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This was my main game last year and I got quite far into it. I have hardly played this years game as I just can't find the motivation, so I am going to give it another go and see what happens. Got a bit of free time over the time couple weeks

 

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2019 Season Review

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I decided to restart this challenge after having a lot of success trying it over the past two years and struggling to get into a game this year. I decided to pick a mixture of some random nations I have never managed in as well as some of the leagues I have had early success in in the past. After six months of unemployment and several unsuccessful interviews, I was offered my first role that excited me. Off to South America I went

Campeonato Nacional Scotiabank: Fresh off a 9th placed finish and with the media expecting us to finish 14th (out of 16), I took over a Cobresal squad that needed a lot of rebuilding. 9 carefully signed players later and we embarked on what should have been a really difficult season. 4 wins and 3 draws in my first 7 league games gave us an early season lift before a shot in the arm  at the hands of Universidad Catolica who gave us our first loss.

What followed was an amazing and unpredictable 19 game unbeaten run that saw us win the title with 3 games, blowing all pre-season predictions out of the water. 19 wins and 7 draws in those 27 games was enough to lead 2nd place by a massive 14 points with three games to spare. It really was an amazing season that was actually pretty close until my two nearest competitors decided to throw away a lot of points in the final third of the season.

We actually lost some really important players half way through the season and many more wanted to leave for a chance at playing continental football (even though we were top). Luckily my club pulled themselves together and stepped up in their absence

Copa Chile MTS: Luckily for us, our impressive league formed carried over into the cup and it was routine all the way to the final, where we faced off against lower league Santiago Wanderers. It was much the same in the final as we scored three first leg goals on our way to a 3-1 aggregate win and a domestic double.

 

Top Goalscorer: With 19 goals each, winger Israel Poblete and on loan playmaker Oscar Hernandez share the honours. Hernandez really stood out, playing a deeper role and scoring free kicks from angles that he had no right to challenge from.

Most Assists: Oscar Hernandez takes this, too, with 11 assists to go with his 19 goals.

Highest Ave. Rating: Not much surprise that this went to Hernandez with a 7.76 rating over 39 games

Most POTM: you guessed it, Hernandez again with 14

 

International: An eventful year on the international front when I snapped up a chance to take over the China under 23s in February. Three wins out of three saw us qualify for the under 23s Asian Cup and I had silverware on my mind. That was until three optimistic applications for the vacant Colombia, Ecuador and Costa Rica posts paid off and three job offers arrived on my doorstep. I decided 13th ranked Colombia was the best match for me and in July I headed off to take up position as head coach.

As things stand, we are four games into our World Cup qualifying campaign and have managed to pick up 10 points against the likes of Brazil and Argentina. With a potentially successful campaign on our hands, and a Copa America to look forward to next year, it could be an eventful few years for us.

 

Next Season Plan: Well what can I say? What a season! We really defied expectations and ran away with the double. We have qualified for the Copa Libertadores, but realistically stand no chance at winning the tournament historically dominated by Brazilian and Argentinean teams. I won’t gain much by sticking around and maybe retaining the league, so I guess I will try and venture elsewhere and head back to South America when a big role in Brazil opens up.

 

Season       Team             Position         Continental         Notes and Achievements     
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2019         Cobresal         1st              n/a                 Won Copa Chile MTS and Manager of the Year

Challenge Progress

Club
1/10 top domestic leagues - Campeonato Nacional Scotiabank (Cobresal 2019)
1/10 domestic cups - Copa Chile MTS (Cobresal 2019)
0/5 club continental championships -
0/1 club world championship -

International
0/5 continental tournaments - 
0/2 world tournaments 

International:
Season       Team                 Notes and Achievements     
----------------------------------------------------------
2019	     China Under 23s	  Qualified for Under 23s Asian Cup
2019	     Colombia			  ---

 

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2022/23 Season - Middlesbrough - English Championship

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Championship - An amazing season, we lead from the front, promotion was wrapped up with 5 games to spare and the league title with 3 left. We absolutely dominated, record points and record goals scored!

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FA Cup - What can I say! We got to the 5th Round where we faced local rivals Newcastle in one of the craziest games ever...final result? 10-2 to Newcastle!

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League Cup - Absolutely incredible, we faced numerous big boys and came out winners. Chelsea, Spurs and Man City dispatched meaning we got to the final.

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Where we faced Liverpool, and somehow we won!!! What a run and this means European football next season. It also means the first trophy ticked off in the challenge.

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Star Men

Hallovic

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Wing

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Ainsley

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Badges/Rep - Continental B Licence gained, A ongoing/ Rep up to 3.5* (Good), an incredible rise.

What Next? - Well Premier League and European Football mean I have to stick around here for at least one more season. Hopefully I can complete my badges and keep my rep increasing.

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0/10 top domestic leagues ()

1/10 domestic cups (English League Cup - Middlesbrough - 2023)

0/5 club continental championships ()

0/1 club world championship

International

0/5 continental tournaments ()

0/2 world tournaments ()

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2019-2020 Season Review

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After a brilliant year in Chile, I decided to pack my bags and head to colder climates in the form of Scotland! I had several offers, but liked the look of Hibs the most. They were still in with a shout of a cup and were sat in 4th spot in the league – although Celtic were 9 points and a game in hand ahead

Scottish Premiership: I started off my Scottish adventure with a 6-1 away win to St Johnstone and followed this up with five straight league wins before being put back in our place by 2nd placed Rangers. This lose, however, seemed to be the kick up the backside that my Hibs squad needed and what followed was quite frankly a miracle. A 18 league game win streak, including 2 wins against Premiership powerhouse Celtic was another to see us lift the title for the first time since 1952! We needed help from Celtic who somehow lost 4 of their final six games to hand us the title with a game to spare

William Hill Scottish Cup: four games played, twelve goals scored and zero conceded set us up for a final against the only team to beat me as Hibs manager – Rangers. An early second half goal saw us take the lead, a lead we held until the 75th minute when we were pegged back. We pushed for a winner but a late Rangers free kick saw us throw away a chance at the double.

