Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Germany and Ukraine kicking off in Lille at the moment. Wonder if they will have left before the Russians arrive? France are losing control of this situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Is that like when they helped them by annexing Crimea? Was a blog of a Russian hooligan and had a bunch of bullet points, cannot find it now but basically said along the lines of they are still their Ukrainian brothers despite what has happened between the countries....any excuse to fight I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 France are losing control of this situation. They never had control of the situation for them to lose control to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Have you ever been to Marseille?It's not 'easy to look at the schedule after the event' (overlooking the fact that Lens/Lille haven't even happened yet). I was saying the same thing the other day in a conversation that I didn't understand why that fixture was in Marseille - not claiming any special insight, it was blindingly obvious to anyone with a vague knowledge of European football. A number of people with far more expertise have written about the scheduling. I mean, I'm kinda surprised that the French police/stadium authorities have been so incompetent. The police haven't moved on at all from their tactics of do nothing - do nothing - indiscriminately teargas everyone that were so unsuccessful in 1998. And it's genuinely shocking that, in a country on high alert for terrorism, that Russians were able to get fireworks, flare guns and what was described as 'agricultural explosives' into the stadium unchecked. Even if we accept your argument that UEFA were ignorant enough not to understand the potential of the fixture (which is demonstrably untrue as they had actually categorised it as the highest threat level), events as they occurred on Friday (especially as it became apparant that there were large organised Russian gangs tooled up for trouble) should have meant that the segregation in the stadium itself was immediately reassessed. All your concerns were raised back in December. So they knew and had plenty of time to women it. And failed to do so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 You do have to wonder how prepared they would have been/are in case of a terrorist attack. If fans are sneaking in flares and flare guns into the stadium you have to question how much they're searching people. My mate who went to the England/Russia game said they were barely even patted down as they went in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_84 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 You do have to wonder how prepared they would have been/are in case of a terrorist attack. If fans are sneaking in flares and flare guns into the stadium you have to question how much they're searching people. My mate who went to the England/Russia game said they were barely even patted down as they went in. I'd like to think they know who they are looking out for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMan Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I beat up about 12 Russians last night. I left one conscious and said ''Go and tell Putin about me'' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennon67 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I beat up about 12 Russians last night. I left one conscious and said ''Go and tell Putin about me'' Drank 12 Russian Vodka's more like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iMan Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Don't drink m8. Prefer a Capri Sun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Apparently the French Government have now banned any alcohol being consumed within proximity of the venues and fan zones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 France are just a right state of a country tbh. What is going on here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Apparently the French Government have now banned any alcohol being consumed within proximity of the venues and fan zones. Which is stupid considering the hooliganism isn't due to alcohol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Which is stupid considering the hooliganism isn't due to alcohol. Yeah from what I've seen apparently most of the Russians were sober and had gum shields in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonko Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I hope UEFA disqualifies the teams and arrests all hooligans. Or ban the fans from attending all remaining games and slap both teams with bans to play a number of future qualifying games behind closed doors. This barbaric behavior is ridiculous! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I would also want UEFA to accept their fair amount of responsibility for recent events, they are from from blameless organisers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Some of these German/Ukrainian clashes look as bad if not worse than the English/Russian ones. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Both nations are know for their well organised supporter violence, the English are weekend enthusiasts when it comes to this stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titchuk Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Yeah from what I've seen apparently most of the Russians were sober and had gum shields in. Yeah that's partly why it's ending up so bad - sober organised Russians turning up to beat up a load of drunk fat Englishmen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I hope UEFA disqualifies the teams and arrests all hooligans. Or ban the fans from attending all remaining games and slap both teams with bans to play a number of future qualifying games behind closed doors. This barbaric behavior is ridiculous! Pretty sure that UEFA does not yet possess power of arrest... Which are both teams? There's been at least 8 sets of fans involved in violence so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 Which are both teams? There's been at least 8 sets of fans involved in violence so far. It would be pretty unfair to ban any of them anyway, neither the FAs nor the players had anything to do with the incidents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 It would be pretty unfair to ban any of them anyway, neither the FAs nor the players had anything to do with the incidents. There's video of the Russian Sports minister applauding the Russian fans as they run the England section, that doesn't look the best.