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Can we stop with all the hate? That guy gave everything for his national team. That guy was a leader for his teammates. That guy has got passion for his country: injured, but still standing on the sideline motivating everyone. What a fantastic player.

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Ronaldo > Messi

fact.

You wouldn't have seen Messi hobbling up and down the touch line motivating his team to win. He probably wouldn't even bothered to come out onto the pitch.

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Ronaldo > Messi

fact.

Literally was about to say this, amazing difference what a month has made, so true!

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dunno why anyone cares about who is better, both of them are fantastic footballers who managed to play in the same era as each other. Both will go down as legends of the game

waste of time trying to decide who is better

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Messi obviously the best technically but football is not just about technique and skill. Ronaldo has a far better mentality and personality than messi.

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He's undoubtedly a brilliant player, doesn't mean he's likeable, though. It's his constant moaning at everyone else on the pitch that makes me dislike him. Maybe his experience on the touchline will make him realise what he could be on the pitch, because if he starts doing that he'll easily cement himself as the best player ever.

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He's undoubtedly a brilliant player, doesn't mean he's likeable, though. It's his constant moaning at everyone else on the pitch that makes me dislike him. Maybe his experience on the touchline will make him realise what he could be on the pitch, because if he starts doing that he'll easily cement himself as the best player ever.

What? How exactly? Amazing that having an awful tournament with 1 or 2 good games and 1 in which he showed managerial qualities has put him on a pedestal.

Messi started a tournament injured, still got the most goals+assists and only just lost out on penalties. Messi in the Copa America > Ronaldo in the Euros.

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What? How exactly? Amazing that having an awful tournament with 1 or 2 good games and 1 in which he showed managerial qualities has put him on a pedestal.

Messi started a tournament injured, still got the most goals+assists and only just lost out on penalties. Messi in the Copa America > Ronaldo in the Euros.

Haha, well records will show:

Messi went to the Copa America, lost in the final again and retired from international footy.

Ronaldo went to the Euros with an unfancied Portugese team and ended up lifting the trophy as Captain.

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Doesn't even need to be argued anymore. Ronaldo is the greatest, Messi just wasted potential :thup:

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I much prefer Ronaldo to messi as Ronaldo is a leader who inspires his teammates. He is the ultimate professional and shows his personality. Messi while a great player, isn't a great leader and shows no personality. Messi has far more talented teammates to work with yet they can't even win copa America when they are the favourites every year yet they get outclassed.

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I much prefer Ronaldo to messi as Ronaldo is a leader who inspires his teammates. He is the ultimate professional and shows his personality. Messi while a great player, isn't a great leader and shows no personality. Messi has far more talented teammates to work with yet they can't even win copa America when they are the favourites every year yet they get outclassed.

In fairness they don't really get outclassed, Higuain just loses his bottle.

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I much prefer Ronaldo to messi as Ronaldo is a leader who inspires his teammates. He is the ultimate professional and shows his personality. Messi while a great player, isn't a great leader and shows no personality. Messi has far more talented teammates to work with yet they can't even win copa America when they are the favourites every year yet they get outclassed.

He has more talented strikers, plus Di María. And not all of the strikers can play. So I don't buy this. I think quite a few of the Portuguese midfielders would make the Argentina XI at the moment.

In fact, now I think about it, I reckon a combined XI would have more Portugal players than Argentina.

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In fairness they don't really get outclassed, Higuain just loses his bottle.

Not just higuain, messi as well. Both missed one on one in the World Cup final but people only seem to mention higuain.

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Patricio; Soares, Pepe, Fonte, Guerreiro; Mascherano, William Carvalho, Banega; Cristiano Ronaldo, Aguero, Messi.

Yes I did just pick Fonte over Otamendi.

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Patricio; Soares, Pepe, Fonte, Guerreiro; Mascherano, William Carvalho, Banega; Cristiano Ronaldo, Aguero, Messi.

Yes I did just pick Fonte over Otamendi.

I'd put mascherano as centre back and di Maria in midfield as no need for 2 defensive midfielders which such a strong team. Apart from that id agree but the right back position could be anyone really.

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What? How exactly? .