Scottish Communities League Cup: Lost to Celtic in the Quarter Final before I joined

UEFA Europa League: Lost to Levski Sofia in the Best Placed Second Qualifying Round before I joined

 

Top Goalscorer: Chief striker, Florian Kamberi finished the season with 16 goals in 40 starts, but its playmaker Steve Mallan who really impressed, scoring 12 goals in 24 games after forcing his way into my team late in the season.

Most Assists: 16 year old scarlet Kevin Ross chipped in with 11 assists from centre midfield to add to his 5 goals. He had a brilliant season and had Spurs sniffing around him before signing a new contract with us

Highest Ave. Rating: as well as scoring 12 goals and six assists, Mallan also finished with a rating of 7,28

Most POTM: Mallan added seven POTM awards to his growing list of accolades that also included Premiership goal of the season, Football Writers Player of the year and Players' Player of the year 

 

International: It has been a bit up and down on the international front after losing back to back World Cup qualifying games, leaving us 5th after six games. On a positive note, I took charge of the under 23s during their Olympic game qualifies and thanks to some good results, will be leading them in Japan shortly. We also have a chance at some silverware in a month’s time when we head to USA for the Copa America

 

Next Season Plan: I am now in a similar situation as last season with my team qualified for Europe but very unlikely to get past the first couple games successfully. I could stick around and try and claim a cup to add to my cabinet, but that seems like a wasted year. I think I will see how my two upcoming international tournaments go and then see where my reputation stands before starting to look for new opportunities

 

Season       Team             Position         Continental         Notes and Achievements     
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2019         Cobresal         1st              n/a                 Won Copa Chile MTS and Manager of the Year
2019/20      Hibernian        1st              n/a                 Lost in Scottish Cup final

Challenge Progress

Club
2/10 top domestic leagues - Campeonato Nacional Scotiabank (Cobresal 2019), Scottish Premiership (Hibernian 2019/20)
1/10 domestic cups - Copa Chile MTS (Cobresal 2019)
0/5 club continental championships -
0/1 club world championship -

International
0/5 continental tournaments - 
0/2 world tournaments 

International:
Season       Team                 Notes and Achievements     
----------------------------------------------------------
2019	     China Under 23s	  Qualified for Under 23s Asian Cup
2019	     Colombia			  ---
2019/20      Colombia             Qualified for Olympic Games

 

Edited by Danny_H22

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2020 Summer Review

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After a brilliant year in charge of Hibs, I had a busy summer ahead of me with my first international tournament with Colombia – the Copa America. We had a tough group with the likes of regular finalist Argentina, Paraguay and Mexico B. Our pre tournament expectations were that we reached the semi final, a task that would require the likes of Falcao and Rodriguez to be on form.

Group Stage

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Group Stage: We opened our tournament against the toughest team in our group, Argentina. I wanted us to get off to a winning start but knew it would be a big ask. The job at hand was made even more difficult when in the 48th minute, one our stars and creative outlets Juan Cuadrado was sent off for a reckless tackle. Despite the red card, and a further four yellows, we managed to hold off the rampaging Messi and co for a vital point.

What followed should have been the easiest game of the group stage and one that would have put us in a great position to qualify if we could collect the three points. We dominated the game, having 15 shots to their 4, but that didn’t stop us from going down 1-0 before half time. In fact, despite continuing to press all second half, it wasn’t until a Jefferson Lerma wondergoal in the 91st that we managed to draw level and collect one more point.

Our final game was against league leaders Paraguay. After out opening two performances, I was worried about our chances and so decided to change formations slightly. James Rodriguez, who so far had been pretty uninspiring playing as an advanced attacking midfielder, was moved further back and asked to act as a deep playing playmaker. This change immediately backfired and Paraguay took the early lead in the sixth minute mark. Much like the last game, we pressed and pressed and struggled to hit the back of the net, despite managing 18 shots. Our task was made even more difficult when a returning Cuadrado was once again sent off in the 70th minute. Luckily for us, the rock of a centre half Davinson Sanchez came to our rescue in the 85th to once again tie the game and rescue a point for Colombia.

We finished third in our group and needed results elsewhere to go our way for us to qualify as best third placed team. I guess luck was on our side, as my former nation of residence Chile lost 3-1 to Brazil in their final game, gifting me an undeserved pass to the next round

 

 Quarter-final

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Quarter-final: Surely our luck would continue as we were matched against a team who had a good amount of recent success against us in the shape of Peru.92,000 people would turn up to find out if a Colombia team playing their third formation of the tournament could finally put in a performance to be proud of. Luckily, Colombia decided to show up that day and Barrios and Sanchez would both score on the way to an easy 2-0 win. Colombia were heading to the semi-final alongside Ecuador, Uruguay and Argentina.

Semi-final

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Semi-final: Hoping to avoid Argentina, the cards aligned for us as we were paired up with Ecuador – arguably the easiest opponent out of those available. Sticking with what worked in the last game, we made zero changes on our way to a very convincing 3-0 win. Quintero putting us one up in the sixth minute with a worldie of a goal. This was followed up ten minutes later by Juan Hernandez before Roger Martinez finally put the game to rest in the 85th. In the other game, an own goal gifted Argentina another final appearance.

Third Placed Playoff

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Third Place Playoff: It took penalties but Uruguay managed to beat Ecuador and claim the least coveted medal.

Final 

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Final: The big game against Argentina arrived and Colombia were hoping to win the Copa America for a second time in their history. You could argue that we didn’t deserve to reach the final, but having already managed a draw against our opponents, we knew that if we played as well as we could, then maybe we could snatch it. I made one big change before kickoff, dropping Falcao who had disappointed me all tournament.

It was an edgy affair and it took until extra time of the first half for the deadlock to be broken when Lerma once again put us ahead. We knew that we would be pushed in the second half, but scoring a second goal should help put the players minds at rest. And that’s exactly what happened when Falcao decided to punish my insubordination by scoring 10 minutes after coming on. It wasn’t over yet, though, as Icardi gave Argentina a slither of hope in the 87th minute when he put one past Ospina – making up for the penalty he missed in the 71st. However, it was too little too late for our opponents and we managed to hold off and secure the 2-1 win and a shiny new trophy.

