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Football Manager 2016 Announcement: Release Date and New Features #FM16

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Really starting to like the new features. The small details will make the game a much better expereience.

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When the beta will be available?

Read through the posts buddy,especially post number 295

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When the beta will be available?

It will be available as soon as they release it

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There's no chance an editor isn't going to be included in any release of FM now. The big announcement I'm waiting for is the ability to use edited and custom databases in FMC mode.

No chance, FMC is SIs attempt at a Micro Transaction cash grab, if you can just edit your club to be rich at the start there's much less incentive to pay them for extra cash in game, same for all the other little cheats you can pay for.

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When the beta will be available?

i expect tomorrow evening or friday. maybe not, but it's been like this past few years so..

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No chance, FMC is SIs attempt at a Micro Transaction cash grab, if you can just edit your club to be rich at the start there's much less incentive to pay them for extra cash in game, same for all the other little cheats you can pay for.

Except that isn't true at all. If you hadn't noticed, the 'what would you do with an editor' thread in the FMC has SI's attention (as did all the others) and they did listen to the feedback there.

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That doesn't change the fact that it's been used as a cash grab so far :brock: FMC is a freemium game packaged in to a £30 product ala FIFA UT, if they include an editor in this version of FM then that'd be great but it doesn't change the past.

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That doesn't change the fact that it's been used as a cash grab so far :brock: FMC is a freemium game packaged in to a £30 product ala FIFA UT, if they include an editor in this version of FM then that'd be great but it doesn't change the past.

Come on...if you can't see difference between FUT and FMC, then you're blind. FUT, like you say, is a massive cash grab. It's become a very lucrative business, because it's small amounts that you can pay regularly for to give you a boost. It's a replacement for grinding. FMC is nowhere near as bad. Not that I'm defending it - I hope that this is the extent of them dipping their toes into microtransactions - but to compare something where you spend x amount on an unlockable that's yours to keep, to something like FIFA that becomes a glorified slot machine is a bit much.

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The beta's going to be released this weekend isn't it? I've got a bloody wedding to go to :thdn:

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No one knows. It can be today, tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and so on. It depends when the beta will be ready, the people who only knows that, are the people at SI.

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No one knows. It can be today, tomorrow, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and so on. It depends when the beta will be ready, the people who only knows that, are the people at SI.

And also important to note that they probably don't even know. The only time they'll really know an exact time for it to be released will be when they're making it release through Steam. They'll be working right up to the wire, hence why they don't give a date.

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I'm away this weekend too so praying for a release tonight or tomorrow so I can have a play around before the weekend. If not will just have to wait.

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If you order through Steam after the Beta is released will you still get access to it before the full game comes out?

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I'm away this weekend too so praying for a release tonight or tomorrow so I can have a play around before the weekend. If not will just have to wait.

same here :( we want, we need that beta version tomorrow :thup:

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I guess it's a sign that the beta will be around any time between now and friday. :)

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But his pace is 20.....I think it's totally accurate as there's a big difference between acceleration and pace

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Still didn't make the ball more visible in 3d matches..sometimes it is really hard to follow the ball, especially during sunny weather.

Must admit, I was squinting a bit the other day trying to find it on one of the video's. Would get a thumbs up from me. :thup: (Not bigger, just brighter).

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Have to agree with this actually. Might just be the time of day it was or the youtube video, but the one last linked above I struggled to see the ball when it was being passed. Looks a lot better in other videos though.

Yeah, it was the passing/crossing video that had me peering looking for the ball.

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Cheers buddy,im like kid at xmas probably like everyone else :D

I'm even more keen that most because I continued playing FM14 al the way through and only had a little look at FM15 when it was on sale a month or so ago.

So my Christmas only comes round once every 2 years! :lol:

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But his pace is 20.....I think it's totally accurate as there's a big difference between acceleration and pace

Of course there is, acceleration I guess means how much a player needs to get top speed. Considering that he needs much time, is hilarious. Ronaldo made a 25 meters speed test in 2011 against the spanish champion sprinter, this one made a time of 3,31 seconds, Ronaldo made 3,61 seconds.

