knap Posted February 7, 2016 Share Posted February 7, 2016 Black Night 451 Control FM 18.3.3 PL an EC winners with Lpool and MU FM18.3.3 andFM16.3 BLACKNIGHT451CONTROL.fmf Black Night 451 for 16.3. Tested with OIs as shown below http://www.mediafire.com/download/kiucx06xzydz9b3/FM16.3BLACKKNIGHT451CONTROLTHP85F85A33DOUBLEp99f99a25_36CD2F4E-3B1E-41BE-ACA9-B62C13DFA5A3.fmf Control was used with Will's Tactic League. However, I used Counter with Woking although my preference is to use Standard. Counter appears to work better at Home Control Away. For very difficult Away games try Overload - nothing to lose anyway. There is also a contain SUS tactic. SUS https://www.mediafire.com/?fsc9adn1eos0ww9 Control https://www.mediafire.com/?4789zd24hvj14xs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjcr3529 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 The first of the 2 tactic links does not open up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 Link redone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjcr3529 Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 Link redone Thanks, any tips with this one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 9, 2016 Author Share Posted February 9, 2016 It's a lurk corner set up, but otherwise routine apart from ability to play around with mentalities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tieio Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Complete forward in VNL, that's a big ask. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 That's why I also test in LL. I have never yet had to change my tactics from playing with Spurs or LL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotlandskommun Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 what type of striker u choose in LL? fast or strong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 10, 2016 Author Share Posted February 10, 2016 I usually just use the best scot recommended for all players. Fast is probably better in FM and AM (RL) ST usually work well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark316 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I am using this tactic and it was going well until half way through the season. is there any reason why this happens and what can i do to get back on track? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 Usual mid season - I've also used this tactic with Ebbsfleet, using Control, so well over 200 games of mostly wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark316 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Ah i used Counter and Standard a lot, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark316 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 Hi Guy's I gave this Tactic a try and for most of the season it worked very well, What i did was use counter attack at home and then standard away from home, i hit a rough spell then changed to Knap's stargazing tactic. But here are a few screen shots of my results and final league standings Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark316 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Knap here is an update of me using this tactic, newly promoted to Sky Bet league 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Any interesting/good player buys/free transfers over seasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark316 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Yeah I have found a few decent players for down in the lower leagues, 1)Maddison i very good keeper 2)Ryan Yates CM from Nottingham Forest 3)Otim a striker from Notts Forest. 4) Cory Francis is another new player i signed for this season and he is doing very well for me. 5) I have singed a lot of players but a lot of them are not for my first team at this point in time. 6)There is a leftback called Sunderman i have on loan from Aston Villa, i've just loaned the same players year after year when the teams don't resign them i take them on a free. I pretty much have been looking to the youth players that get let go, and take them, I am pretty much using the same sqaud as i did last season but with a few changes that i had to make as i lost one player. Anybody can feel free to PM me if they want a recommendation for a certain position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark316 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 Here is a picture of my team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted February 24, 2016 Author Share Posted February 24, 2016 Interesting to see star rating. Did you try Dam Busters, as there is also extreme and extreme extra. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark316 Posted February 24, 2016 Share Posted February 24, 2016 I've not tried Dam Busters as of yet but i'm thinking about giving it ago, how do i show you the star Rating again i've forgot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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knap Posted February 25, 2016 Author Share Posted February 25, 2016 Looks like you could use it. Dambuster tested at 157pts Dambuster Extreme 159 pts Dumbuster Extreme Extra was tested against top clubs, so may be better defensively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark316 Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 Do you have the Download link for them pal, if you don't want to put them in here feel free to Pm them too me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 8, 2016 Author Share Posted March 8, 2016 New Black Knight 451 for 16.3. Tested with OIs shown below. http://www.mediafire.com/download/kiucx06xzydz9b3/FM16.3BLACKKNIGHT451CONTROLTHP85F85A33DOUBLEp99f99a25_36CD2F4E-3B1E-41BE-ACA9-B62C13DFA5A3.