 

 What Next

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What next: So, that was an eventful tournament and one were we had luck on our side. After drawing all three group games, I was certain we would go out in the next round. Luckily a change of formation worked and we managed to defy expectations and win the whole thing! Before the tournament I assumed that if were to stand a chance of winning it, we would need Falcao and Rodriguez to show up, but it was the bit part players that really won it for us. In fact, both of our star players really disappointed and I don’t think either played a full game.

Colombia are a weird team to manage as on paper they have some really good players but it was really difficult to get the most out of those guys. Chances are they will never be competitive in a World Cup, unless some unlikely prospect steps up over the next two years.

The Copa America final finishes about three weeks before the start of the Olympic Games and I am heading to Japan in the hopes of adding another trophy to my resume. It’s just a shame that I won’t be managing Colombia there…

 

 

Season       Team             Position         Continental         Notes and Achievements     
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2019         Cobresal         1st              n/a                 Won Copa Chile MTS and Manager of the Year
2019/20      Hibernian        1st              n/a                 Lost in Scottish Cup final

Challenge Progress

Club
2/10 top domestic leagues - Campeonato Nacional Scotiabank (Cobresal 2019), Scottish Premiership (Hibernian 2019/20)
1/10 domestic cups - Copa Chile MTS (Cobresal 2019)
0/5 club continental championships -
0/1 club world championship -

International
1/5 continental tournaments - Copa America (Colombia 2020)
0/2 world tournaments 

International:
Season       Team                 Notes and Achievements     
----------------------------------------------------------
2019	     China Under 23s	  Qualified for Under 23s Asian Cup
2019	     Colombia			  ---
2019/20      Colombia             Qualified for Olympic Games. Won Copa America

 

Edited by Danny_H22

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THIRD TIME IS THE CHARM!! I WON CONFEDERATIONS CUP!

 

First attempt with Spain they sacked me before the Confederations Cup because of my "poor" Top4 finish in EURO2024. 2033 I failed with Croatia, but 2037 with Brazil was successful. I was down 2-0 against Italy in the final after the first half, but second half we dominated and turned the game :)

 

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Season       Team             Position         Champs League       Notes and Achievements     
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
16/17	Carlisle              7th Sky Bet League 2	           Lost in playoffs rnd 1
17/18   Carlisle              1st Sky Bet League 2                 Promotion 
18/19   Middlesbrough         2nd Championship                     Promotion
19/20   Middlesbrough         5th Premier League                   EC slot
21/22   New England Revolution MLS                                 resigned
22/23   Orlando Pirates       1st ABSA Premiership                 runner-up in CAF Confederations Cup
23/24   Orlando Pirates       1st ASBA Premiership Won CAF CL      Won MTN8Cup
24/25   Orlando Pirates       resigned in January                  Won Telkom Knockout
25/26   Real Betis            1st Liga Adelante                    Won promotion
26/27   Real Betis            13th Liga BBVA
27/28   Liverpool             6th Premier League                   EC slot
28/29   Liverpool             2nd Premier League                   Won FA CUP & EUROPA LEAGUE
29/30   Liverpool             1st Premier League   Won CL          Won Capital One Cup & Community Shield
30/31   Liverpool             Got sacked in January                Won Club World Cup, Community Shield & UEFA Super Cup
30/31   River Plate           6th Primera Div                      Appointed as a manager in April
31/32   River Plate           1st Primera Div      Won CL
32/33   Celtic                3rd Premiership                      Won Scottish Cup
33/34   PSG                   1st Ligue 1          Won CL          Won Coupe de France & Trophee des champions
2035    Jiangsu               3rd Chinese Super League             CL slot for season 2036
2036    Jiangsu               1st CSL              Won CL          Lost in the Cup final :(
36/37   SPAL 2013             1st Serie B
37/38   Tigres UANL			  season not started yet


International:
Season      Team             Notes and Achievements:
---------------------------------------------------------
2020        Croatia          Won European Championship
2022        Spain            Won World Cup
2024        Spain            Top4 in European Championship, got sacked
2026        Ivory Coast      Group stage 3rd in World Cup
2027        Ivory Coast      Won Africa Cup of Nations
2030        Croatia          Won World Cup
2033        Croatia          Failed in Confederations Cup -> resigned
2035        Brazil           Won Copa America
2037        Brazil           Won Confederations Cup

Challenge Progress 19/33

Club
 5/10 top domestic leagues (ABSA Premiership 22/23/Orlando Pirates, Premier League 29/30/Liverpool, Primera Division 31/32/River Plate, Ligue 1 33/34/PSG, Chinese Super League 2035/Jiangsu)
 4/10 domestic cups (Telkom Knockout 24/25/Orlando Pirates, FA CUP 28/29/Liverpool, Scottish Cup 32/33/Celtic, Coupe de France 33/34/PSG)
 4/5 club continental championships (CAF CL 23/24/Orlando Pirates, Champions League 29/30/Liverpool, Copa Libertadores 2031/River Plate, AFC Champions League 2036/Jingsu)
 1/1 club world championship (2030/2031/Liverpool)

International
 3/5 continental tournaments (European Championship 2020/Croatia, Africa Cup of Nations 2027/Ivory Coast, Copa America 2035/Brazil)
 2/2 world tournaments (World Cup 2022/Spain, Confederations Cup 2037/Brazil)

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2020-2021 Season Review

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So after what has to be considered a pretty good season in Scotland, I grew tired of the cold climates and decided that it was time to find someplace warm again. I shopped myself around for something that excited me but it wasn’t until South African giants Kaizer Chief became managerless after Ernst Middendorp retired that I decided upon my next step towards football management world domination.

I was lucky enough to take over the club before pre-season began so had a complete clean slate to work from. The club were defending champions but they were going through a bit of a transition period with a number of aging players losing a step and all of their stars wanting to jump ship to bigger things. In the end, I shipped out 8 players before the season started and another 5 in January and replaced them with a massive 21 players! Not all were players for now but the ones that were would prove to be real difference makers. The fans weren’t happy as we really did lose some huge players; including club captain Itumeleng Khune who went to Feyenoord for a massive 700k; but by the end of the season, I’m pretty sure I won them around

 

ABSA Premiership: My league season went exactly how I like it and we had the title sewn up with five games to go. Unbeaten until our 16th game, it was pretty smooth running all the way to the title, with the toughest run of results being a back to back draw/lose to title challengers Mamelodi Sundowns and AmaZulu FC. Other than that, we ran roughshod and finished 21 points clear of second place – breaking numerous scoring and win records along the way.