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If you order through Steam after the Beta is released will you still get access to it before the full game comes out?

I'm not 100% on this but I think so yes. The wording says a pre-order, (so any digital order by partners before the main release should come with the Beta), but please check for an official response.

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Of course there is, acceleration I guess means how much a player needs to get top speed. Considering that he needs much time, is hilarious. Ronaldo made a 25 meters speed test in 2011 against the spanish champion sprinter, this one made a time of 3,31 seconds, Ronaldo made 3,61 seconds.

You do realise that was four years ago don't you.

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Of course there is, acceleration I guess means how much a player needs to get top speed. Considering that he needs much time, is hilarious. Ronaldo made a 25 meters speed test in 2011 against the spanish champion sprinter, this one made a time of 3,31 seconds, Ronaldo made 3,61 seconds.

4 years is a long time....ask any athlete

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Guy is turning 31 in a few months. Pace 20 is already very high for this age.

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Of course there is, acceleration I guess means how much a player needs to get top speed. Considering that he needs much time, is hilarious. Ronaldo made a 25 meters speed test in 2011 against the spanish champion sprinter, this one made a time of 3,31 seconds, Ronaldo made 3,61 seconds.

I haven't completely made up my mind about this yes but.....

1. I was more surprised by other attributes if I'm honest.

2. The comparison you give above means that Ronaldo is actually 11% slower over 25 metres. As someone with an athletics background, that sort of margin over that sort of distance is actually on the huge side of enormous.

If you multiply 25 metres by 4 to get 100m, and then you do the same to the margin, (0.30 seconds x 4), you get 1.2 seconds over 100m.

To put that in perspective, if Ronaldo had run in the 2012 London Olympic 100m Final, (that Bolt won in 9.63 seconds after a very poor start), then Ronaldo would not even have been on your TV screens when Bolt crossed the line. He would have been so far behind that he would have been out of the picture! Literally!

Your suggestion that .30 of a seconds over 25m is a small amount of time, is quite frankly... Im trying to be polite here so I am diluting my words... It's just very wrong. Far from it being a small gap. It's enormous!

I haven't decided either way if I agree with the acceleration thing, (I haven't seen enough of him recently to make up my mind), but as long as it is like that on purpose because the researcher has thought it was accurate, (quite a strong statement), then I am prepared to at least look at it with an open mind.

When I think of Ronaldo I think of him already in full-flight. I don't envisage him accelerating rapidly from a standing start, (but then again I'm not sure I think of many quick players like that. I would suggest that the likes of Suarez for example has better acceleration than ROnaldo, but a poorer top speed.

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I haven't completely made up my mind about this yes but.....

1. I was more surprised by other attributes if I'm honest.

2. The comparison you give above means that Ronaldo is actually 11% slower over 25 metres. As someone with an athletics background, that sort of margin over that sort of distance is actually on the huge side of enormous.

If you multiply 25 metres by 4 to get 100m, and then you do the same to the margin, (0.30 seconds x 4), you get 1.2 seconds over 100m.

To put that in perspective, if Ronaldo had run in the 2012 London Olympic 100m Final, (that Bolt won in 9.63 seconds after a very poor start), then Ronaldo would not even have been on your TV screens when Bolt crossed the line. He would have been so far behind that he would have been out of the picture! Literally!

Your suggestion that .30 of a seconds over 25m is a small amount of time, is quite frankly... Im trying to be polite here so I am diluting my words... It's just very wrong. Far from it being a small gap. It's enormous!

I haven't decided either way if I agree with the acceleration thing, (I haven't seen enough of him recently to make up my mind), but as long as it is like that on purpose because the researcher has thought it was accurate, (quite a strong statement), then I am prepared to at least look at it with an open mind.

When I think of Ronaldo I think of him already in full-flight. I don't envisage him accelerating rapidly from a standing start, (but then again I'm not sure I think of many quick players like that. I would suggest that the likes of Suarez for example has better acceleration than ROnaldo, but a poorer top speed.

