Lermon Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I thought Iceland played well. I thought England put their all into it, and had a good set of players. I think Hodgson is limited, but he's been better than many other England managers. How long were we caught on this fictional Lampard/Gerrard combo. In those times it looked like England had very limited talent. I would criticise the subs Hodgson made though, and the tactical opt. Should have moved the ball quicker into the box, and taken a gamble taking off pointless players like Rose. It would be a hard job to find a new quality manager capable of out achieving Hodgson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 what? plenty of better managers then Woy... including everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 The only positives about this tournament is that we didn't lose to Wales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 There's a decent future ahead imo. Some good young players, first halves against Slovakia and Russia were good. Iceland are a hell of a let better than people give credit for (still shouldn't lose to them ofc) However, his substitutions were poor. Even the Wales game it felt like he just threw all the strikers on and hoped for the best with no genuine tactical thought. Someone said he seemed to set up for the diamond and bottled it and went for 4-3-3 which I don't disagree with (though I didn't rate the diamond in the friendly games) He was putting square pegs into round holes and it didn't work at all. Think if he set up based around the players we'd have seen better results. I still think this was better than 2010 though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Imagine the fall out if we won the Group then got Koed by NI Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Out achieving Hodgson. 2 utter failures and narrow defeat on penalties to Italy. Which may I add people would have quite easily written off as he only had about 6 weeks in charge. His squad selections for the last 2 tournaments were all wrong. His tactics were all wrong. People are blinded by his qualifying success. He's a dinosaur of a manager who looked well out of his depth this last fortnight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 what was positive about England? we beat Wales Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I actually think in 2014 we didn't play too badly and lost 2 close games that could have gone either way to 2 good teams. Costa Rica was a write off as we were out already. This we should have beat Russia, should have beat Slovakia and should have beat Iceland but, even if we had good periods in two of those games, we were tactically poor and got what we deserved (well, deserved to beat Russia but the other games we didn't deserve to win at all) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 If we can't find someone who could do a better job than Hodgson we might as well just give up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 awful goalkeeper, poor defence, average midfield at best, average attack who can't link up. What is there to be positive about? Play an awful style of football, to be honest there isn't even a style as it is totally aimless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 If we can't find someone who could do a better job than Hodgson we might as well just give up. We won't find a better Englishman to take over Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 We won't find a better Englishman to take over Then don't hire an Englishman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 I agree, but I doubt the FA will do that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 even if they did they would chose someone crap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
georginho_juventusygr Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 The positive? I definitely enjoyed this England more than the one two years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 tbf the way England played tonight was very Man Utd esque. So slow with the build up play and awful all round, give it to LVG Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 nah Spain was Man Utd esque.. they had to rely on DDG to keep the score down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 It'd be a hard job to surpass Hodgson's record in qualifiers, especially with what isn't a particularly great England side. It would also be difficult to look more clueless about scoring from open play against massed defences in actual tournament football, even when playing similarly weak teams, or more vulnerable when the opposition actually needed to score. I mean, seriously, this tournament made Gerrard and Lampard disagreeing over midfield responsibilities look like Guardiola-era Barcelona. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 not a great England side.. its better then a fair few of the teams that have got through with ease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelBrown Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 It'd be a hard job to surpass Hodgson's record in qualifiers, especially with what isn't a particularly great England side.It would also be difficult to look more clueless about scoring from open play against massed defences in actual tournament football, even when playing similarly weak teams, or more vulnerable when the opposition actually needed to score. I mean, seriously, this tournament made Gerrard and Lampard disagreeing over midfield responsibilities look like Guardiola-era Barcelona. record in qualifiers against some absolutely shocking sides. Even that which imo isn't that much of a big deal doesn't excuse how poor we've looked at the last WC and then the Euros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I agree, but I doubt the FA will do that I think we will go foreign but with a hint of English, i.e. foreign manager that has managed in the Premier League and/or Europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 It was a side that was much easier to support, we all knew they are limited in some areas but there are also some genuinely good young exciting players that will be playing for England for years, and will do better. We did what was expected in the qualifiers with ease and we beat some great countries in friendlies too, friendlies that weren't actually dull! I just hope we don't appoint southgate or pardew next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I think we will go foreign but with a hint of English AVB's grandmother was English, does that count? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wigmore Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The one and only criticism I have of England is how badly they crumbled last night. I mentioned in the other thread, we're talking top level professionals failing to do the basics - you can only put that down to the immense expectation on them to beat Iceland comfortably. Over the course of the group stage, I thought we were very good on the whole. Dominated every game, on another day each of those games would've been 2 or 3 goal victories. I really like our current crop of players, much more than 2010/2012 when we had a really pony side out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammayel666 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 If FM is anything to go by, Roberto Martinez will get the job. And he is available right now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Martinez? on my FM its Bilic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citizen Sandman Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Koeman always for me, he goes onto win WC everytime. Shame Everton just nipped in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Positive about England? The match officials from England have been really good so far, after that I've got nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 On the positive side those Icelanders where bloody brilliant. Tell you what if that Sigurdsson doesn't win player of the tournament there is no justice. 3 cheers for Sigurdsson!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 The one and only criticism I have of England is how badly they crumbled last night. I mentioned in the other thread, we're talking top level professionals failing to do the basics - you can only put that down to the immense expectation on them to beat Iceland comfortably.Over the course of the group stage, I thought we were very good on the whole. Dominated every game, on another day each of those games would've been 2 or 3 goal victories. I really like our current crop of players, much more than 2010/2012 when we had a really pony side out. I think conceding two goals to Iceland showed up how misleading the "domination" in the group stages was. Basically, every time a side was sufficiently motivated to score against England in the tournament and had more than a minute to do it, they succeeded. And on three out of four games they were able to prevent England scoring from open play too, aided significantly by England's consistently poor crossing and shooting and inability to stretch them by increasing the tempo. When the opposition get the result they want more often than you do, you're not dominating. All those sides Leicester beat last season weren't dominating just because they had more possession, more crosses and/or more blocked shots. In 2012 we topped a group that included France and took a finalist to penalties. They weren't particularly great performances, but this is not a step forward. - Based on FM I'm looking forward to Roberto Martinez or Brendan Rodgers winning the Nations Cup on a regular basis... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robokid87 Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 On the positive side those Icelanders where bloody brilliant. Tell you what if that Sigurdsson doesn't win player of the tournament there is no justice. 3 cheers for Sigurdsson!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DandyDon Posted July 1, 2016 Share Posted July 1, 2016 If FM is anything to go by, Roberto Martinez will get the job. And he is available right now... Martinez on my save too...and he hasn't picked Hart since August 2016, got news item that 'Hart's England career is over' when he didn't make most recent squad on my game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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