Telkom Knockout: 4 matches, 4 wins and only one goal conceded. A tough quarter-final against Cape Town City nearly saw us knocked out but a extra time penalty from misfiring striker Tokelo Rantie saw us pick up the 1-0 win. We faced rivals Bidvest Wits in the final and was lucky enough to score an early goal and hold out for the unconvincing 1-0 win

Nedback Cup: A first round 2-3 loss to Bidvest ruined our chances of a cup double but freed us up to focus our attentions elsewhere

MTN 8: We made hard work of this whole cup, only managing a close 1-0 in the quarter final before being taken to a replay from our cup sparring partner Bidvest. We managed a 2-1 win in that replay but unfortunately were beaten by Mamelodi Sundowns on penalties in the final.

Be the Coach Challenge: We faced off against Orlando Pirates in this season opener and I got my Kaizer Chiefs career off to a winning start. Goals from Castro, Manyama and Phiri was enough for a very good 3-0 win where we never really looked in trouble.

Orange CAF Champions League: The big one. Qualification was easy with a 10-0 aggregate win in the first round and a 4-2 one in the second saw us grouped with ASC Diaraf, Al-Merreikh and Al-Ahly. It was a tougher group than I’d have liked but the guys did me proud and we won 5 of the six, only dropping points to Al-Merreikh. Next up was league rivals Mamelodi Sundowns and I was confident of securing a result against a team I had beaten several times already. I was right to be confident and we walked away as 4-2 winners over the two games.

We were drawn against the defending champiosn ES Sahel in the semi-finals and I was worried for the first time. Turns out I shouldn’t have bothered worrying and we ran out 7-1 winners with their only goal coming late in the second game. After that convincing win I was less worried about a final against Club Africain and two 1-0 wins was enough for us to life the Champions League and for me to write my name in the history books!

 

Top Goalscorer: Striker Leonardo Castro walked into my team at the start of the season and he never walked out – scoring 29 goals on the way to finishing top goalscorer

Most Assists: Whilst Castro might have picked up the most goals, I was more impressed by new signing Gift Links who assisted 12 and scored 23 from out on the left. He would have challenged for the top goalscorer title if he hadn’t picked up a mid-season injury

Highest Ave. Rating: 250k signing Gift Links paired his impressive season in front of goal with an impressive 7.60 rating

Most POTM: Links again with 8

 

International: Whilst I was busy winning the Copa America, world number 2 Brazil was knocked out in the quarter-finals and promptly sacked their manager. Silly to pass up the opportunity, I applied and was quickly offered the job. It has been pretty par for the course since then and we have won 7 of the 8 games played under my management. We will be heading to the World Cup next year and I have high hopes of winning the biggest trophy in international football

 

Next Season Plan: Well, another season down and another league/cup double completed. That coupled with my Champions League win has made for my best season yet. The only thing left to win would be the World Club Cup but Kaizer Chiefs probably aren’t strong enough to do that. I plan on sticking around for now but will keep a keen eye on the job market this summer

 

Season       Team             Position         Continental         Notes and Achievements     
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2019         Cobresal         1st              n/a                 Won Copa Chile MTS and Manager of the Year
2019/20      Hibernian        1st              n/a                 Lost in Scottish Cup final
2020/21      Kaizer Chiefs    1st              Winners             Won Telkom Knockout. Lost in MTN 8 Final

Challenge Progress

Club
3/10 top domestic leagues - Campeonato Nacional Scotiabank (Cobresal 2019), Scottish Premiership (Hibernian 2019/20), ABSA Premiership (Kaizer Chiefs 2020/21)
1/10 domestic cups - Copa Chile MTS (Cobresal 2019), Telkom Knockout (Kaizer Chiefs 2020/21)
1/5 club continental championships - CAF Champions League (Kaizer Chiefs 2020/21)
0/1 club world championship -

International
1/5 continental tournaments - Copa America (Colombia 2020)
0/2 world tournaments 

International:
Season       Team                 Notes and Achievements     
----------------------------------------------------------
2019	     China Under 23s	  Qualified for Under 23s Asian Cup
2019	     Colombia			  ---
2019/20      Colombia             Qualified for Olympic Games. Won Copa America
2020/21      Brazil               Qualified for World Cup. Lost in Olympic Games quarter final

 

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Mexico. All done in one season!

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There is no cup competition in Mexico? And which league you need to win? I won both Opening and Closing Stages..

Season       Team             Position         Champs League       Notes and Achievements     
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16/17	Carlisle              7th Sky Bet League 2	           Lost in playoffs rnd 1
17/18   Carlisle              1st Sky Bet League 2                 Promotion 
18/19   Middlesbrough         2nd Championship                     Promotion
19/20   Middlesbrough         5th Premier League                   EC slot
21/22   New England Revolution MLS                                 resigned
22/23   Orlando Pirates       1st ABSA Premiership                 runner-up in CAF Confederations Cup
23/24   Orlando Pirates       1st ASBA Premiership Won CAF CL      Won MTN8Cup
24/25   Orlando Pirates       resigned in January                  Won Telkom Knockout
25/26   Real Betis            1st Liga Adelante                    Won promotion
26/27   Real Betis            13th Liga BBVA
27/28   Liverpool             6th Premier League                   EC slot
28/29   Liverpool             2nd Premier League                   Won FA CUP & EUROPA LEAGUE
29/30   Liverpool             1st Premier League   Won CL          Won Capital One Cup & Community Shield
30/31   Liverpool             Got sacked in January                Won Club World Cup, Community Shield & UEFA Super Cup
30/31   River Plate           6th Primera Div                      Appointed as a manager in April
31/32   River Plate           1st Primera Div      Won CL
32/33   Celtic                3rd Premiership                      Won Scottish Cup
33/34   PSG                   1st Ligue 1          Won CL          Won Coupe de France & Trophee des champions
2035    Jiangsu               3rd Chinese Super League             CL slot for season 2036
2036    Jiangsu               1st CSL              Won CL          Lost in the Cup final :(
36/37   SPAL 2013             1st Serie B
37/38   Tigres UANL			  1st Mexican First Div Won CL


