TAV2 Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 This is what would have happened if Klopp went to Bayern Munich in the summer. Tav's Beta Smasher uploadimage A 4-2-3-1 Highly attacking pressing tactic. Obviously meant for a top team! Key to the success is the top two strikers, they need to both create and score goals. All round monsters needed for these positions. We have torn up the record books in the first half of the season. Over 100 goals scored in all competitions (27 games played!!!) and 10 goals against. This tactic is quite possibly the greatest iv ever made. Had some belters over the years too. I have also created an away tactic. Almost indentical only changes are that the wingers are in the ML/MR slots and its now Control Mentality. Best used in the tough away games or really big home games (Beat Real 6-0 at home using it). League Table uploading pictures Best Players Lewandowski on target for 75+ Goals this season - http://s9.postimg.org/gmkcn3tvj/2015_10_30_00004.jpg Muller his partner in crime - http://s29.postimg.org/y4deizdiv/2015_10_30_00005.jpg The main team statistics so far - http://s1.postimg.org/oiooklg67/2015_10_30_00014.jpg Notable Results Real Smashed 6-0 - http://s29.postimg.org/6tnygp25z/2015_10_30_00010.jpg Bremen 7-0 Away - http://s8.postimg.org/5ddv88sz9/2015_10_30_00011.jpg Gelsenkirken 8-0 Away - http://s13.postimg.org/um54lhj6v/2015_10_30_00012.jpg Results Overall So Far http://s4.postimg.org/ge8ni2cjx/2015_10_30_00008.jpg http://s4.postimg.org/seu3isjyl/2015_10_30_00009.jpg The Tactics Downloads Big Favourite/Need a Goal Tactic Tav's Beta Smasher http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=12083341816351889957 Solid Control Tactic Away Solid http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=49051983785121861016 Tav's Beta Smasher Inverted http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=07344111785221124505 Away Solid Inverted http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=65685283186151824152 More content to follow. Any questions guys then please ask. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 The First Day In The Job This is not a day to celebrate your new job and have a party, no no no, this is the most important day in any new save. Major work and lots of it must be done today. What i do when i start a new game is use the first day to get all the ground work in place. This allows my team to have the longest preseason possible to get fully acquainted with each other and the tactic. The tasks at hand - 1. Evaluate your team and bid for all your transfer targets (even backup targets). Your tactic familiarity actually decreases with every new signing to your team so all bids get done day one. 2. Cancel every friendly game! Then arrange games against absolute trailer trash 3 days apart (starting 3 days from now). If possible try and get 12-14 games in place before start of the season. This will ensure max familiarity by game day 1. 3. Evaluate backroom staff and offer contracts to new staff. Mutualy terminate the rubbish members but always keep your best tactic coach. Even if you are getting rid of him when new staff arrive. Keep him and make sure he is coaching tactics only. 4. Set up your tactic and make 2 copies so all 3 slots are being used. Make sure they are exact so the familiarity increases faster. 5. Go on to team training and remove both rest days. Set match training to tactics and push the slider to far left so its max (50%). I leave the other training on balanced and average. 6. Give each player an individual training regime relative to what you want from them e.g. Lewandowski - Deep Lying Forward. If a player needs a certain attribute improved then specialize on that. 7. Do all the news requirements and get ready for the start of preseason. Always be realistic with season targets at player meeting (say your going to win the league ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Getting the best out of the tactic On the surface the 4-2-3-1 tactic looks like it ticks all the boxes. It gives you extra numbers in midfield, and an attacking shape to fill with the most flair fuelled Brazilians your scouts can find. To get it to work, like any other tactic, you need balance in your team selection. Otherwise you are leaving yourself open for a hiding! I will go through each position and suggest key attributes needed for the roles. Also the importance of players strong foot and PPM's. Sweeper Keeper Needs to have great reflexes, positioning and anticipation. The most essential attribute is Rushing Out, it must be high so he isn't left on his line with a striker through on goal. Wing Back (S) Depending on what foot your Inside Forward favours will determine what side this guy plays on. E.G. Depay for Man U is right footed so should cut in off the left so hes on goal with his stonger foot. This would mean i would play my WB on the left to accommodate this. I would in fact invert the whole tactic (more on this later). If on the left then left footed, right then right footed. Common sense I know but you would be surprised how much it effects how the tactic works. Key Attributes - Positioning, Marking, Stamina, Work Rate, Off The Ball, Crossing and Pace. Full Back (A) Same as WB but a little more emphasis on the attacking attributes. He will assist a lot if he has good passing and crossing. Centre Back (S) Key Attributes - Aggression, Marking, Anticipation, Tackling and Decisions. Centre Back (D) Must not have PPM - Gets Forward when Possible. He must be at home when the invasion comes! Normal every day defender will do