Because his extreme selfishness and arrogance as a player on the pitch is what makes him so unlikeable. If he replaced that with the attitude he showed from the sidelines last night not only would he become better, but the team around him would become better, too.

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I don't want to get into the whole Messi vs. Ronaldo thing. That has been discussed already so many times, useless and unnecessary imo.

Really admire Ronaldo, great sportsman, true winner. Very happy to see him finally win a big tournament with Portugal.

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Ronaldo is definitely the best Messi impersonator in the world.

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Ronaldo is definitely the best Messi impersonator in the world.

Nope. He can't really do much of what makes Messi, Messi.

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Bloody love Ronaldo, so dedicated to being the best. Chuffed for him, he deserves it.

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Nope. He can't really do much of what makes Messi, Messi.

I know, right? Pays his taxes and everything :thdn:

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You know that Messi well and truly buried this argument when Ronaldo's fanboy's no.1 weapon is taxes. :D

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Yeah it's just hugs and laughs together and pics, but it's remarkable how readily football's "greats" get close to footie's big crooks, the other Ronaldo readily doing favours and biz with the former Don, or turn into them themselves, one of the best things about the final from a neutral football fan's point of view: the booing of Platini. Not that it was a first, and Maradona is doing grunt PR work for the guy in South America now himself after having spend so much time on telly ranting about said crooks. Oh, the irony.

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His football skills are not in doubt. The thing is that even in his theatrics yesterday night, you can see somebody desperately screaming for attention, being in the spotlight when injury threatened him to be side-lined, a liner note, supporting cast in what was threatened to become a moment of history -- at least as far as Portugal's football is concerned. In particular as they looked more solid after his coming off, arguably. The repeatedly check of the video screens whilst going 'bout, the jumping up and down, this is somebody looking for attention and spotlight first and foremost, and he's not trying to hide it from anyone. How serious press would immediately connect this with a knack for management is amazing. In parts even the [many] tears of joy and despair can feel like hammy acting, even when they are genuine, which he has himself to blame also. I may accept that it is perception playing tricks, but the package feels completely fake. There seems to be a PR specialist behind his every moves, which might be a clever thing, but also the thing that part of the audience despise the most -- the embodiment of football as entertainment and prime-time showbiz more than a sports pure and simple. 22 actors putting on a show, and in the end, the biggest guy wins.

I was waiting for Santos to give him a slap after he continued to harass him. This all being about jealousy etc. is a complete straw man, as this most baby fat of sports has seen countless of super egos, assholes and obnoxious figures throughout the years. Behind the larger than life ego that is Zlatan you can sense some self-irony and tongue-in-cheekiness, which is utterly absent here. It's understandably why some would be badly rubbed by his, whilst others less so, and this is the crux of the matter right here. He won't cause overly much indifference, everybody's got an opinion, which makes it all the more clever a package from a (self) marketing point of view. Rest assured legend and PR, media obsession with starlets (and reliance on them to produce headlines) plus mens' obsession with the great history man theory changing fortunes and causing seismic shifts all by himself will blow this out of proportion in no time -- no matter what the genuinelly and deservedly merits in winning this tourney were, and contribution is not in doubt. Hate is by far too strong a word reserved for the actually idiots ruining the world, and I can see how some would view him with more sympathy, and can respect his contribution as well as his naturally skills and hard work on the training grounds. I also hope for his family and friends, this is really just for show, and he's a top bloke off the cam and pitch, which I'm sure he is. But I'll never put him on the exact same pedal as some of classic greats of football. And that, he has worked hard on just as well as on his actually skills.

Congrats Portugal, and him too. After so many would have beens and close encounters, they finally went all the way. I'm personally glad the DFB didn't do it this time around, and starting this with football's crooks, they've got more immediate stuff to sort out now and hopefully the public and press will remember that now. A title is just what their questionably new president coming to his post under questionably circumstance would have needed.

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He's undoubtedly a brilliant player, doesn't mean he's likeable, though. It's his constant moaning at everyone else on the pitch that makes me dislike him. Maybe his experience on the touchline will make him realise what he could be on the pitch, because if he starts doing that he'll easily cement himself as the best player ever.

