I have holidayed the game until 2039 now, and though I should make some stray observations.  No spoilers.

- Most every league is terribly one sided. Juventus has won all but three Serie A,  Real Madrid had 10 league trophies in 11 years,  Zenit won 15 leagues in a row. I could give a lot of examples.
- Strikers score an extremely low percentage of the goals on low detail. Only one striker has managed 30 goals in PL yet, in La Liga none has.  The most goals scored by a Golden Shoe winner is 31.  One year, the best was 20.
- The big clubs spend way more money on star players compared to earlier games. The most spent is 128 million, with 7 players reaching triple digits.
- On a more negative note, clubs also seems to overspend on players who hasn't really shown anything. To take an example. Leverkusen signed a player from Bayern who started 12 matches last season with a rating of 6.73. At the time he was 23 years old and had zero caps for Portugal. The prize was 45 million Euro.
- As in earlier games, England seems to be the only nation capable of keeping hold of players. They have a few players abrouad in their national team. The Spanish team on the other hand has 2 Atletico players, 1 in Real Madrid and 1 at Real Betis, the rest playing abroad.
- Speaking of which. A club like Barcelona has 1 "trained at club" players who are close to the first 11.
- A surprisingly high amount of big clubs play a flat 4-4-2.
- The French league has the two highest reputation teams, and dominate down the line having 16 of the top 32. Germany has 8 and England 5. England is the biggest reputation league, with Germany in second and France in third. Not sure how that can happen.
If there is anything you want me to look at, shout out, but this is what I have so far.

 

Hey Matshit,

Interesting stuff. A note on this one however, your results will be affected by which leagues you had as playable and which leagues within that you had set to run on full detail. Worth keeping that in mind with any conclusions drawn from your data :)

Cheers,
Seb.

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Ran a 5 year watcher game this weekend to see how things unfolded.

-some huge transfers, which seems realistic. But not tons. Not seeing record-smashers every window or anything.

-still seeing AI clubs spend fairly big on a younger player, not really use them, and move them on a year or two later. Not to say its unrealistic, as it does happen, but just not the greatest squad building.

-was a bit surprised by the squad stability of some of the bigger clubs. On past versions, it sometimes felt like the AI was buying simply to buy, rather than any sort of intentional squad building. Looking thru the squads of some of the bigger English clubs, they still have a lot of the same core players with a few bigger additions.

-Man United won like 3 titles in the 5 years. Gonna say that Mourinho looks a bit overpowered to actual results lol

-Lokomotiv Moscow were relegated in Russia, which was a bit of a surprise - especially as they are one of the main clubs I tend to manage. Just goes to show that element of randomness is still in there.

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31 minutes ago, phnompenhandy said:

Your points 3 & 4 re crazy transfer fees seems perfectly realistic. As for the rest, yes there are concerned that need to be addressed there. Which leagues did you load though? - that'll affect the outcomes.

Point three I agree on, point four not so much. There are to many examples of world class transfers for players who so far hasn't proven anything. For leagues I have Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, China, Denmark, England, France, Germany, Greece, Holland, Italy, Mexico, Norway, Portugal, Russia, Scotland, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, US and Ukraine. All fully loaded. With lower leagues in the biggest and local countries.

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1 hour ago, Matshit said:

I have holidayed the game until 2039 now, and though I should make some stray observations.  No spoilers.

- Most every league is terribly one sided. Juventus has won all but three Serie A,  Real Madrid had 10 league trophies in 11 years,  Zenit won 15 leagues in a row. I could give a lot of examples.
- Strikers score an extremely low percentage of the goals on low detail. Only one striker has managed 30 goals in PL yet, in La Liga none has.  The most goals scored by a Golden Shoe winner is 31.  One year, the best was 20.
- The big clubs spend way more money on star players compared to earlier games. The most spent is 128 million, with 7 players reaching triple digits.
- On a more negative note, clubs also seems to overspend on players who hasn't really shown anything. To take an example. Leverkusen signed a player from Bayern who started 12 matches last season with a rating of 6.73. At the time he was 23 years old and had zero caps for Portugal. The prize was 45 million Euro.
- As in earlier games, England seems to be the only nation capable of keeping hold of players. They have a few players abrouad in their national team. The Spanish team on the other hand has 2 Atletico players, 1 in Real Madrid and 1 at Real Betis, the rest playing abroad.
- Speaking of which. A club like Barcelona has 1 "trained at club" players who are close to the first 11.
- A surprisingly high amount of big clubs play a flat 4-4-2.
- The French league has the two highest reputation teams, and dominate down the line having 16 of the top 32. Germany has 8 and England 5. England is the biggest reputation league, with Germany in second and France in third. Not sure how that can happen.
If there is anything you want me to look at, shout out, but this is what I have so far.

 

Did you have it running in full detail?

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so what does this update 17.0.2 contain?