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pescefesso Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 brillant tactic knap. going very good with my fiorentina. top of the league at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Also have a version with 2 IFs if anyone interested. Last night won away with Ebbsfleet against Mansfield (league 2 side) so looking solid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 It's a lurk corner set up, but otherwise routine apart from ability to play around with mentalities. Hi Knap, sorry if this has been asked already....who takes the corners? Just the best taker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 I never set anyone for set pieces, probably should for pens. Depends on corner set up I've used - latest set up is to far post which would be probably best suited to an inswinger corner taker. A lurker set up maybe outswinger or best passer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Thats great, thanks for replying so fast Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omaxo Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Also have a version with 2 IFs if anyone interested.Last night won away with Ebbsfleet against Mansfield (league 2 side) so looking solid. hey could you share your version with 2 Ifs please? thanks in advance! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 Black dog - IF tactic currently top of league with Ebbsfleet. https://www.mediafire.com/?iuxs2rq78bs7kje Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drevil1969 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 This to me looks very much like how Bilic plays, in terms of roles. DLF(s) He plays either Sakho or Carroll here, and would argue if Carroll is playing changes this to a TM (s) IF(s) This is Payet. He is involved a fair bit (Noble loves to pin the ball to him, bromance!) but West Ham are far from a one man team. This seems about right for him. W(s) For West Ham, Bilic generally plays Antonio or Moses. He has them driving at the defence as well. So not sure if under Bilic he would have him running at defence as a PI (IS that possible?) Maybe have him as a W(a) CM(a) Here is Nobles role, I am not sure if Bilic would have him more as a support role. BUT Kouyate can play here and think the balance would work as a BBM(s), meaning Noble sat deeper. AP(a) Here is Lanzini, and this seems about right. He gets forward and creates problems. Under Slaven he also is expected to get back and defend, as does everyone, including Payet. (ANCHOR) Here I think Bilic sometimes plays Kouyate or Noble. If its Noble I would argue its as a DLP(d) and Kouyate as an ANCHOR WB(a) Here he has the wbs pushing up, so this is spot on I know this has hijacked the thread slightly, but tried to get on another forum and for some reason was banned. Team instructions were Pass into space, Play out of defence, Whippped crosses, Play narrower, Push higher up, Use offside trap, Lower tempo, Prevent GK short distribution. You also played Control and Fluid. (I always get team shape confused!) Billic likes the team to be a team. Defend together and attack together, so not sure if he would use Very Fluid, but think that may be too much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 The final West Ham tactic ended up like this. Just noticed someone won PL 1st season with West Ham with 85pts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
drevil1969 Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Yeah I think that may be the forum where you asked about what players they made and did not get a reply! I am going to have another attempt at WH and use this as a base. I am not sure that the players will do quite what I want them to do, something that is key is how Billic creates overlaps. I am hoping this tactic will see Lanzini and Payet get plenty of the ball (But not too much) and want Noble to be DLP(d) and Obiang/Kouyate as BBM(s) and Song (swap for Lanzini) as AP(a) Do you think that would unbalance the tactic too much? To be clear the changes I am thinking. DM(d) - DLP(d) CM(a) - BBM(s) CM(s) - AP(s) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xrandom Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 Hi, knap, do you have any recommendation on preferred moves for Black Night tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 Sussex was concerned by slow defenders, so I've added Cover DCs and re tweaked the original tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted April 24, 2016 Share Posted April 24, 2016 I'm gonna have a full season with your Flat 442 Dazed and confused and the Black Dog Tactic. Also Fenech has a great UC Tactic that contains very well for the last 10 mins or so. So I'll stick with the three for a season and come back and let you know how things went. Looking forward to a 442 and a 433. West Ham have an abundance of forwards and midfielders so difficult to keep them all happy with just one tactic. BTW Knap. What would you consider your best 433/451 tactic if you had to choose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2016 Author Share Posted April 24, 2016 You can try this one - probably needs a more attacking MC but plays well. The Stomp is also good although Asymmetric. I've changed to OIs to what you sugested a little while ago. https://www.mediafire.com/?i0p0bbj17dc799w Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Edit - I'm going to therefore have a full season with your Flat 442 Dazed and confused and the West Ham Tactic in Post 37. I'm just going to let the Ass Man set the OI's and see how that goes because in FMT it seems that you can't pre set OI's for a tactic, you have to set them before each game, unless I have missed something?! Early showings - 5-0 home v Liverpool, 2-2 away v Palace (2 up and then Kouyate got sent off), 5-1 at home v Trnava, 4-0 home to Bournemouth, 2-1 away at Trnava (used Instant result), 3-1 away at Norwich. Going to experiment with the defensive line in certain situations and see how the tactics play out thought the season and see if it all comes crashing down around Boxing Day as per usual!! Noticed the DL worked well against Bournemouth and Norwich. Callum Wilson usually gives me a hard time when I play Bournemouth with balls over the top for him to run into so after getting away with one or two lowered the DL and took off offside trap and neutralised the over the top threat quite well. I have also found that and two or three striker formation the AI uses can make it difficult especially fast forwards, the problem can be is that we drop deeper and then the famous AI cross comes in. With experimenting I have found changing roles and duties of full/wing backs doesn't help stopping the crosses either so you just have to hope. Will keep an eye on that Boxing Day period because that is when it usually goes down hill for me. I have several theories - **Shorter passing gets bogged down by the weather, although it shouldn't really make a difference at higher levels because pitches IRL are pretty decent all season. **Morale drop is too effective. **Tiredness and a lack of rotation. (Hasn't effected Leicester IRL) **Decision making stat. My biggest bugbear on a sudden lack of form is that when playing well central defenders intercept an awful lot of long balls. When a bad run comes in those same defenders get caught in no mans land too much and there is no rhyme or reason for it. I'll be interested to see how two CB's on cover perform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 Just trying a few more ideas with WH to win league over 38 games. 