International:
Season      Team             Notes and Achievements:
---------------------------------------------------------
2020        Croatia          Won European Championship
2022        Spain            Won World Cup
2024        Spain            Top4 in European Championship, got sacked
2026        Ivory Coast      Group stage 3rd in World Cup
2027        Ivory Coast      Won Africa Cup of Nations
2030        Croatia          Won World Cup
2033        Croatia          Failed in Confederations Cup -> resigned
2035        Brazil           Won Copa America
2037        Brazil           Won Confederations Cup

Challenge Progress 21/33

Club
 6/10 top domestic leagues (ABSA Premiership 22/23/Orlando Pirates, Premier League 29/30/Liverpool, Primera Division 31/32/River Plate, Ligue 1 33/34/PSG, Chinese Super League 2035/Jiangsu, Mexican First Div 2038/Tigres UANL)
 4/10 domestic cups (Telkom Knockout 24/25/Orlando Pirates, FA CUP 28/29/Liverpool, Scottish Cup 32/33/Celtic, Coupe de France 33/34/PSG)
 5/5 club continental championships (CAF CL 23/24/Orlando Pirates, Champions League 29/30/Liverpool, Copa Libertadores 2031/River Plate, AFC Champions League 2036/Jingsu, COCACAF 2038/Tigres UANL)
 1/1 club world championship (2030/2031/Liverpool)

International
 3/5 continental tournaments (European Championship 2020/Croatia, Africa Cup of Nations 2027/Ivory Coast, Copa America 2035/Brazil)
 2/2 world tournaments (World Cup 2022/Spain, Confederations Cup 2037/Brazil)

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@yugularThere is, or at least used to be, a cup competition in Mexico. It's just that some teams aren't in it. Mexico explained I post 3 of thread.

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52 minutes ago, vikeologist said:

@yugularThere is, or at least used to be, a cup competition in Mexico. It's just that some teams aren't in it. Mexico explained I post 3 of thread.

Ok thanks :) Well im not gonna stay in Mexico for the cup anyways. Off to new challenges :) Germany, Italy and Spain at least to go to!

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2023/24 Season - Middlesbrough - English Championship

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It's been a while! I won't go on too much but it's been a pretty good season albeit trophy-less

Europa League - We had an amazing run, eventually losing to Barcelona in the Semis

League Cup - Another semi final loss, this time in extra time to Man City

FA Cup - Yes you guessed it, a 3rd semi final defeat of the season, this time to Liverpool

Premier League - We managed to end in 7th, an amazing finish seeing as we were predicted to end last. In the end we fell away from the top 6 due to our mass fixture backlog at the end of the season

Badges/Rep - Continental A Licence Learned, Pro Licence being studied for. My reputation is now up to 3.5* (Good)

What Next? - I have made a shed load of young signing and we have a really good squad. I need to prioritise one of two competitions next season. A top 6 push is a must as well. I may however keep an eye on a bigger job.

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0/10 top domestic leagues ()

1/10 domestic cups (English League Cup - Middlesbrough - 2023)

0/5 club continental championships ()

0/1 club world championship

International

0/5 continental tournaments ()

0/2 world tournaments ()

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I am still occasionally playing this - will try and get a season update this weekend if I have time.

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I have a dilemma. I have been offered three jobs and don’t know which to take. 

 

1) is a semi-high profile role with a decent squad. League title is possible but would need some luck. Still in the running for a cup and has an easy tie in Europa league

2) is a less high profile role but in a league I need to manage in. Club finished fourth last season and predicted to finish 3rd this season. A very very healthy transfer budget and could probably win the league with a couple tactical signings. In the group stages of their continental cup

3) the top rated club in their league, going into the new season as defending champions. One of a few leagues I could visit in this continent that has a chance of champions league glory. Clubs seems to be struggling financially and lacks almost all staff and the wage budget needed to change that

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2022 World Cup Review

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After two years in charge of world number one Brazil, it was time for the most important summer of my young career. We went into the tournament as joint favourites and I knew we would need to be at our best to get anything, especially with fellow favourites Spain in our group

Group Stage

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We had one of the tougher groups having been paired up against Spain, South Korea and Denmark. Obviously Spain was going to be the most difficult of our matches and unfortunately we had to play them in the first game – giving us no time to gain momentum. Luckily for us, neither did Spain and thanks to an early goal from Jesus and a penalty from Fabinho, we started our campaign with a 2-1 win.

Next up was South Korea who didn’t really put up much of a fight at all. 2 early goals from Coutinho, two from centre back Luiz Felipe and one from wonderkid Rodrygo was plenty to nullify the sole goal from Korea as we strolled to a 5-1 win, setting us up perfectly for a final deciding game against Denmark.

This game proved to be a bit more difficult and despite taking a 2-0 lead within 30 minutes thanks to goals from Jesus and Rodrygo, we were down 3-2 after the hour mark. Luckily, the boys in yellow and blue had enough in the tank and a second from Rodrygo and a last minute winner from Allan saw us claim a clean sweep in the groups

 

Second Round

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Topping the group was enough for us to bypass some of the more tougher teams in tournament as we were matched against Austria. I went into the group confident and was sure we would run out easy victors. I was wrong and it took an extra time goal from Jesus to put us into the next round. A round where we would have to perform better than that to continue our march towards the final

Quarter Final

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Our reward for beating Austria was a very tough match against Germany. In form striker Jesus gave us the lead after 5 minutes but that didn’t last long as Sane scored a beautiful sole goal 9 minutes later. Our heads must have dropped as 9 more minutes later we were down 2-1 and suddenly things didn’t look too good for us. Until Coutinho levelled the game, that is. After that it was plain sailing with Jesus bagging his second after half time before completing his hat trick in the 90th to set us up for a semi final showdown. Unfortunately, the hat trick performance would be the final game of Jesus’ World Cup as he picked up a minor injury that would rule him out

Semi Final

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Facing Italy in the semi final was never going to be easy and we really did make it hard work in a really good game for the neutrals. In the 12th minute, Firmino – who was only in the starting line up as a replacement for the injured Jesus-  decided to put the ball into his own net to give Italy the early lead. A lead they doubled just before half time thanks to Bernardeschi. Luckily for us, our luck hadn’t fully ran out and Rodyrgo put away a penalty followed by a 45th minute equaliser to make my half time talk slightly easier.