Actually the change came not last night but a few games ago. During most of the group games he was constantly nagging and waving about angrily at his team mates but from the Hungary match he started to be a lot more positive about it and apparently he was a big support during the penalty shootout and he did really well last night (IMO at lest). Will be interesting to see if it was a short term change or if it will last.

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Yeah it's just hugs and laughs together and pics, but it's remarkable how readily football's "greats" get close to footie's big crooks, the other Ronaldo readily doing favours and biz with the former Don, or turn into them themselves, one of the best things about the final from a neutral football fan's point of view: the booing of Platini. Not that it was a first, and Maradona is doing grunt PR work for the guy in South America now himself after having spend so much time on telly ranting about said crooks. Oh, the irony.

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His football skills are not in doubt. The thing is that even in his theatrics yesterday night, you can see somebody desperately screaming for attention, being in the spotlight when injury threatened him to be side-lined, a liner note, supporting cast in what was threatened to become a moment of history -- at least as far as Portugal's football is concerned. In particular as they looked more solid after his coming off, arguably. The repeatedly check of the video screens whilst going 'bout, the jumping up and down, this is somebody looking for attention and spotlight first and foremost, and he's not trying to hide it from anyone. How serious press would immediately connect this with a knack for management is amazing. In parts even the [many] tears of joy and despair can feel like hammy acting, even when they are genuine, which he has himself to blame also. I may accept that it is perception playing tricks, but the package feels completely fake. There seems to be a PR specialist behind his every moves, which might be a clever thing, but also the thing that part of the audience despise the most -- the embodiment of football as entertainment and prime-time showbiz more than a sports pure and simple. 22 actors putting on a show, and in the end, the biggest guy wins.

I was waiting for Santos to give him a slap after he continued to harass him. This all being about jealousy etc. is a complete straw man, as this most baby fat of sports has seen countless of super egos, assholes and obnoxious figures throughout the years. Behind the larger than life ego that is Zlatan you can sense some self-irony and tongue-in-cheekiness, which is utterly absent here. It's understandably why some would be badly rubbed by his, whilst others less so, and this is the crux of the matter right here. He won't cause overly much indifference, everybody's got an opinion, which makes it all the more clever a package from a (self) marketing point of view. Rest assured legend and PR, media obsession with starlets (and reliance on them to produce headlines) plus mens' obsession with the great history man theory changing fortunes and causing seismic shifts all by himself will blow this out of proportion in no time -- no matter what the genuinelly and deservedly merits in winning this tourney were, and contribution is not in doubt. Hate is by far too strong a word reserved for the actually idiots ruining the world, and I can see how some would view him with more sympathy, and can respect his contribution as well as his naturally skills and hard work on the training grounds. I also hope for his family and friends, this is really just for show, and he's a top bloke off the cam and pitch, which I'm sure he is. But I'll never put him on the exact same pedal as some of classic greats of football. And that, he has worked hard on just as well as on his actually skills.

Congrats Portugal, and him too. After so many would have beens and close encounters, they finally went all the way. I'm personally glad the DFB didn't do it this time around, and starting this with football's crooks, they've got more immediate stuff to sort out now and hopefully the public and press will remember that now. A title is just what their questionably new president coming to his post under questionably circumstance would have needed.

It's true that he has spent his entire life under the spotlight and enjoyed it. But I don't think he wanted to be noticed in yesterday's game. He's got passion. He realized that he's 31 and, if he wanted to win something with his country, yesterday was his biggest chance while he was in his prime.

On top of my head, I've seen only two players with such passion from the sideline: him yesterday and Buffon in South Africa 2010.

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Ronaldo did the same in the CL Quarters or Semis two years ago.

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Wonder if there's a rule about managing one team while playing in another...

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I think Ronaldo is an incredible player, a machine

However, a lot of what he does seems so designed. He knows cameras are on him. Madrid win their 10th CL and he's there, shirt off, muscle pose right into the camera. I mean, he knows that is going all over the place

When his country or club lose a big game then he's there with the cartoon-like head shaking, muttering to himself "I am upset" and it will be captured on camera, he knows that

I am sure he was excited and wanted to help but on the touchline ... he knew they'd be plenty of footage of him there so he'd be measured. Won't catch him scratching his balls like Low!

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The Christano Ronaldo marketing machine working full hours again.