the job here. Make sure he is tall, can head the ball and has a little lick of pace about him. This tactic will expose slow defenders so its best to pretend your playing Fifa Ultimate Team here BBM and DLP Just read the descriptions about what their role entails and you will work out what cuts it here. Make sure your DLP doesn't have PPM - Gets Forward when Possible also. He needs to always be furthest back so he is an out ball when your team can't go forward any more. I prefer two footed players for these roles if possible. Adds that extra dimension to your tactic. Both must be good at defending too. All round players are essential. Inside Foward (A) Must be on opposite wing to his strongest foot. No if's, but's or maybe's. Tactic wont work otherwise. Great pace, dribbling, flair needed here. Winger (S) Must be on same wing as strongest foot so he provides that much needed width. Dribbling, Crossing, Pace and Off The Ball are most important. Shadow Striker Good PPM's - Gets Forward, Moves into Channels, Plays One Twos. Bad PPM's - Drops Deep, Passes Before Shooting. Needs to be that unpredictable force in your team that can put the ball into the net. He drives late into the box so cant be left deep. Decisions and Off The Ball are most important here. Deep Lying Forward (S) Think target man here. PPM comes deep is great also. I want this player to be a physical specimen. Tall, Strong and Fast. He must be able to put the ball in the net but also be able to contribute to the build up play. A small pacey striker wont work so don't even try it. He will be your main source of goals but all goals will be different. He needs to have the ability to score all sorts from all angles. Two working feet will make this man your Hero. I can't stress enough of the importance of player's stronger foot. For this tactic to work you need a top team with great physical, mental and technical attributes but also the right pegs in the right holes (Or Left peg in Right Hole if Inside forward ). I would mirror image the whole tactic depending on preferred feet, shifting every position bar the goalkeeper about. Its easy enough to do but I will post a download link if people want it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Reserved 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickZombie Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Looks good I'll give it a try Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 The away tactic has a few more tweaks than I said in OP. Think I changed passing and width also. Still same download link though. Good luck with it. Let me know how you get on buddy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolodavanki Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Gonna try this with Benfica - will report back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeesusChrist Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 I have a question, Could you put a different download link in please, as this tinyupload link isn't working for me? if not Is there anything we need to know i.e. Individual player instructions? OIs? Team Instructions (I can see some but not all). Finally, is this just a top team tactic, Trying a save with Bradford Park Avenue in the Conference North, just want to know if I am wasting my time? Thanks GC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Il put another link up later tonight if it's not working. Sure it was earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 30, 2015 Author Share Posted October 30, 2015 Not tried it out at lower level but I'm guessing it won't really work out. Demands a lot physically and mentally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eye-switcher Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Adjusted it for Barca lost 6-0 to Bilbao, won possession with only 52%-48% so not for everyone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolodavanki Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Lost 4-0 away to Maritimo playing as Benfica. Also 2-2 at home to Vit.Guimaraes. But beat Sporting in their super cup and also Belenenses 4-0. Edit: I am learning the ropes when it comes to FM16 so it might be me, not the tactic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuskalHerria Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 Just ran this tactic. I was Man U and played Stoke at home and they beat me 2-0 and out shot me 21-11 and 8-3 shots on target. 51% possession for Stoke. I will keep testing. Also, I am a bit confused. You said the most important part to this tactic are the two strikers. But, this is only a one striker formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 I'm about to fill the first reserved spot above with info about the importance of pre-season. Been essential for getting tactics working fluidly since FM13 really. No longer is it as simple as plug in and play. Hope it can help some guys out who are struggling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Also, I am a bit confused. You said the most important part to this tactic are the two strikers. But, this is only a one striker formation. I mean the shadow striker also. Sorry if that's confusing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuskalHerria Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 I mean the shadow striker also. Sorry if that's confusing. No not at all, my fault for not realizing that lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 In my second reserved slot I have added what I believe is needed for each role in the tactic. Remember to watch those feet! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolodavanki Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Getting the best out of the tacticOn the surface the 4-2-3-1 tactic looks like it ticks all the boxes. It gives you extra numbers in midfield, and an attacking shape to fill with the most flair fuelled Brazilians your scouts can find. To get it to work, like any other tactic, you need balance in your team selection. Otherwise you are leaving yourself open for a hiding! I will go through each position and suggest key attributes needed for the roles. Also the importance of players strong foot and PPM's. Sweeper Keeper Needs to have great reflexes, positioning and anticipation. The most essential attribute is Rushing Out, it must be high so he isn't left on his line with a striker through on goal. Wing Back (S) Depending on what foot your Inside Forward favours will determine what side this guy plays on. E.G. Depay for Man U is right footed so should cut in off the left so hes on goal with his stonger foot. This would mean i would play my WB on the left to accommodate this. I would in fact invert the whole tactic (more on this later). If on the left then left footed, right then right footed. Common sense I know but you would be surprised how much it effects how the tactic works. Key Attributes - Positioning, Marking, Stamina, Work Rate, Off The Ball, Crossing and Pace. Full Back (A) Same as WB but a little more emphasis on the attacking attributes. He will assist a lot if he has good passing and crossing. Centre Back (S) Key Attributes - Aggression, Marking, Anticipation, Tackling and Decisions. Centre Back (D) Must not have PPM - Gets Forward when Possible. He must be at home when the invasion comes! Normal every day defender will do the job here. Make sure he is tall, can head the ball and has a little lick of pace about him. This tactic will expose slow defenders so its best to pretend your playing Fifa Ultimate Team here BBM and DLP Just read the descriptions about what their role entails and you will work out what cuts it here. Make sure your DLP doesn't have PPM - Gets Forward when Possible also. He needs to always be furthest back so he is an out ball when your team can't go forward any more. I prefer two footed players for these roles if possible. Adds that extra dimension to your tactic. Both must be good at defending too. All round players are essential. Inside Foward (A) Must be on opposite wing to his strongest foot. No if's, but's or maybe's. Tactic wont work otherwise. Great pace, dribbling, flair needed here. Winger (S) Must be on same wing as strongest foot so he provides that much needed width. Dribbling, Crossing, Pace and Off The Ball are most important. Shadow Striker Good PPM's - Gets Forward, Moves into Channels, Plays One Twos. Bad PPM's - Drops Deep, Passes Before Shooting. Needs to be that unpredictable force in your team that can put the ball into the net. He drives late into the box so cant be left deep. Decisions and Off The Ball are most important here. Deep Lying Forward (S) Think target man here. PPM comes deep is great also. I want this player to be a physical specimen. Tall, Strong and Fast. He must be able to put the ball in the net but also be able to contribute to the build up play. A small pacey striker wont work so don't even try it. He will be your main source of goals but all goals will be different. He needs to have the ability to score all sorts from all angles. Two working feet will make this man your Hero. I can't stress enough of the importance of player's stronger foot. For this tactic to work you need a top team with great physical, mental and technical attributes but also the right pegs in the right holes (Or Left peg in Right Hole if Inside forward ). I would mirror image the whole tactic depending on preferred feet, shifting every position bar the goalkeeper about. Its easy enough to do but I will post a download link if people want it. Thanks for this information! So, it basically means that all wingers/IFs should be left-footed? Or if both are right-footed, I can invert the tactic, including the fullback/wingback too? I guess the problem arises if I have one right-footed and one left-footed wide player I want to use in the winger/IF positions. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs-situation eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 The winger and full backs are the only players that give you width. They won't be doing the job right if they have to cut in to use their strong foot. So to get it to work at its full potential you must have this set up this way. If a player is either footed then you're fine to place him anywhere. Just be aware he doesn't have PPM - Avoids using weaker foot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolodavanki Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 The winger and full backs are the only players that give you width. They won't be doing the job right if they have to cut in to use their strong foot. So to get it to work at its full potential you must have this set up this way. If a player is either footed then you're fine to place him anywhere. Just be aware he doesn't have PPM - Avoids using weaker foot. I 100% see what you mean, and I agree, but when your two best players are Gaitan (left-footed) and Salvio (right-footed) and they are both wingers, it makes it hard to leave one out. I will find a solution :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingflooow Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Tried that tactic with Hoffenheim. Get sacked after few months. I respect the foot story, but i think its more imagine than the reality in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maradonna Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Maybe try it with a midtier team before posting it here? Munich is just so superior in player quality in germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Maybe try it with a midtier team before posting it here? Munich is just so superior in player quality in germany. I have said a few times already that it's a top team tactic. Any tactic is only a part of getting the right result. Morale, Team Talks, Press Conferences and Player Fitness are all major variables. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eple Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Very good tactic, thanks for sharing. Creates lots of good chances and nice play. It's vulnerable if the opposition comes at you and think it's better than you though. As for the mid tier argument, I'm currently playing with a mid tier side (Villa, 2nd season, expected to finish mid-table) and I'm doing quite well. When the opposition is coming at me though, I change to the 'Solid away' version and put it on Counter/fluid. Works very well so far. I haven't used it for long tho, but it seems lethal on the counter as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooney_08 Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 always been a huge fan of ya tactics mate , will give this ago , cheers lad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 Inverting The Tactic I have started a test save as Liverpool. Top 8 team with potential, not world beaters yet. I'm going to use Away Solid 90% of the time and only go to Attacking tactic when needing a late goal or in the cup. It is the most competitive league in the world so even at home we aren't safe to attack for 90mins. I maybe didn't make it clear above how important Away Solid is. Until 4 or 5 transfer windows have passed you still wont have the players you need to be the dominate force in your league. Gung-ho will have to wait. First League Game free pic This is how I have set up the team to get the best out of the tactic. Few injuries so of course we will be stronger in the future but for now I'm happy. One signing and a big one. Main man Bolasie in to play as my winger. image hosting 12mb Tactic Download Away Solid Inverted for Right Footed Players - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=65685283186151824152 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 How are you guys getting on with the tactics? I am interested to hear about any success stories and the horror's too. Any suggestions on how to improve/evolve the tactics are welcome also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshiespursboy Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I'll give this a go as I'm struggling with my own lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eple Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 My results so far 2nd season with Villa Used 2nd string team for all cup/europa league games. Fierro did very well in the SS-role until he got a 5 month injury. I've been stating with the attacking tactic in most games, and swithching to soild but using counter and moving the DLP to DM-position when needed. Edit: My run came to an end in typical FM-rage-enducing-fashion: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy Race 9 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I have downloaded files but for some reason they show up as PHP file and not FMF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 If anyone can suggest another free file upload site then il put them up on it later tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 @eple - That's some awesome results so far. Plenty of goals scored Did you use the tactics in your first season too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eple Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 No, I used my own okayish attempt at a tactic. Was struggling to create chances, but it was solid defensively. I only used yours towards the end of the season- Going through a bit of bad patch now (compared to how it was going). My main striker is on a 13 games goal drought and I'm sorely missing Fierro. My current main shadow striker hasn't scored in 5. Still winning most games tho, just the odd frustrating game with 20+ shots and no goals. TAV2, do you have any preferences on preferred foot of the striker and shadow striker? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegatherer Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 just did this with this tactic..i used a similar tactic end of fm15..superb so far.. https://gyazo.com/7eff5c8c8577a135faa2b2585355bb24 keep it up!! cracking tactic..wingers are good so far! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 TAV2, do you have any preferences on preferred foot of the striker and shadow striker? Having a very one footed striker makes him predictable. Defenders can show him onto his weaker foot and a good chance disappears in an instant. Have at least him or your Shadow Striker with a reasonable weak foot. Preferably both if you have the transfer funds. Not tested to see if Left or Right footed players are better. What I do suggest you have though is a highly determined striker on your bench. Maybe not the same quality as your main man but someone to bring on when struggling. An encouraging team talk to a boy 16+ determination will go along way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 Think Solksjaer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 just did this with this tactic..i used a similar tactic end of fm15..superb so far..https://gyazo.com/7eff5c8c8577a135faa2b2585355bb24 keep it up!! cracking tactic..wingers are good so far! Fantastic start to the season mate! You must of prepared well in pre-season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sardinia Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Please if you're going to release a tactic don't use a team that is head and shoulders better than the rest of the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eple Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Not tested to see if Left or Right footed players are better. I could be wrong, but I think my current set up of a right footed striker and a left footed shadow striker (on a reversed tactic) was causing a traffic jam, with them cutting into each others space. I swapped out Lincoln for a right footed player (so I had right footed players all across the entire frontline). It was one who wasn't really suited to the role, but in the first game the attack was looking very different, with the shadow striker popping up in different areas. He got two goals so that bodes well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Please if you're going to release a tactic don't use a team that is head and shoulders better than the rest of the league. I'm showing you what the tactic is capable to do at its Max potential. By season 4 of any team, you should have a squad that is head and shoulders better than the rest of the league. Poor AI transfers and relegations/promotions will ensure the league is yours for the taking. If people are having trouble then feel free to ask questions. Just for Bob Sardinia - post a picture I made no transfers in the pre-season so my team is pretty poor in comparison. Especially my two CB's (Mmemba and Coloccini). Blame them two for goals im conceding as they get beat for pace a lot. Still winning though. A tactic is only a small part of getting the results you want. You have to be good at other aspects of the game especially when playing with a mid-tier team you want to overachieve with. posted image Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eple Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Update on my season Don't really understand the massive difference. Almost like the players where nervous and complacent at the same time. I think it was probably lots of things at faul, like the pressure of the situation, key injures, FM being FM. Goals stopped coming easily. Afobe 16 games without a goal before he got a 4 month injury. Then I got a couple of key players out injured. Gk Rulli being the most crucial one. That horrid run had the opponent team score on every chance, whereas I had to grind out every goal. I switched back to my own tactic for the Everton game and I'm gonna stick with it until order has been restored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 Working on a more defensive minded underdog tactic to complete the tactic set. Will upload it later if people want it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
foe Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Would probably echo what TAV2 has said about this tactic; good if you've got great players. First season as Liverpool, I struggled a bit and had a habit of conceding a lot of goals when I did lose. The start of the season was particularly difficult but managed but a good run in the middle third to take me to 5th. Second season I've upgraded on nearly every starting position and I've been pretty dominant so far Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 That's a lovely squad you have there dude Are you using Away Solid much? I am in my second season as Newcastle and doing pretty pretty good. We finished 8th in first season with only one player signed. Made loads of moves in the summer for second season so hoping for top 4 finish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 NUFC second season and we are on track for a successful year. My new Counter version is doing well so far in the away games. Will keep testing and hope to release it soon. upload gambar Playing Zaza as DLF and Berhaino as my Shadow Striker. 21 Goals between them already Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 The new Yorke and Cole! free jpeg images Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Half way through Season 2 as NUFC manager and I have a team that can challenge. The tactic works when you have the right level of player needed for each role. Its not a Diablo tactic that gives you cheap wins with players that are not good enough. By Season 4 we should have a squad that can mount a serious assault in Europe too. upload a picture 31 goals for my strike partnership now. Zaza injured for 4 weeks though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElMaster Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Away Solid Inverted for Right Footed Players - http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=65685283186151824152 Can you upload the home inverted please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Tav's Beta Smasher Inverted - http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=07344111785221124505 That should be it man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAV2 Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 I have updated the OP with both inverted tactics now. Will add my underdog tactic today if anybody is interested in in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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