The second half may have featured less goals, but it was no less action packed and I was sure we were destined to lose when the ref awarded Italy a penalty in the 85th. I was wrong to count our chickens and despite his impressive World Cup performance, Pellegri couldn’t convert the spot kick, putting it right into Edersons hands and ensuring the game would go another 30 minutes. We went into the extra time period with a man advantage after Chiesa picked up an injury so we looked to exploit the space and play a bit wider, but in the end it didn’t matter as Davide Calabria fluffed a clearance right into his own net and gifted us a ticket to the final!

 

Final

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The Final against USA would prove to be fairly anticlimactic when compared to the previous two games, but that didn’t bother me. It didn’t take long for us to take the lead when Douglas Costa proved he was a fitting replacement for the injured Coutinho by firing us into the lead. A lead doubled by Rodrygo with ten minutes to go. A brief moment of concern was had when Romain Gall scored with USA’ s first shot on target with five minutes left, but we held on with ease to lift the most coveted trophy in world football!

 

What Next

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I took the Brazil job for one simple reason, the World Cup, and now that we won that I have no reason to stick around. I have already won the Copa and the Conferations Cup is so far away so I might as well move on and keep picking up trophies. Luckily for me, a lot of good looking international jobs became available after the World Cup and I didn't have much issue finding a new challenge - a challenge in the shape of Mexico and the upcoming Gold Cup

 

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Having slogged away at the San Marino challenge for the last 2 FM's I need a break and really enjoyed my last attempt at this.

League/Game Set Up

Manager Profile

I am going to start my save in Asia/Africa as I had a lot of success this way last time around. As the save progresses I will remove leagues no longer needed whilst adding leagues that I plan on heading to. I will add a few leagues from the region I want to manage in next to add some competition in the Continental Comps etc.

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Appointment

My first role will be with South African first division side Uthongiathi. Founded in 2000 the club have never played football at a level higher than the current division. Sat 15th when I took over with 11 games to go, a win in our first game see's us sat in 15th. The boards expectations are a mid table finish. 

League Table

Appointment

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Crispypaul
VfB Stuttgart
1. Bundesliga
2028/29

League - Table | Fixtures 1| Fixtures 2 - another great season as we retained the title.

Champions League - Table | Fixtures - had a very comfortable group stage (including a tonking of Man City at home).  Then an astonishing defeat of Real Madrid was followed by a closer defeat of fellow German side Schalke.  Next up was Man Utd whom although we drew at home we got a good win at Old Trafford, setting up an all German final against RB Leipzig.  Sadly, we couldn't take the next step and RB ran out winners.

Cup - Fixtures - usual defeat of lower league opposition in the first round.  We then had a relatively straightforward run to the final where we beat Schalke 3-0.

Finances - comfortable

Transfers - Dirk Adlon and Sebastian Olivera went for huge money in the summer so I quickly purchased some replacements and upgraded a couple of other areas.

Key players - 

Pintado - young Brazilian left winger brought in to improve that side.  Had a great goalscoring season too.

Mario Billinger - signed a new contract and continued to be our key centre half

Diego Facchin - I needed another centre half after Adlon left and the Roma centre back fit the bill.

Laureano Dominguez - I paid good money for the Argentinian winger and he performed excellently

Cesar - our new keeper.  Yes another Brazilian!

Andreas Frischnekct - another prolific season from the striker

Luiz Felipe - Brazilian forward slotted in beside Firschnekct

 

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England
2028/29

Nations League 2028 - Fixtures | Table - after winning 3 out of 3 (including away to Spain) I thought we would have a good chance of the finals but collapsed at home to Spain who just sneaked past us in the end.

World Cup 2030 qualifying - Fixtures | Table - easy, including a thumping 12-0 over Gibraltar.  

 

Domestic
Season	 Team			Division		Position			Notes						
2019     Home United             S-League	          1st          		   Cup, League Cup, AFC Cup winners, National B licence
2020	Deportes Santa Cruz	Chilean Primera B 	  1st				Promoted
2021	Deportes Santa Cruz	Chilean Primera  	  3rd				Cup Winners, Qualified for Copa Libertadores, Continental B
2022	Deportes Santa Cruz     Chilean Primera             1st				Cup Winners, Copa Libertadores Knockout, Continental A
2022/23  Pumas		          Mexican Premier Division     1st		Apertura and Clasura Winners, CONCACFA CL winners, Continental Pro
2023/24  Maritzburg Utd      South African Premier Division  1st    		MTN8, Telkom, Nedbank Cup Winners
2024/25  Maritzburg Utd      South African Premier Division  1st            MTN8, Nedbank Cup, African CL Winners
2025     Ulsan               K-League 1                      3rd            Joined 20th July 2025, KFA Cup Winners
2026     Ulsan               K-League 1                      1st            ACL, KFA Cup Winners
2026/27  VfB Stuttgart       1. Bundesliga                   15th
2027/28   VfB Stuttgart       1. Bundesliga                   1st      
2028/29   VfB Stuttgart      1. Bundesliga                    1st           Cup winners, CL finalist

International
Year	   Team					Achievements
2023/24	   Cameroon				African Nations Championship winners, AFCON qualifying group stage
2024/25    Cameroon             		AFCON Runners Up, Resigned 
2026/27    Iran                               Asian Cup Winners
2028/29    England

Challenge Progress

Club
 6/10 top domestic leagues (Singapore, Home United, 2019; Chile, Deportes Santa Cruz, 2022; Mexico, Pumas, 2022/23; South Africa, Maritzburg Utd, 2023/24; South Korea, Ulsan, 2026; Germany, VfB Stuttgart, 2027/28)
 5/10 domestic cups (Singapore, Home United, 2019; Chile, Deportes Santa Cruz, 2021; South Africa, Maritzburg Utd, 2023/24; South Korea, Ulsan, 2025; Germany, VfB Stuttgart, 2029)
 3/5 club continental championships (CONCACAF, Pumas, 2022/23; CAF, Maritzburg Utd, 2024/25; AFC, Ulsan, 2026)
 0/1 club world championship

International
 1/5 continental tournaments (Asia, Iran, 2027)
 0/2 world tournaments 

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I decided to move on to pastures new and was offered the Spurs job - obviously I couldn't turn it down so am the new Spurs manager!