1st and 2nd attempt at a 424 below. The 2nd looks to have potential, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Updated Black night 451 tactic. Tested with OIs. https://www.mediafire.com/?e6j1h0cg5cisl28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azza2306 Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Mate you have restored my enjoyment in FM16. I was ready to pack up and go back to 15 but thanks to you I can carry on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Quick testing today has indicated that latest tactic Black Night may be better without any OIs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark316 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 I used a tactic that Knap sent me Via pm today to try out, and although it is set as Control, i dropped it to either Standard or Counter depending on who i was playing. I was in a relegation battle and i looked doomed, this would have been the second relegation from the Prem with Chorley Town. I was heading to being labelled a yo-yo club but thanks to this Tactic. these were the results i managed to put togeather. I had 9 games left and i basically asked my assistant to do the OI's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Knap just an update. Nearly finished first season using the Flat 442 Dazed and confused and the West Ham Tactic in Post 37. Must confess actually playing the matches is doing nothing for my blood pressure!!! I just let the Assistant pick the OI's. 6 players in the Top 12 Average ratings with three in the top 4. Jenkinson at number 1 with 8.02, Moses 7.85 and Payet 7.84. Payet top of assists with 14 with Cresswell 2nd with 13. That's a strange one actually because in previous saves Jenkinson at right back has always been top of the assists for me. Sakho, Moses and Valencia with 17, 15 and 14 goals respectively. So good tactics all round so far so thanks, you have restored my enjoyment too. Just hope I can hold on. Man United Away, Newcastle Home, Spurs Home, West Brom Away to go!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 First title since FM09 I think -using the Flat 442 Dazed and confused and the West Ham Tactic in Post 37. Fell over the line a bit at the end and glad I didn't need anything at West Brom in the last game!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 Team lost focus no doubt! The big question is was the West Ham tactic anything like how West Ham play IRL? How did you use both tactics? I also made a 424 from the West Ham tactic that has potential 83 pts with West Ham over 38 games. Congrats now for the dreaded 2nd season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Team lost focus no doubt!The big question is was the West Ham tactic anything like how West Ham play IRL? How did you use both tactics? I also made a 424 from the West Ham tactic that has potential 83 pts with West Ham over 38 games. Congrats now for the dreaded 2nd season. Yeah now it will probably all fall apart!! At least I didn't have the usual fall from grace around Boxing Day. Yep the West Ham tactic did play similar. I tended to use it in tougher games like the two draws against the Manchester Clubs. Was unlucky against City because they didn't have a shot on goal and late on Adrian tripped over his own feet and kicked it straight to Aguero!! At times I also used "retain possession" on the West Ham tactic. Always preferred two up top though. The only issue I had (see the Liverpool, Everton and Bordeaux defeats) were when I went a goal down. As the 442 is a counter tactic it was tough to try and pin the opposition back. Tried changing to control/attack but that didn't really work. One game I did have success by going wider so maybe I'll look at tinkering to make it a more control tactic as well. Payet was Footballer of the Year and Moses Players Player so I got the performances out of the players I wanted to so that is pleasing. Now just got to some how replace Jenkinson as he never wants to come permanently, probably need another centre back and replace Emenike and Song whose loans have run out. Managed to sort a deal for Moses and Lanzini. That's the tough thing with West Ham at end of first season because Moses, Emenike, Song, Jenkinson and Lanzini were all on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 Good to know that the style can be replicated. Not sure if Carroll and a TM tactic is possible. Do you want to try the 424? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sussex Hammer Posted May 2, 2016 Share Posted May 2, 2016 Yeah I'll try the 424, is there a link? Carroll is a funny one. Got him scoring a few as a DLF but not consistent. The WBA defeat both Sakho and Valencia got injured so Carroll and Emenike were playing. I note that I never defend as well when Carroll plays. Be interesting to see if you could make an Allardyce style tactic utilising Carroll at his best but not sure how you could do it. You would probably have to get runners in and around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 2, 2016 Author Share Posted May 2, 2016 How did you find DCs on cover? Looks like this so changed a few positions https://www.mediafire.com/?vzq3fd6ng2jha3m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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