ShaneBailey Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Any tips on a 4-1-4-1 this year? I've had some luck with the below, with the focus on keeping the ball and passing it around the opposition box waiting for an opening, but can't seem to get players forward quickly enough, and my defenders often clear forward to my lone striker, who loses it. GK: FB: S CB: D CB: D WB: S DLP: D WM: A CM: S CM: A WP: S CF: S Control, Flexible, Get Stuck In, Retain Posession, Work Ball Into box, Run At Defence, Whipped Crosses, Slightly Narrow. I thought about going fluid, due to only really having one specialist role. My CM:A doesn't seem to get forward enough, but when i've tried a 4-4-1-1, I don't get enough defensive coverage in the DM area from the DLP: D. I've tried most support roles for the lone striker (except Target Man which doesn't fit what I want), a DLF:S never seems to work, a F9 seems to drop too deep and doesn't get players running beyond. Any thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjericho Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Using an attack duty for the striker may not be a bad idea. I know it looks like he will become isolated, and usually lone forwards are used in support duties. But in the case of the 4-1-4-1, the striker is the only player who can push the opposition defense, thus leaving more space for the midfielders behind him. Why don't you try using him as a DLF/a or CF/a ? Also, you can also give an attack duty to your WB, since his front partner is also on a support duty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannehbai Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 You could try structured/highly structured as those strategies now add more natural depth to your team? I found in my 4-1-4-1 save that becoming more structured helped my attack duties in midfield get support quicker to my striker, however I was playing a counter attacking style of play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsr1982 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'm playing something similar, and support to the forward isn't too much of an issue. The problem(?) with the formation is that you need to build up play slowly. If you lump it forward, your striker is going to be isolated, which it looks like you're experiencing. My first tip would be to play with a Counter mentality. It just seems a more natural fit to the system, and Control encourages quicker ball forward. Your CM/A and your WP/S will occupy the same space. It may well be that your CM/A isn't getting forward to support because his run is blocked by your own player. I'd be tempted to get your WB on an Attack duty as well, to offer a better outlet for your CBs. Maybe try losing a couple of the TIs. Get Stuck In and Whipped Crosses don't seem as though they're needed, especially as, with those roles, most of the crosses will come from the full backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 There's not too much fundamentally wrong with it. I'd go along with a lot of what ajsr1982 suggests. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggiotis Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 My first tip would be to play with a Counter mentality. It just seems a more natural fit to the system, and Control encourages quicker ball forward. How about control + shorter passing + lower tempo ? whats your opinion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyon_Games Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/443357-4-1-4-1-opinions-advice Read this mate, same story Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajsr1982 Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 How about control + shorter passing + lower tempo ? whats your opinion Well it depends what you're trying to achieve. What does control do in relation to counter? - Higher tempo - Play wider - Higher defensive line - More direct passing - More closing down Probably a few others that I can't remember as well. You need to think about how all of those things will impact your style of play and how the opposition will play against it. You can temper some of those by scaling them back, like shorter passing and lower tempo, as you suggested. But what does that leave you with? With a 4-1-4-1, the idea is that you're making yourself very difficult to play through, which suits a low defensive block. Without midfielders in the AM positions, supporting the lone forward, it can be difficult to press high up the pitch - you're asking players to run 20-30 yards to close down instead of 10-15. But if you're not pressing high up the pitch, you're giving their midfielders all the time they need to drop a ball over your (high) defence. In other words, if they can't play through you, then they try to play around you, or over you. By sitting deep, you mitigate the latter. Then, the main threat you have to deal with is crosses, and you can get a very specific type of defender to deal with that (good heading, marking, jumping reach, anticipation, positioning, concentration but they don't need to be quick). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roggiotis Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 so you say that you can't play attacking or even control but only counter with the 4-1-4-1 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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