Fair enough, the issue is acceleration and this is measured in a small amount of space, like 25 meters. I don't know about you, but for me someone that is not a sprinter and makes 3.61 in 25 meters, it has to mean he has a strong acceleration not a standard 12 attribute. But then again that test was in 2011, not 2015 :) but I still think its very low.

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I haven't completely made up my mind about this yes but.....

1. I was more surprised by other attributes if I'm honest.

2. The comparison you give above means that Ronaldo is actually 11% slower over 25 metres. As someone with an athletics background, that sort of margin over that sort of distance is actually on the huge side of enormous.

If you multiply 25 metres by 4 to get 100m, and then you do the same to the margin, (0.30 seconds x 4), you get 1.2 seconds over 100m.

To put that in perspective, if Ronaldo had run in the 2012 London Olympic 100m Final, (that Bolt won in 9.63 seconds after a very poor start), then Ronaldo would not even have been on your TV screens when Bolt crossed the line. He would have been so far behind that he would have been out of the picture! Literally!

Your suggestion that .30 of a seconds over 25m is a small amount of time, is quite frankly... Im trying to be polite here so I am diluting my words... It's just very wrong. Far from it being a small gap. It's enormous!

I haven't decided either way if I agree with the acceleration thing, (I haven't seen enough of him recently to make up my mind), but as long as it is like that on purpose because the researcher has thought it was accurate, (quite a strong statement), then I am prepared to at least look at it with an open mind.

When I think of Ronaldo I think of him already in full-flight. I don't envisage him accelerating rapidly from a standing start, (but then again I'm not sure I think of many quick players like that. I would suggest that the likes of Suarez for example has better acceleration than ROnaldo, but a poorer top speed.

I remember reading a summary of that test done by a specialist and he concluded that that it was highly unlikely based on them that Ronaldo could run under 11s for the 100m. He estimated a time between 11s & 11.5s.

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Fair enough, the issue is acceleration and this is measured in a small amount of space, like 25 meters. I don't know about you, but for me someone that is not a sprinter and makes 3.61 in 25 meters, it has to mean he has a strong acceleration not a standard 12 attribute. But then again that test was in 2011, not 2015 :) but I still think its very low.

It's not worth too much to look at that stat all on its own. Combined with 20 pace, it's still fast. He'll still be faster than most, except the supremely gifted guys who are quick out of the blocks. See how he performs in the ME first though.

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I haven't completely made up my mind about this yes but.....

1. I was more surprised by other attributes if I'm honest.

2. The comparison you give above means that Ronaldo is actually 11% slower over 25 metres. As someone with an athletics background, that sort of margin over that sort of distance is actually on the huge side of enormous.

If you multiply 25 metres by 4 to get 100m, and then you do the same to the margin, (0.30 seconds x 4), you get 1.2 seconds over 100m.

To put that in perspective, if Ronaldo had run in the 2012 London Olympic 100m Final, (that Bolt won in 9.63 seconds after a very poor start), then Ronaldo would not even have been on your TV screens when Bolt crossed the line. He would have been so far behind that he would have been out of the picture! Literally!

Your suggestion that .30 of a seconds over 25m is a small amount of time, is quite frankly... Im trying to be polite here so I am diluting my words... It's just very wrong. Far from it being a small gap. It's enormous!

I haven't decided either way if I agree with the acceleration thing, (I haven't seen enough of him recently to make up my mind), but as long as it is like that on purpose because the researcher has thought it was accurate, (quite a strong statement), then I am prepared to at least look at it with an open mind.

When I think of Ronaldo I think of him already in full-flight. I don't envisage him accelerating rapidly from a standing start, (but then again I'm not sure I think of many quick players like that. I would suggest that the likes of Suarez for example has better acceleration than ROnaldo, but a poorer top speed.

Are you saying that sprinters don't reach their top speed during a 100m sprint?

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I remember reading a summary of that test done by a specialist and he concluded that that it was highly unlikely based on them that Ronaldo could run under 11s for the 100m. He estimated a time between 11s & 11.5s.

I was trying to be nice.