Finished in a very disappointing 9th place and the trophy cupboard is barer than I would have liked so looking forward to turning that around.

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What a dissapointment :(

After successful season in Mexico I took the Mexico National Team to World Cup. We were bad and I got fired! There goes my easy chance to win the Gold Cup. Now I pretty much have to either wait a long time and get another shot with Mexico or maybe USA/Canada/Jamaica? Has anyone else succeeded with any other team? Or what teams are even possible to get hired to?

 

Well since Mexico was finished I took a short few months long gig in my home country Finland where I helped JJK to win the Ykkönen and get back into the top flight. I didn't renew my contract after the season and now I am currently unemployed. Also my reputation is down to 55% which is odd.. Maybe because I took a job in such a low division?

 

Season       Team             Position         Champs League       Notes and Achievements     
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16/17	Carlisle              7th Sky Bet League 2	           Lost in playoffs rnd 1
17/18   Carlisle              1st Sky Bet League 2                 Promotion 
18/19   Middlesbrough         2nd Championship                     Promotion
19/20   Middlesbrough         5th Premier League                   EC slot
21/22   New England Revolution MLS                                 resigned
22/23   Orlando Pirates       1st ABSA Premiership                 runner-up in CAF Confederations Cup
23/24   Orlando Pirates       1st ASBA Premiership Won CAF CL      Won MTN8Cup
24/25   Orlando Pirates       resigned in January                  Won Telkom Knockout
25/26   Real Betis            1st Liga Adelante                    Won promotion
26/27   Real Betis            13th Liga BBVA
27/28   Liverpool             6th Premier League                   EC slot
28/29   Liverpool             2nd Premier League                   Won FA CUP & EUROPA LEAGUE
29/30   Liverpool             1st Premier League   Won CL          Won Capital One Cup & Community Shield
30/31   Liverpool             Got sacked in January                Won Club World Cup, Community Shield & UEFA Super Cup
30/31   River Plate           6th Primera Div                      Appointed as a manager in April
31/32   River Plate           1st Primera Div      Won CL
32/33   Celtic                3rd Premiership                      Won Scottish Cup
33/34   PSG                   1st Ligue 1          Won CL          Won Coupe de France & Trophee des champions
2035    Jiangsu               3rd Chinese Super League             CL slot for season 2036
2036    Jiangsu               1st CSL              Won CL          Lost in the Cup final :(
36/37   SPAL 2013             1st Serie B
37/38   Tigres UANL			  1st Mexican First Div Won CL
2038    JJK                   1st Ykkönen (Finland)


International:
Season      Team             Notes and Achievements:
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2020        Croatia          Won European Championship
2022        Spain            Won World Cup
2024        Spain            Top4 in European Championship, got sacked
2026        Ivory Coast      Group stage 3rd in World Cup
2027        Ivory Coast      Won Africa Cup of Nations
2030        Croatia          Won World Cup
2033        Croatia          Failed in Confederations Cup -> resigned
2035        Brazil           Won Copa America
2037        Brazil           Won Confederations Cup
2038        Mexico           Got sacked due to poor World Cup

Challenge Progress 21/33

Club
 6/10 top domestic leagues (ABSA Premiership 22/23/Orlando Pirates, Premier League 29/30/Liverpool, Primera Division 31/32/River Plate, Ligue 1 33/34/PSG, Chinese Super League 2035/Jiangsu, Mexican First Div 2038/Tigres UANL)
 4/10 domestic cups (Telkom Knockout 24/25/Orlando Pirates, FA CUP 28/29/Liverpool, Scottish Cup 32/33/Celtic, Coupe de France 33/34/PSG)
 5/5 club continental championships (CAF CL 23/24/Orlando Pirates, Champions League 29/30/Liverpool, Copa Libertadores 2031/River Plate, AFC Champions League 2036/Jingsu, COCACAF 2038/Tigres UANL)
 1/1 club world championship (2030/2031/Liverpool)

International
 3/5 continental tournaments (European Championship 2020/Croatia, Africa Cup of Nations 2027/Ivory Coast, Copa America 2035/Brazil)
 2/2 world tournaments (World Cup 2022/Spain, Confederations Cup 2037/Brazil)

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@yugular You will probably never be offered the Mexico job again, so you'll need to win it with USA. I think people have won it with Jamaica. Maybe I did once, but obviously USA is your best remaining chance.

 

You can see which nations are ',manageable' by looking at the job security page. nations can disappear from this late in a save due to insufficient players, which can of course sometimes be offset by adding domestic  leagues.

With N America, Asia, maybe S America, it is entirely possible to run out of viable nations to win a competition with, and thus not be able to complete the challenge. Happened to me with Asia when I had just 2 landmarks left to get.

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2022 Season Review

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I took over Kaizer Chiefs when they were riding high from winning the league, but having to replace a lot of players who had moved on. I left them 18 months later with them having reclaimed the league and added cup & Champions League trophies to the cabinet. When I walked away on 13th January, Kaizer Chiefs were sitting atop of the league and had snatched the CAF Super Cup away from league rivals Bidwist. Naturally, my replacement couldn’t replicate what I had done and they sunk to a 4th place finish – it didn’t help that they decided to bench the clubs best striker. I guess it was always going to be difficult to replace the 16th most successful manager to ever work in Africa.