Even when another player scores when Ronaldo is has been sitting on the bench for almost a full hour, it's all thanks to him ofcourse.

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I think Ronaldo is an incredible player, a machine

However, a lot of what he does seems so designed. He knows cameras are on him. Madrid win their 10th CL and he's there, shirt off, muscle pose right into the camera. I mean, he knows that is going all over the place

When his country or club lose a big game then he's there with the cartoon-like head shaking, muttering to himself "I am upset" and it will be captured on camera, he knows that

I am sure he was excited and wanted to help but on the touchline ... he knew they'd be plenty of footage of him there so he'd be measured. Won't catch him scratching his balls like Low!

hmm, think you've got it the wrong way round Raz. The camera seeks out Ronaldo, not the other way round. Ronaldo's just there doing his thing, it's because he oozes star quality that the camera follows him. He didn't design this, whoever's directing all the cameras to check and see what he's up to all the time, they designed it.

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You know that Messi well and truly buried this argument when Ronaldo's fanboy's no.1 weapon is taxes. :D

Pretty sure the biggest weapon is this:

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When things were tough one let his country down, the other one helped them to glory :thup:

Messi can't help being mentally weak, it's not his fault any more than it's his fault he's short.

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Need better bait.

No bait, just facts. The picture says everything about which one deserves to be up there with Pele, Maradona Beckenbauer etc. and which one doesn't :thup:

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No bait, just facts. The picture says everything about which one deserves to be up there with Pele, Maradona Beckenbauer etc. and which one doesn't :thup:

Tbf to Dion this is true. Ronaldo does deserve to be up there with those guys...

...on the tier just below Messi. ;)

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This blasted Ronaldo vs Messi thing will keep going decades after they have retired.

Neither as good as Maradona in my opinion, but that debate will keep going too.

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Tbf to Dion this is true. Ronaldo does deserve to be up there with those guys...

...on the tier just below Messi. ;)

I'm afraid "up there" implies the other is "down there". Nice to see semantics is the best defence left though ;)

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I think Portugal 'carried' Ronaldo. I hope it's not looked back and seen Ronaldo led Portugal to the Euro cup. When it's more the case that the whole organisation, defence and midfield were a key part behind the victory.

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I think Portugal 'carried' Ronaldo. I hope it's not looked back and seen Ronaldo led Portugal to the Euro cup. When it's more the case that the whole organisation, defence and midfield were a key part behind the victory.

No one carried anyone. They simply worked extremely well as a team and played for each other. They played some great football and won. Ronaldo had 3 goals and 3 assists, I don't get the myth in that he played badly. He played well and he inspired his teammates and they as a team were the most impressive team of the tournament.

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Portugal didn't impress me tbf, still don't even think they were worthy winners. They were the better team probably in the final, but for most of the tournament I thought they were shoddy and I've definitely seen better Portugal team performances from previous sides than anything this team did in this tournament.

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I'm afraid "up there" implies the other is "down there". Nice to see semantics is the best defence left though ;)

No it doesn't?

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No it doesn't?

It most certainly does, read the sentence ffs :D

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It most certainly does, read the sentence ffs :D

I am, and the relevant word is "deserve". Something can "not deserve" to be grouped with something else either by being not good enough, or too good. "Messi doesn't deserve to be up there with Pele etc" is a strange way of saying he's better than them, but it's not exactly incorrect.

Of course it's contextually obvious what you mean, but, given Vynal Seven was jokingly decontextaulising it, that's irrelevant. That kind of joke relies on reading the sentence in a way which is unnatural, but technically valid. Obviously nobody thinks that's what you were actually saying.

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I am, and the relevant word is "deserve". Something can "not deserve" to be grouped with something else either by being not good enough, or too good. "Messi doesn't deserve to be up there with Pele etc" is a strange way of saying he's better than them, but it's not exactly incorrect.

Of course it's contextually obvious what you mean, but, given Vynal Seven was jokingly decontextaulising it, that's irrelevant. That kind of joke relies on reading the sentence in a way which is unnatural, but technically valid. Obviously nobody thinks that's what you were actually saying.

It's not technically valid at all :D that's the stupidest thing in this thread and the entire thread is a big stupid troll in itself. Which is quite the effort.

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