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Since 17.0.2 i now have an option on the left hand side "Report Bug",  but i got an error code* when accidentally selecting it.  

*Webpage gave an error.

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Glad to hear mostly positive stuff about the game. I've been waiting since 16 was such a horror show. Keep the feedback coming guys, much appreciated.

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Has anyone else noticed that their squad personality is wrong in FM17?

Mine is showing as F.Pro and if I take the maximum possible Pro levels for every player in my squad and then average it out over the whole squad, then it still falls short of level of professionalism required for a F.Pro level. 

F.Pro has a minimum Pro level of 15 and if I take the maximum for all my players and create an average, then I only reach 14.85.

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1 hour ago, Matshit said:

I have holidayed the game until 2039 now, and though I should make some stray observations.  No spoilers.

- Most every league is terribly one sided. Juventus has won all but three Serie A,  Real Madrid had 10 league trophies in 11 years,  Zenit won 15 leagues in a row. I could give a lot of examples.
- Strikers score an extremely low percentage of the goals on low detail. Only one striker has managed 30 goals in PL yet, in La Liga none has.  The most goals scored by a Golden Shoe winner is 31.  One year, the best was 20.
- The big clubs spend way more money on star players compared to earlier games. The most spent is 128 million, with 7 players reaching triple digits.
- On a more negative note, clubs also seems to overspend on players who hasn't really shown anything. To take an example. Leverkusen signed a player from Bayern who started 12 matches last season with a rating of 6.73. At the time he was 23 years old and had zero caps for Portugal. The prize was 45 million Euro.
- As in earlier games, England seems to be the only nation capable of keeping hold of players. They have a few players abrouad in their national team. The Spanish team on the other hand has 2 Atletico players, 1 in Real Madrid and 1 at Real Betis, the rest playing abroad.
- Speaking of which. A club like Barcelona has 1 "trained at club" players who are close to the first 11.
- A surprisingly high amount of big clubs play a flat 4-4-2.
- The French league has the two highest reputation teams, and dominate down the line having 16 of the top 32. Germany has 8 and England 5. England is the biggest reputation league, with Germany in second and France in third. Not sure how that can happen.
If there is anything you want me to look at, shout out, but this is what I have so far.

 

Hi Matshit!

 

I'm interested in regens. I had two problems in FM 2016: 

1. There weren't enough good centre back regens, and the few that were decent enough, were almost exclusively limited CBs (so no ball playing CBs with higher than average technical attributes)

2. After circa 15 seasons, Inside forwards became extinct in my game, there were only wingers with preferred foot similar as the side they were playing on.

 

Are these two things became more balanced?

 

Thanks in advance :)

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2 hours ago, Welshace said:

Haven't seen any rounding of the keeper as of yet... but my very first goal was a lob from Nelson Oliveira for my Norwich side.. 

Nelson Oliveira actually scored a goal? Unrealistic. :D

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I am noticing that a few individuals are simming test games into the future.

Does anybody happen to have any games with the top league in every nation loaded and attribute masking on that they would be happy to upload?

Cheers in advance.

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so i noticed the report a bug hyperlink in the game but when you click it it brings you to the below blank page

We could not locate the item you are trying to view

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59 minutes ago, noikeee said:

Nelson Oliveira actually scored a goal? Unrealistic. :D

He got injured :(

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5 minutes ago, moyesout said:

so i noticed the report a bug hyperlink in the game but when you click it it brings you to the below blank page

We could not locate the item you are trying to view

I suspect this is because it is trying to link to the not-yet open FM17 bugs forum as opposed to the FM17 pre-release Beta forum. Worth posting about this here - https://community.sigames.com/forum/513-crashes-and-technical-issues-on-pc/ - or here - https://community.sigames.com/forum/516-user-interface-issues/

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I have a bug in press conferences before matches.

I always get asked the question: "Tomorrow's match sees you square off against Chris Houghton for the first time..."

Had it in at least my last 3 pre-match conferences. I am not facing Chris Houghton every time as he is not the manager of every team I face.

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Just now, SMV90 said:

I have a bug in press conferences before matches.

I always get asked the question: "Tomorrow's match sees you square off against Chris Houghton for the first time..."

Had it in at least my last 3 pre-match conferences. I am not facing Chris Houghton every time as he is not the manager of every team I face.

Hey SMV90,

If you have a bug could you please post it in the bugs forum, sounds like this one belongs here - https://community.sigames.com/forum/518-other-gameplay-issues/

Thank you,
Seb.

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1 hour ago, HUNT3R said:

Did you have it running in full detail?

Matches was not in full detail, as mentioned. But I would hope they still want the low detail matches as realistic as possible.