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 There's video of the Russian Sports minister applauding the Russian fans as they run the England section, that doesn't look the best.... That's not the Russian FA's official position. Should just ban that sports minister from going to the Euro 2016, in this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigus89 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 To be fair, no one is blameless in all of this. Yes, the English have a reputation for this sort of thing. Yes, the Russian fans looked like absolute helmets attacking the English after the game. This trouble is going to happen at any footballing event like this. Not excusing any of it at all, but I do wonder whether this is all being sensationalised a bit due to social media and the way news is reported. People now on the look out for any signs of trouble and it's instantly being spread all over the internet. I also wonder how often the tear-gas is used by the french police? It seems extreme to us in England as it isn't the norm, we'd have to have a cabinet meeting before we deployed tear-gas on an invading nation, the french are obviously a lot more liberal with it and more aggressive in their policing approach. All of this can make it look worse than it actually is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 To be fair, no one is blameless in all of this. Yes, the English have a reputation for this sort of thing. Yes, the Russian fans looked like absolute helmets attacking the English after the game. This trouble is going to happen at any sporting event like this.Not excusing any of it at all, but I do wonder whether this is all being sensationalised a bit due to social media and the way news is reported. People now on the look out for any signs of trouble and it's instantly being spread all over the internet. I also wonder how often the tear-gas is used by the french police? It seems extreme to us in England as it isn't the norm, we'd have to have a cabinet meeting before we deployed tear-gas on an invading nation, the french are obviously a lot more liberal with it and more aggressive in their policing approach. All of this can make it look worse than it actually is. That's not true. There are plenty of other teams whose supporters don't act like a bunch of drunken louts, and there are plenty of other sports who don't have anything like this kind of trouble. Just face it, an awful lot of football fans are scum, particularly in England. Sure you can even see it week in week out in the highly sanitized coverage of teh bestest league in teh whole world. All sorts of tanked up eejits making all sorts of hand signals at the opposition's players, the snarls of hatred at the other teams' fans, scummy chants about disasters involving the other team's supporters, complete segregation because grown men can't be trusted to not attack each other, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigus89 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 That's not true. There are plenty of other teams whose supporters don't act like a bunch of drunken louts, and there are plenty of other sports who don't have anything like this kind of trouble. Just face it, an awful lot of football fans are scum, particularly in England. Sure you can even see it week in week out in the highly sanitized coverage of teh bestest league in teh whole world. All sorts of tanked up eejits making all sorts of hand signals at the opposition's players, the snarls of hatred at the other teams' fans, scummy chants about disasters involving the other team's supporters, complete segregation because grown men can't be trusted to not attack each other, etc. You're quite right, I meant footballing event specifically rather than any sports. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I also wonder how often the tear-gas is used by the french police? It seems extreme to us in England as it isn't the norm, we'd have to have a cabinet meeting before we deployed tear-gas on an invading nation, the french are obviously a lot more liberal with it and more aggressive in their policing approach. All of this can make it look worse than it actually is. It's not that it's more aggressive, it's that it's really ****ing ineffective. Basically how football used to be policed in Britain in the 1980s (but with batons being the weapon of choice rather than tear gas). Wait until a situation kicks off and then pile in with force. It didn't work in Britain in the 1980s and it doesn't work now. It just creates more aggro because the people caught up in the pile in are more likely to be innocent bystanders than the actual troublemakers, and the hardcore are off away to regroup and have another pop. How can you have armed gangs roaming around a city carrying weapons and basically wearing uniforms and the police have hardly arrested anyone. If it was policed how public order policing goes in the UK now, everyone would be on film, the ringleaders would be identified and taken out, anyone carrying a weapon would be pulled and the local troublemakers wouldn't be able to get anywhere near the potential flashpoint areas in numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 150 Russians behind much of violence in Marseille ahead of Euro 2016 England-Russia match, say French prosecutors Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD nawrat Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Seen a funny tweet about this. Along the lines of: "The FFF thinks their police force are prepared for ISIS but they can't even handle Dave and the lads from Clactom-on-Sea" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 They can't even handle WAGs and journalists ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 13, 2016 Author Share Posted June 13, 2016 150 Russians behind much of violence in Marseille ahead of Euro 2016 England-Russia match' date=' say French prosecutors[/i'] Russian hooligans >>> foreign hooligans: Sky Sports News HQ @SkySportsNewsHQ 6s7 seconds ago Following violence in Marseille 6 British, 3 French & an Austrian arrested. 150 suspected Russians escaped arrest. How can 150 people escape arrest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Really good article by one of the journalists who was in Marseilles on saturday. http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/ken-early-russians-go-to-war-with-an-english-myth-1.2682005 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Really good article by one of the journalists who was in Marseilles on saturday.http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/ken-early-russians-go-to-war-with-an-english-myth-1.2682005 Good to read this. Too many innocent people have been caught up this time and (like i referred to above) amongst them are journalists and WAGs, i'm actually glad that from this we can actually get a fair report and hopefully it will stop the reactionary nonsense and the English slagging off their own regardless of the facts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Russian hooligans >>> foreign hooligans:How can 150 people escape arrest? They escape arrest even despite wearing the exact same shirts, so many of them with black shirts on and the local team they support, so many with