Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 It's still amazing that in this day and age that police all over the world still have zero clue how to deal with large groups of people. Their first reaction is to always use a sledgehammer to hammer that proverbial nail into the wall. If they're not overreacting, they're nowhere to be seen. And yet nearly everybody's first reaction is disgust and panning of the people seen in the footage, they don't wait to find out what happened. Thankfully a lot of journos and other well followed people on social media are experiencing it first hand and telling everyone how desperately **** the situation is. As usual the authorities have a lot to answer for Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Some bloke on Twitter: UEFA have began disciplinary proceedings against Russia for events in the stadium. Possible that they could be sanctioned quite severely due to having had sanctions after each of their Euro 2012 matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevt81 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Sky reporting it too Still amazes me how that country was awarded the world cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Some bloke on Twitter: UEFA have began disciplinary proceedings against Russia for events in the stadium. Possible that they could be sanctioned quite severely due to having had sanctions after each of their Euro 2012 matches. The suspended points deduction expired after the qualifiers. Be interesting if UEFA do decide to hand out a punishment what it is, can't really force them to play any home games behind closed doors for the foreseeable future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 The way this is going how about the awarding of the euros to France? last night the poles and northern irish get done in by locals as well, is this going to happen in every city? At least it got reported correctly this time unlike when it happened in Marseille Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titchuk Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I went to see a game in Moscow once and the police/army presence is massive. It was just a random league game, no rivalry between the sides, and yet the security presence was huge. Walking from the ground back to the metro the path was totally enclosed by army, and soldiers on each metro carriage back. We went to a bar in the centre afterwards and got chatting to some of the locals who had also been at the game, they were pretty pleased that we'd been. They were very nice but one of them pointed out a giant of a man sat with his mates at another table and told us 'if you weren't with me, they'd beat you up because they don't like foreigners'. Later that night a bunch of (different) Russians had a big fight, sort of over us. So I don't think there'll be any issues at/near the stadiums in 2018 but there certainly could be danger in the cities themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I saw some reports that a PSG firm actually turned up to Marseille to 'help' out the English against the local hooligans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Forest Echo News is a network of fake journalists post fake stories. Ignore. They have been suspended now, thankfully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 They have been suspended now, thankfully. Would love to know who was behind it, had an entire network going on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty206 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 https://twitter.com/UEFA/status/741702856655396865 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 https://twitter.com/UEFA/status/741702856655396865 Clearly Polish fans. Doesn't UEFA know its kits? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Clearly Polish fans. Doesn't UEFA know its kits? That picture wasn't tweeted by UEFA Still, shocking timing by UEFA, what were they thinking? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted June 12, 2016 Author Share Posted June 12, 2016 Clearly Polish fans. Doesn't UEFA know its kits? That pic wasn't posted by UEFA, it was posted by some Man Utd fan in a reply to UEFA's post. He certainly didn't know (or care) that they were Polish, not Russian though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty206 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Yeah it wasn't the photo that made me laugh but the comment from UEFA. "Inspiring the future of football" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Oh right. Clearly I don't know how Twitter works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Sky reporting it tooStill amazes me how that country was awarded the world cup Corruption and money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopra_hill Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 England fans embarrassing themselves again. Shame to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Albrighton Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 1/10 trolling again. Shame to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titchuk Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Would love to know who was behind it' date=' had an entire network going on [/quote']The main guy's back and is pretending to work for the Mirror so we'll see how long that lasts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suggy33 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I went to see a game in Moscow once and the police/army presence is massive. It was just a random league game, no rivalry between the sides, and yet the security presence was huge. Walking from the ground back to the metro the path was totally enclosed by army, and soldiers on each metro carriage back.We went to a bar in the centre afterwards and got chatting to some of the locals who had also been at the game, they were pretty pleased that we'd been. They were very nice but one of them pointed out a giant of a man sat with his mates at another table and told us 'if you weren't with me, they'd beat you up because they don't like foreigners'. Later that night a bunch of (different) Russians had a big fight, sort of over us. So I don't think there'll be any issues at/near the stadiums in 2018 but there certainly could be danger in the cities themselves. Exactly this. The main issues will be in Moscow and SPB. While there are ultras in most other cities, places like Kazan, Samara, Saransk, Yekaterinburg are much more civil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggins Top Boys Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 The main guy's back and is pretending to work for the Mirror so we'll see how long that lasts. Whoever is behind it is an absolute nutter thats for sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 The main guy's back and is pretending to work for the Mirror so we'll see how long that lasts. I don't really see how they can ban him if he's "working" for a fictional publication. He's gone asap if he pretends the Mirror stuff though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Exactly this.The main issues will be in Moscow and SPB. While there are ultras in most other cities, places like Kazan, Samara, Saransk, Yekaterinburg are much more civil. Maybe the cost of visiting Russia may put some hardcore element off but you have hardcore elements Dutch, Polish, etc also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 UEFA now saying they'll ban England and Russia if there is more violence. Surely this just encourages the local French hooligans to ignite stuff even more? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 That can't be good considering both sets of fans are going to be in Lille on Wednesday/Thursday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 UEFA now saying they'll ban England and Russia if there is more violence. Surely this just encourages the local French hooligans to ignite stuff even more? Are they talking about the stuff on the streets or the fighting inside the stadium? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 That's tantamount to inciting others to goad English & Russian people, even a group who are not there for the football would be at risk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Are they talking about the stuff on the streets or the fighting inside the stadium? "The UEFA Executive Committee has warned both football associations that – irrespective of any decisions taken by the independent disciplinary bodies relating to incidents inside the stadium – it will not hesitate to impose additional sanctions on the Football Association (FA) and the Russian Football Union (RFU)' date=' including the potential disqualification of their respective teams from the tournament, should such violence occur again,"[/quote']Here's the statement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Seems unclear to me from the Guardian article about this Uefa has consistently maintained that it can only sanction its members for events that take place inside the stadium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 England fans without tickets have been advised by French authorities to go and watch the match in Lille – where Russia play Slovakia the previous day. wtf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Yeah it seems odd as only Russia were punished for the actions inside the stadium. You also have to wonder why they haven't threatened the French too as their hooligans have been instigating a lot of the trouble in multiple cities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 England fans without tickets have been advised by French authorities to go and watch the match in Lille – where Russia play Slovakia the previous day.wtf That's just because Lens is tiny and can't accommodate that number of people, I believe the FA made the same recommendation. Can't see it ending well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 That's a vanilla statement, just sets out the max penalty but I doubt they'd go straight to the top of the penalty list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Yeah it seems odd as only Russia were punished for the actions inside the stadium. You also have to wonder why they haven't threatened the French too as their hooligans have been instigating a lot of the trouble in multiple cities. And Algeria. They should definitely be kicked out of the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Algeria Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Makes no sense to say England will get kicked out of the tournament, when it was only the Russians who attacked anyone after the match inside the stadium, but if they're also including outside of the stadium then the French should also be getting this warning. Only the French and Russian hooligans have turned up looking for a fight, they're the ones that have been organised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Is there anything that UEFA have done so far in terms of scheduling, organisation, etc that wouldn't be done by someone trying to cause the maximum amount of violence possible? England v Russia in Marseille at 9pm on a Saturday night. England v Wales in Lens and Russia next door in Lille, where the England and Wales fans have been advised to head for alcohols. Incentivising everyone else to attack England and Russia fans in the hope of getting them kicked out.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 You couldn't make it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maple Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Surely France should be stripped of hosting the tournament if they continue to fail to secure the event? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Is there anything that UEFA have done so far in terms of scheduling, organisation, etc that wouldn't be done by someone trying to cause the maximum amount of violence possible?England v Russia in Marseille at 9pm on a Saturday night. England v Wales in Lens and Russia next door in Lille, where the England and Wales fans have been advised to head for alcohols. Incentivising everyone else to attack England and Russia fans in the hope of getting them kicked out.... Have you considered that UEFA were expecting the fans to behave themselves? Easy to look at a schedule after the event Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Have you considered that UEFA were expecting the fans to behave themselves? Easy to look at a schedule after the event Russian hooligans declared how they would fight the English the moment the game was announced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Have you considered that UEFA were expecting the fans to behave themselves? Easy to look at a schedule after the event Have you ever been to Marseille? It's not 'easy to look at the schedule after the event' (overlooking the fact that Lens/Lille haven't even happened yet). I was saying the same thing the other day in a conversation that I didn't understand why that fixture was in Marseille - not claiming any special insight, it was blindingly obvious to anyone with a vague knowledge of European football. A number of people with far more expertise have written about the scheduling. I mean, I'm kinda surprised that the French police/stadium authorities have been so incompetent. The police haven't moved on at all from their tactics of do nothing - do nothing - indiscriminately teargas everyone that were so unsuccessful in 1998. And it's genuinely shocking that, in a country on high alert for terrorism, that Russians were able to get fireworks, flare guns and what was described as 'agricultural explosives' into the stadium unchecked. Even if we accept your argument that UEFA were ignorant enough not to understand the potential of the fixture (which is demonstrably untrue as they had actually categorised it as the highest threat level), events as they occurred on Friday (especially as it became apparant that there were large organised Russian gangs tooled up for trouble) should have meant that the segregation in the stadium itself was immediately reassessed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Considering that they rated the matches at a high risk of disturbances I can't believe that UEFA expected fans to behave themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Russian hooligans declared how they would fight the English the moment the game was announced. And lets not forget Russia have just exited a suspended points ban for the bad behavior of their fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Would it be cynical to suggest there is a political element to the violence with the UK voting remain/leave later this month. Russia have been trying to drive a wedge between the EU countries for a while now & if UEFA throw England out its surely going to lead to a backlash with an increased leave vote. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I really do doubt that being kicked out of a football tournament would affect the thinking of the majority of the population when voting on the EU. Most would just put it down to brainless football fans rather than EU hatred. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 I think it would definitely lead to an increase leave vote. Maybe not massive numbers but would certainly tip a lot of blokes over the edge I imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Germany and Ukraine kicking off in Lille at the moment. Wonder if they will have left before the Russians arrive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiston Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Germany and Ukraine kicking off in Lille at the moment. Wonder if they will have left before the Russians arrive? Russian hooligans were meant to be meeting up to help 'their Ukrainian brothers'. So some are probably already there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobbler Posted June 12, 2016 Share Posted June 12, 2016 Russian hooligans were meant to be meeting up to help 'their Ukrainian brothers'. Is that like when they helped them by annexing Crimea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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