There is absolutely no way on Earth that he would have only lost ground at the same distance that he lost ground in the opening quarter of the race.

The problem is that Ronaldo rarely if ever sprints from a standing start. He is at the very least walking. It's a skill that many sprinters struggle with. Bolt for example has a very poor start.

A lot of it is technique that can be learned, but Ronaldo has a very upright style, and a lot of lateral movement.

From my view I would say that he actually has a particularly poor running style compared to other quick footballers. Gareth Bale has for example, significantly less lateral movement in his running style.

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Are you saying that sprinters don't reach their top speed during a 100m sprint?

No. Certainly not. They absolutely do reach their top speed.

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No. Certainly not. They absolutely do reach their top speed.

Then the 0.3 secs cannot be multiplied by 4. Ronaldo has 20 for pace. He's just slower than top guys out of the blocks.

It may be closer to something like 0.3 + 0.15 + 0.0 + 0.0

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Then the 0.3 secs cannot be multiplied by 4. Ronaldo has 20 for pace. He's just slower than top guys out of the blocks.

It may be closer to something like 0.3 + 0.15 + 0.0 + 0.0

I was being kind.

Ronaldo may have 20 speed, but he is a footballer not a sprinter.

Because of that, (and his poor sprinting technique), he would lose form over the distance of the race.

He would start as specified and he would hit his top speed, but there is absolutely no way that he would still be running at his top speed when he crossed the line. He would become more and more ragged as the race progressed and he would lose huge amounts of time, (relatively speaking), in the closing stages.

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That's why Boly is able to come strong at the end of the race. He isn't getting quicker in the last 10m. The others are slowing. The reality is that Bolt is also slowing. It's just that he is slowing at a considerably slower rate than the others.

Sprinting 100m at that level isn't an eyeballs out explosion of everything that you have from the moment you start to the moment you cross the line. It's actually a series of technical sections, (that we don't see), that moves the sprinter out of the blocks, through the transition phase where athlete's now actually slow the rate at which they rise on purpose, and on to the mid section of the rsace where it is very much about control and style and stride length, (amongst other things).

Basically, at the top level, the 1st section might be as long as 50(ish) metres and is all about getting out of the blocks and accelrating to top speed. The mid section os about maintaining that top speed and then the last section is where they are unable to keep performing and they start to slow and the athlete will try and minismise these losses by form and technique.

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I was being kind.

Ronaldo may have 20 speed, but he is a footballer not a sprinter.

Because of that, (and his poor sprinting technique), he would lose form over the distance of the race.

He would start as specified and he would hit his top speed, but there is absolutely no way that he would still be running at his top speed when he crossed the line. He would become more and more ragged as the race progressed and he would lose huge amounts of time, (relatively speaking), in the closing stages.

IRL, yes. In FM, sprinting technique etc is not in. We have Pace and Acceleration. That 20 Pace makes him very fast.

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IRL, yes. In FM, sprinting technique etc is not in. We have Pace and Acceleration. That 20 Pace makes him very fast.

Absolutely.

I personally would not have him as 20 pace, but that's a different argument. By any calculation he is still very fast. It also makes me wonder how much faster he could possibly be, (given his poor running technique/style).

I am even still undecided about the acceleration thing, (because I havent seen enough of him in recent years), I was really just responding to the comparison to a sprinter and the claim that .30 over 25m should be considered a small margin. To be honest it's huge, (as I think I have explained above).

The other ting of course os that the bloke in question wasn't great in the 1st place, (think it was Rodriguez of Spain), who as far as I know has never gone under 10 seconds for 100M, and I even have a feeling that he might be more of a 200m runner, )but not positive about that).

Anyway shush and get downloading. :lol:

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What the researchers always recommend is to look at him in the game first and how he performs. :thup:

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Surprised there are no comments on the Ronaldo 12 acceleration screenshot posted yesterday

Where is the screenshot?

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it was mentioned that players who are get injured, their salaries are insured.

where can I see it please?

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Can SI seriously consider selling the game in Hong Kong via Steam? It's torture seeing you guys playing/discussing about the beta and I have no access to it ! :(

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