MMA gloves as well...yet they escape the police Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PandoraBox Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Michael Yokhin @Yokhin Igor Lebedev, Russian FA executive: "90% of the fans go to football to fight, and that is normal. Our guys stood for our country". lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOStriker Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Michael Yokhin @Yokhin Igor Lebedev, Russian FA executive: "90% of the fans go to football to fight, and that is normal. Our guys stood for our country". lol Read that earlier, pretty extraordinary really that someone with so much influence can be that dense. The 2018 World Cup is going to be one giant, bloody, train wreck isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlander Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Michael Yokhin @Yokhin Igor Lebedev, Russian FA executive: "90% of the fans go to football to fight, and that is normal. Our guys stood for our country". lol Tbf, that quote is a lie, most likely. I couldn't find any such words from.him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afced7 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 This is supposedly where he said it: https://twitter.com/Russian1972 but I have no idea whether that's a genuine twitter account or indeed what the tweets actually say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 How can 150 people escape arrest? They're so hard to spot. How can the police be expected to identify them amongst all those crowds of other people wearing balaclavas, gum shields and mma gloves? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Villa Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Tbf I wouldn't want to mess with them either. Look like right mental ********. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Oh look, it's other grown rival football fans clearly out to fight http://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1248293795264949&id=466254463468890 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Good to read this.Too many innocent people have been caught up this time and (like i referred to above) amongst them are journalists and WAGs' date=' i'm actually glad that from this we can actually get a fair report and hopefully it will stop the reactionary nonsense and the English slagging off their own regardless of the facts.[/quote'] Except that article apportions a level of blame to the English fans too ? Sure the bigger portions are with the local troublemakers and the Russian thugs, but a significant minority of English fans were also out looking for trouble. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Read that earlier, pretty extraordinary really that someone with so much influence can be that dense.The 2018 World Cup is going to be one giant, bloody, train wreck isn't it? No, because they'll instantly go to modern-day Gulags if they try to repeat something similar during Putin's Cup. And because Russian police is 1000x more organized than these French clowns. If anyone wanted to blow something up, it could happen during any game. How can a French minister say that 150 Russians are at fault for this? He's basically admitting that they're so incompetent that they can't control 150 people. After the spent hundreds of millions on security measures before EURO. Whole Europe knew what was bound to happen in Marseille on Saturday after the groups were drawn, yet they did nothing to prevent it. Btw, those English guys that got arrested all got a couple of months in prison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 No, because they'll instantly go to modern-day Gulags if they try to repeat something similar during Putin's Cup.And because Russian police is 1000x more organized than these French clowns. That is why there is no hooliganism in Russia. Oh, wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
outlander Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 That is why there is no hooliganism in Russia. Oh, wait. Completely different things/situations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 That is why there is no hooliganism in Russia. Oh, wait. Ofc there is. But most of it happens in the woods where they beat each other up, far away from the civilization. It doesn't happen that often around the stadiums. Goverment goes easy on them in exchange for no other troubles (during protests and such). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 It doesn't happen that often around the stadiums. Goverment goes easy on them in exchange for no other troubles (during protests and such). You'd think that with all those 1000 x more organised police, they would be able to control protests as well and wouldn't need to make tacit deals with criminal gangs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 You'd think that with all those 1000 x more organised police, they would be able to control protests as well and wouldn't need to make tacit deals with criminal gangs? Why waste their resources on that when those criminal gangs aren't harming any outsiders and they're not using any weapons. And then they can send them out to make trouble in countries which they dislike, like Poland four years ago, or France now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Except that article apportions a level of blame to the English fans too ?Sure the bigger portions are with the local troublemakers and the Russian thugs, but a significant minority of English fans were also out looking for trouble. Im not saying that it isn't, its just nice to see someone say 'hold on a minute' and describe what was happening rather than saying ENGLISH THUGS GO ON RAMPAGE without any context. Hopefully it can make other people understand what is happening and talk less reactionary nonsense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 Why waste their resources on that when those criminal gangs aren't harming any outsiders and they're not using any weapons. And then they can send them out to make trouble in countries which they dislike, like Poland four years ago, or France now. I'm not used to winning arguments this easily, it's hard to know what to say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted June 13, 2016 Share Posted June 13, 2016 I'm not used to winning arguments this easily, it's hard to know what to say. It's not an argument. It's just how things are. While the world is not looking and when they're not harming any outsiders/property, Putin doesn't care. In two years, the world will be watching Russia and nothing will happen. Just look at the statements from Russian ministers. One of them basically said "Good job from the lads." The other one said "It's normal for them to fight before a game." Third one said "They defended our nation's honor." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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