For me, it was time to up sticks and head to my fourth continent and Chinese club Jiangsu Suning were my destination. The club were predicted to finish 4th but had a £40m warchest to push for the top spot – so it was a handsome proposition for me. It took a while to get used to the new rules (100% tax on marquee signings, limit to over 21 year old Chinese signings), but in the end it proved to be a wise move

 

Chinese Super League: We started as 4th favourites but we soon claimed the top spot for our own as we laid wake to everyone who stood in our way. That was until  October when a run of three games with no wins saw us drop to 3rd, with Guoan and defending champions Evergrande overtaking us. It was neck and neck (and neck) between the three of us until the final three games, where a 3-2 win over Guoan saw them dip out of the race. Unfortunately, and perhaps undeservedly, we would concede the league by drawing the final two games; allowing Evergrande to claim back to back league wins.

 Chinese FA Cup: This one wasn’t so difficult, with a great run of performances right up until  the final where we faced Shanghai Shenhua in what should have been an easy cup victory. We made it hard for ourselves by letting Shenhua claim a 2-1 win in the first leg, needed a stroke of luck to even get the consolation goal. The second leg was no less nerve-racking, where even an early goal from Liu Ruofan wasn’t enough to stop the rampaging Shenhua who scored two more to lead 4-2 on aggregate. However, sometimes luck goes your way and Ruofan chipped in with another in 87th before centreback Zhunyi scored a header in the 94th to make us champions by away goals.

Chinese FA Super Cup: It is always nice to start your reign with a trophy and that is exactly what we didn’t do when we matched up against Evergrande who took the 1-0 win with a 39th minute goal.

AFC Champions League: Whilst winning the league would have been nice, this was the competition I really wanted to win. We got off to a perfect start; winning all of our group games before finally being knocked down to earth by Melbourne Victory when they put two past us during a busy 7 minutes that also saw them have a player sent off. With luck on our side once again, the second leg couldn’t have been any more of a polar performance as Liu Ruofan scored three goals to put us into the next round.

The quarter final saw us face another team from Melbourne – this time City being our opponents. The first leg went slightly better than against their neighbours, as a late goal secured the home draw, but it turns out we really like a trip down under as evidenced by the two goals that gave us a 3-1 aggregate win and a place in the semi-finals. In what had almost become tradition, we faced off against our third Australian team in a row – this time in the form of Western Sydney Wanderers. Our trip down under proved to be much more of a boring affair this time, as we only managed to snatch a 0-0 draw in front of our 312 travelling fans, but back at home we proved to be too strong and picked up the 2-1 win despite playing 45 minutes a man down.

After the three tough Australian games it was nice to play someone a bit different and Iranian team Sepahan fitted that bill perfectly. After facing three of the most difficult teams in the competition, playing Sepahan in the final seemed almost anti-climatic, but maybe they would surprise me and take advantage of our lack of concentration. They didn’t. Two goals from Alex Teixeira and one from summer signing Oxlade-Chamberlain gave us an easy 3-0 win before goals from Jin Jingdao, Erpan and two more from the Ox saw us win 7-0 on aggregate.

 

FIFA Club World Cup: Entering off of the back of our Champions League win, I was keen to top the 3rd place finish I had achieved the year before with Kaizer Chiefs. Unfortunately, despite beating Auckland in the first game, we were downed by Man City who put six past us. The third placed playoff wasn’t much better as Flamengo beat us on penalties to relegate us to 4th place

 

Top Goalscorer: Signed for £3.5m from Shandong Luneng, striker Lio Ruofan repaid that faith by scoring 21 goals in 27 starts. Honourable mention to winger Oxlade-Chamberlaine who chipped in with 15 goals

Most Assists: Not too surprising that playmaker Alex Teixeira takes the crown with 16 assists and 12 goals. Another honourable mention goes to the Ox who had 15 assists

Highest Ave. Rating: Another one for Teixeira who finished with a 7,41

Most POTM: Three in a row for Tex, who managed 9 POTM awards

 

International: As per my last post, I guided Brazil to another World Cup victory before leaving to take over at Mexico. It is definitely a much harder challenge, but we have a chance at Gold Cup glory in six months so that is what we are focused on

 

Next Season Plan: Despite a cup and continental double, I am really annoyed that we lost the league from such an advantageous position. I have applied for two interesting jobs but I might have to stick around just to make up for the league slip-up

 

Season       Team             Position         Continental         Notes and Achievements     
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2019         Cobresal         1st              n/a                 Won Copa Chile MTS and Manager of the Year
2019/20      Hibernian        1st              n/a                 Lost in Scottish Cup final
2020/21      Kaizer Chiefs    1st              Winners             Won Telkom Knockout. Lost in MTN 8 Final
2021         Kaizer Chiefs     -                 -                 Left 13th Jan '22 with the club top of the league. Won CAF Super Cup & MTN 8
2022         Jiangsu Suning   2nd              Winners             Won Chinese FA Cup.

Challenge Progress

Club
3/10 top domestic leagues - Campeonato Nacional Scotiabank (Cobresal 2019), Scottish Premiership (Hibernian 2019/20), ABSA Premiership (Kaizer Chiefs 2020/21)
3/10 domestic cups - Copa Chile MTS (Cobresal 2019), Telkom Knockout (Kaizer Chiefs 2020/21), Chinese FA Cup (Jiangsu Suning 2022)
2/5 club continental championships - CAF Champions League (Kaizer Chiefs 2020/21), AFC Champions League (Jiangsu Suning 2022)
0/1 club world championship -

International
1/5 continental tournaments - Copa America (Colombia 2020)
1/2 world tournaments - World Cup (Brazil 2022)

International:
Season       Team                 Notes and Achievements     
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2019	     China Under 23s	  Qualified for Under 23s Asian Cup
2019	     Colombia			  ---
2019/20      Colombia             Qualified for Olympic Games. Won Copa America
2020/21      Brazil               Qualified for World Cup. Lost in Olympic Games quarter final
2022         Brazil               Won World Cup
2022         Mexico               ---

 

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14 hours ago, vikeologist said:

@Danny_H22 Welcome to the peak of human achievement that is the Challenge leaderboard. 

It’s an honour. I’d like to thank my parents and siblings and all the cheap centre forwards who have gotten me to this point 

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