 

1 hour ago, duwy said:

 

1. There weren't enough good centre back regens, and the few that were decent enough, were almost exclusively limited CBs (so no ball playing CBs with higher than average technical attributes)

 

Best (highest value) centre backs in the game is usually at around 10 for passing. One has 13, another 14. One worth more than 5 million has 15. For technique there are one with 16 and one with 17 in the highest value list with 8 as the lowest. In terms of defensive qualities, they are all pretty great.

 

1 hour ago, duwy said:

 

2. After circa 15 seasons, Inside forwards became extinct in my game, there were only wingers with preferred foot similar as the side they were playing on.

 

 

There is three natural right wingers who are natural left footed worth over 10 million Euro.  Five who has either foot. There are 8 left wingers who are natural right footed and four who can use either foot.

For accomplished right wingers there are 16 who are left footed and 11 who are either. 47 accomplished left wingers are right footed and 14 either.

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My game doesn't appear to have updated to 17.0.2, Steam usually auto updates it, I've no idea how to do it manually. 

 

EDIT - Ah, I closed the game, and the update has now started for both game modes. Panic over haha

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Just now, Dagenham_Dave said:

My game doesn't appear to have updated to 17.0.2, Steam usually auto updates it, I've no idea how to do it manually. 

Just restart steam.

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Asking again - Does anyone know if there is any way to share graphics folders between FMT and Full Fat this year with them being separate apps ?

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1 minute ago, treble_yell_:-) said:

Asking again - Does anyone know if there is any way to share graphics folders between FMT and Full Fat this year with them being separate apps ?

Just move the folder, as you usually don't play both games at the same time.

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Just now, mbpb2013 said:

Any one can help me?

How I creating a b team in football manager 2016?

You should ask in the editor forum, as this is a thread for FM 2017.

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7 minutes ago, KUBI said:

Just move the folder, as you usually don't play both games at the same time.

Huh , usually takes forever to swap , but that went quickly.

Edited by treble_yell_:-)

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24 minutes ago, Matshit said:

Matches was not in full detail, as mentioned. But I would hope they still want the low detail matches as realistic as possible.

 

Best (highest value) centre backs in the game is usually at around 10 for passing. One has 13, another 14. One worth more than 5 million has 15. For technique there are one with 16 and one with 17 in the highest value list with 8 as the lowest. In terms of defensive qualities, they are all pretty great.

 

There is three natural right wingers who are natural left footed worth over 10 million Euro.  Five who has either foot. There are 8 left wingers who are natural right footed and four who can use either foot.

For accomplished right wingers there are 16 who are left footed and 11 who are either. 47 accomplished left wingers are right footed and 14 either.

Thank you, those numbers look good, especially compared to what I experienced in FM 2016.

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10 minutes ago, treble_yell_:-) said:

Aye , only takes a few seconds to swap files with 180'000 images around

You could try to copy the xml file put it into the fmt graphics folder and change the path of all pictures:

<record from="000001" to="graphics/pictures/person/000001/portrait"/>

to

<record from="000001" to="(fullpath of fm directory)/graphics/pictures/person/000001/portrait"/>

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is it only possible to use the english nationality - can only use german as second one - or i am wrong?

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Just now, Conardo said:

is it only possible to use the english nationality - can only use german as second one - i am wrong?

That took me a while to figure out, but you can just type what you want over it if the drop down isn't appearing in an obvious manner

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2 minutes ago, Per Annum said:

That took me a while to figure out, but you can just type what you want over it if the drop down isn't appearing in an obvious manner

Oh, thank you :)

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I'm really struggling to get offered a job. I'm managing England, I've started out with the highest manager reputation I can have and have applied for at least 15-20 jobs of clubs in various countries and divisions ranging from the top to the bottom. I have been interviewed numerous times tried all different answers to the questions but never been offered a single job. Is this a bug or something as it's rapidly becoming annoying

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I never had an issue with crossing in FM16 at all (despite all that was written about it), however in this version I've noticed most of my goals are coming from this method despite playing with a narrow formation without wingers.  I do play with attacking fullbacks to compensate the otherwise lack of width, but I'd have expected the goal types to be spread out a bit more. However this is only about 17 games into the first season, so there's still time for it to even itself out a bit more. 

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Just a side note for all who get frustrated about injuries (which are quiet realistic in the game). You will be able to magical heal players, with the in-game editor, when the game is released. All others should face the challenge.

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1 hour ago, treble_yell_:-) said:

Asking again - Does anyone know if there is any way to share graphics folders between FMT and Full Fat this year with them being separate apps ?

In Windows, you can set up a symlink from the folder in FM17 to the folder in FMT17 (or vice versa) and never have to move anything.

http://superuser.com/questions/1020821/how-to-create-a-symbolic-link-on-windows-10

 

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Finally managed to play a few matches of my save and really enjoyed the Full version this year, playing as Mladá Boleslav in the Czech Republic. I seem to be doing well so far, picked up a few injuries but nothing too drastic to call a crisis apart from one guy who out for 12-14 months :(

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