Heartwork Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I can't tell if that is incredible or the worst goalkeeping ever, need to see an angle from behind Bebe. http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/10008362/man-utd-flop-bebe-scores-wonder-goal-for-rayo-vallecano video here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I am going terrible goalkeeping ffs, nice strike though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham_aka_stam Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Nice strike, perfect height, but the keeper should have done better. Still he must be decent to be taking their freekicks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Great strike indeed, very early Ronaldo-esque about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 He should do well for them, was stuck in a godawful Cordoba side last season but seems to have more of a part to play at Rayo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheps. Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Had no idea Bebe was at Rayo Fair play to him, the butt of many jokes but he's carving himself a decent career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 Great to beat a Sunderland team that just wanted to time waste, really hope they go down this year. Also, probably the last time I'll get to see John O'Shea on a football pitch . We really needed that goal before half time, so important to go in at half time winning, then the goal straight after half time killed the game off. TOP OF THE LEAGUE! When Pantilimon came out and caught the ball outside of his box, why wasn't he booked? The only thing I can imagine is that the referee was worried about the prospect of having to send him off for time wasting later on in the game, which is truly awful refereeing. And as we all knew would be the case, after that incident he wasted loads of time before we got the goal. I hate when referees make decisions like that, a yellow is a yellow, regardless of the circumstances (see Demichelis v Spurs too). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have been thinking about possible time-wasting later on, think that is reading far too much in to it. Think he just felt it wasn't intentional and was being lenient as it was fairly early on. I'm not sure on the rules but personally feel it probably should have been a booking, fwiw, intentional or not. Personally I feel he must also have known it was outside when he caught it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 I'm pretty certain he wouldn't have been thinking about possible time-wasting later on, think that is reading far too much in to it. Think he just felt it wasn't intentional and was being lenient as it was fairly early on. I'm not sure on the rules but personally feel it probably should have been a booking, fwiw, intentional or not. Personally I feel he must also have known it was outside when he caught it. But he had already been time wasting before that? He was time wasting from the first minute so the referee must have had the booking in the back of his mind, he'd told him to hurry up a couple of times before the handball. I agree that in that scenario it's a booking, intentional or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Yellow for handball is only for unsporting behaviour (examples cited in the LotG are to trying to take possession or score a goal) - not sure you could justify that since it appeared to be a legitimate mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted September 28, 2015 Author Share Posted September 28, 2015 Would Pantilimon's not be classed as trying to take possession or am I missing something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 'Preventing the opposition take possession' is the exact phrasing, apologies. Which obviously he was trying to do in the wider context that nobody wants to gift the opposition possession, but he wasn't trying to do so in an unsporting fashion within the context of the offence if you take it at face value that he believed he was in the area. 'Unsporting behaviour' is the cautionable offence; verging on thoughtcrime for the ref to book him for the incident in question regardless of any deeper suspicions on our part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Pretty sure not every hand ball is a yellow. So wasn't surprised Pantilimon wasn't booked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I was a little surprised because it looked like they kind of panicked and he grabbed the ball outside the lines. Not a big deal though. Worse that he didn't get a yellow throughout the game for probably wasting 10 minutes singlehandedly. Hadn't quite realised, but boy do we have some matches coming up. 30.09 Wolfsburg (H) 04.10 Arsenal (A) 17.10 Everton (A) 21.10 CSKA Moscow (A) 25.10 Man City (H) Some crucial games coming up in there, broken up by probably some international matches injuries (Smalling? *gulp*) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Pretty sure not every hand ball is a yellow. So wasn't surprised Pantilimon wasn't booked. You're right, a handball isn't a caution-able offence outside of two qualifiers: a) the player attempts to score from one and/or b) the player deliberately attempted to deny the opposition the ball by deliberately handballing it. Any other case is simply a freekick. I was a little surprised because it looked like they kind of panicked and he grabbed the ball outside the lines. Not a big deal though. Worse that he didn't get a yellow throughout the game for probably wasting 10 minutes singlehandedly. Hadn't quite realised, but boy do we have some matches coming up. 30.09 Wolfsburg (H) 04.10 Arsenal (A) 17.10 Everton (A) 21.10 CSKA Moscow (A) 25.10 Man City (H) Some crucial games coming up in there, broken up by probably some international matches injuries (Smalling? *gulp*) It will be interesting to see how we do. I thought we did very well against the bigger sides last season, so that may continue this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 A win away at Everton is a must regardless of what we do v the other two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'd even mention the match after City which is Palace away. Will probably be the toughest away match at Palace we'll have had so far. October certainly going to be a tough month. Feel we must win on Wednesday against Wolfsburg or we'll really be making things difficult for ourselves in the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not able to watch the match, but United U19s are 1-0 up at half-time after a goal by Rashford. He's been scoring for fun lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 1-1 now, Tuanzebe caught napping. Not had a great game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 A must win tonight, we need to win all our home games. Somebody has to fly the flag for the English clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Finished 1-1. Rashford put a free kick high and wide just as we got into stoppage time, then wasted a corner with the last kick of the game. Wolfsburg were all over us second half, thankfully they just couldn't hit the target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Shame. Just have the stats to judge on, but based on that 1-1 is probably a fair enough result. Our youth teams always are a bit odd, with players out of position and few people in some positions in the squad. Seems to be like that every year, so maybe it's a conscious decision. Fosu-Mensah has played wing lately for instance, which is a bit odd, given he's a mix of a CM and CB. I suspect the coaches want to further improve his on the ball skills, but in my mind it would be better to start specialising in a position when you get to 16-18. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 It's more right of a 3 in the middle, Dearnley is usually out on the right wing. I know that he played AM in pre-season whilst they were bedding him in. All comes down to not having enough players for the two teams though. This year's U18 intake was quite small and we've been rejecting loans for the U21s because the squad is too small Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 U19s and U20s England squads announced and as per usual, not a United player to be seen. Can't believe players like Harrop, Williams, Tuanzebe, Rashford, Pearson, Rothwell, Goss, Gribbin and Dearnley aren't getting a look-in. Only player we have in a youth squad is Angel Gomes in the U16s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 De Gea; Valencia, Smalling, Blind, Darmian; Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger; Mata, Rooney, Memphis; Martial. subs: Romero, Jones, McNair, Pereira, Young, Fellaini, Wilson. Happy with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
isignedupfornorealreason Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Hopefully we buck the trend of English clubs losing in Europe tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not failed to score against German opposition for 16 champions league games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Is Bastian more or less a vice captain by now? The way he bosses the midfield, he is probably the most natural leader in the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
managerdude_66 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 According to the club, I think it is either Carrick or Smalling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Guess he's more of an unofficial one then cos he basically does a lot of the bossing around and organising Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 You are actually Michael Owen, aren't you? Next thing, you'll be telling us Martial is a striker as he tends to score goals and plays far forward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 He the one with the gem that was "If i was a United fan I'd hope to see a lot of goals"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 He the one with the gem that was "If i was a United fan I'd hope to see a lot of goals"? Are we playing "quote from wandsfan or owen"? Also... **** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 FFS Valencia. 20 meters behind the rest of defence. Oaf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 FFS everyone else for not dropping with the runners that close to goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Daily reminder that decent as Blind may be, he's never, ever an actual CB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Daily reminder that decent as Blind may be, he's never, ever an actual CB Not seen a proper replay, but I suppose he was the guy that doubled up on the run then. Always trouble when you have two guys following the same bloke. Could just see the deeper Wolfsburg players busting a lung to get forward when that happened. Chain reaction and Valencia's brainfart, and bam, 0-1. Terrible start. Hope we get back and win, because we really need to win this match /owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not seen a proper replay, but I suppose he was the guy that doubled up on the run then. Always trouble when you have two guys following the same bloke. Could just see the deeper Wolfsburg players busting a lung to get forward when that happened. Chain reaction and Valencia's brainfart, and bam, 0-1. Terrible start. Hope we get back and win, because we really need to win this match /owen He sort of, kinda, partially, maybe followed the ball out wide then sort of, kinda, partially, maybe just did **** all. Not blaming the goal on him but a proper CB on that side and I don't think we concede Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Rooney on the pitch and not taking the penalty? I ****ing love Van Gaal! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Why all this Rooney penalty confusion? You miss it rotates. Rooney missed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I must've missed all the times it was rotated previously when Rooney missed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 170 passes by Man Utd, imagine how many it would be if someone mentioned to Depay he is allowed to pass in the box. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Poor linesman. Martial inside by a mile and about to score and they raise the flag for no reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 I must've missed all the times it was rotated previously when Rooney missed It was mentioned when he missed the last time. By Rooney himself iirc. So yeah, you missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 170 passes by Man Utd, imagine how many it would be if someone mentioned to Depay he is allowed to pass in the box. Still 170 I'd imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Poor linesman. Martial inside by a mile and about to score and they raise the flag for no reason. Flag was because he was offside. Pretty simple, this football thing, really Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Flag was because he was offside. Pretty simple, this football thing, really Flag should be raised if he was offside. Flag should not be raised when clearly onside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Flag was because he was offside. Pretty simple, this football thing, really That was the 2nd instance I assume, as he was offside there. Earlier he was onside but was still flagged. Not easy to catch these very close decisions though tbf. We created surprisingly many big chances, and should have scored more than the one goal. Memphis had 2 big ones Rooney skying it Dante clearing Mata's goal Martial clean through but wrongfully called offside Probably more I forget Horrible start with the oaf defending on 0-1 but overall we were the dominant side and should have scored a goal or two more. Hopefully we score a few more in the 2nd half and get the three points. With CSKA dicking PSV hard in the other match, every team will be on 3 points if that happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 That was the 2nd instance I assume, as he was offside there. Earlier he was onside but was still flagged. Not easy to catch these very close decisions though tbf. Must have missed the other one then, I just saw one where he was marginally (but clearly) offside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Finally someone's realised Toni is just not good enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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