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Razzler's gone a bit quiet.

Multiply that by about 29m, and that's probably how Madrid feel right now.

United fans believe the United statement, Madrid fans believe the Madrid statement ... what a surprise.

That's all squabbling over who was at fault for the paperwork. Doesn't change anything else I was on about regarding doing the deal/holding firm, etc

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You think Martial will play up top and Rooney into that no 10 role then or you think he'll be playing wide at least in the short term?

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United fans believe the United statement, Madrid fans believe the Madrid statement ... what a surprise.

That's all squabbling over who was at fault for the paperwork. Doesn't change anything else I was on about regarding doing the deal/holding firm, etc

Madrid fans believe that their club deliberately delayed the deal which they think is the right thing as they would rather he came on a free next year. Check all the news outlets...

Come on Razz, you are slipping. They got cold feet, we have timestamped proof and FA support, you have a theory that we should have run to Madrid and said "Buy him FFS"

If DDG wins us even one point between now and the end of the season it will be worth it......not so if loses us points :D

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United fans believe the United statement, Madrid fans believe the Madrid statement ... what a surprise.

That's all squabbling over who was at fault for the paperwork. Doesn't change anything else I was on about regarding doing the deal/holding firm, etc

Most Madrid fans actually don't believe their clubs statement at all actually. Not judging by those interviewed in Madrid by British media, or judging from twitter, where criticism of Peter has been trending.

But you go ahead and keep spouting your nonsense, because you seem to get some kind of fetishism out of laughing at United, so who am I to stop you?

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United fans believe the United statement, Madrid fans believe the Madrid statement ... what a surprise.

That's all squabbling over who was at fault for the paperwork. Doesn't change anything else I was on about regarding doing the deal/holding firm, etc

Not worth waiting for.

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As has been said, we have proof and FA support that we did everything on our end and sent the paperwork off on time.

In regards to Martial, surely he will go straight in to the first team? Either on the wing with Mata in at 10 or upfront with Rooney as 10 and Mata on the right. Either way, he will hopefully be an improvement to the team. Personally I'd like to see him upfront because Rooney just isn't cut out for that role, no matter how much he thinks he's a striker.

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Might as well ask then.

Now the transfer window is closed, how do people rate our dealings this summer?

INS

Memphis Depay

Bastian Schweinsteiger

Matteo Darmian

Morgan Schneiderlin

Sergio Romero

Anthony Martial

OUTS

Jonny Evans

Tom Cleverley

Nani

Robin van Persie

Rafael

Angel Di Maria

Javier Hernandez

Anders Lindegaard

LOANS OUT

Adnan Januzaj

Tyler Blackett

Squad

GK

de Gea

Romero

Johnstone

Valdes

Defenders

Darmian

Smalling

Jones

Rojo

Shaw

McNair

Midfielders

Schweinsteiger

Schneiderlin

Carrick

Blind

Herrera

Fellaini

Mata

Depay

Young

Valencia

Forwards

Rooney

Wilson

Martial

That's how we are going to look until at least January. Has the overall window been a success or failure? Has it been good enough? Can that squad possibly challenge for the title?

Obviously keeping de Gea is a massive plus, albeit through luck rather than judgment, and assuming he gets his head straight and can perform for us as he has previously, then it will be worth its weight in gold. Would have been nice to offload Valdes.

Defence is where a huge gamble seems to have been taken. We've made one signing there in Darmian, who looks to be one of the best buys we've made in a good while. But with selling Evans and Rafael, and loaning out Blackett for the season, we look painfully short of cover. Jones is constantly injured and a liability when he does play. McNair is someone I actually think can become a quality player but is still young and will only play under the most desperate circumstances. As soon as Smalling gets an injury, or even Shaw, we will look in real trouble. We're already playing a non CB alongside Smalling, so the first injury we get is really going to screw us up. Blind is obviously the non CB I allude to, and Valencia will cover at RB as required, but imo it isn't acceptable that your backup RB isn't even a RB.

Midfield, on the other hand, looks good, although still perhaps short of depth in terms of real quality wingers. Schneiderlin should be a good long term replacement for Carrick whilst Schweinsteiger gives us a great boost in experience and a good platform for rotation. We still look short of pace on the whole in the attacking areas.

Up top still looks like it could go wrong. Rooney has been poor for 18 months so to lose the depth of Hernandez and bring in a relative unknown for a huge price in Martial as well as then only having Wilson as further backup could easily go wrong.

Considering this season we are back in the CL, the fact we have at best kept the same level of depth to the squad is a big worry. An injury to Smalling and we're screwed. Still lack that real top quality and pace going forward. However we have brought in a quality RB and considerably strengthened the CM area, as well as some how keeping de Gea. It's one of those where my assessment could easily go up or down a point from one hour to the next. I'll give it a 6/10 as 5 just seems a bit too harsh, but no way could I give it any higher. Let's call it 5.5/10.

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I think it's been a very good transfer window. Some people seem to have forgotten that we signed some great players early on. We improved the midfield a lot, added some much needed pace to our attack, added a real RB who looks like he will be a very good signing. Hopefully de Gea plays until at least the end of the season (sneaky contract? Get it sorted Ed), if he performs like he did last season then that'll be a huge bonus.

The only let downs are that we didn't sign a CB or a striker (unless Martial is to play there, which I hope he does. But still, a lot of weight to put on his shoulders if that's the case).

I'd be happy with playing the following team as our strongest:

De Gea

Darmian Smalling Blind Shaw

Schneiderlin Carrick

Mata Rooney Memphis

Martial

If Martial performs and by some miracle we manage to get de Gea to stay (which isn't likely, I know) then in reality all we have to replace next season is Blind at CB and maybe a younger replacement for Carrick, but Schweinsteiger may be good for a few years.

Overall we've made some real improvements to the team, addressed a number of positions that we were lacking in and therefore I think it's been a pretty good window. I give it a 7.5/10.

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Yeah I agree with what Harry has said on the whole, if we had signed a good CB and kept RVP possibly, then it would be around 9/10 imo. But a 7/10 is where I would place us for now.

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Surely Rojo would be better at CB than Blind?

Blind has done well so far. I wouldn't change him (or any of the back 4) until he has a really poor game.

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Blind has done well so far. I wouldn't change him (or any of the back 4) until he has a really poor game.

He's done well in the games that we haven't been tested in, against Swansea he was found out.

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Blind has done well so far. I wouldn't change him (or any of the back 4) until he has a really poor game.

He was really poor against Swansea?

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He's done well in the games that we haven't been tested in, against Swansea he was found out.
He was really poor against Swansea?

True, for some reason I'd just wiped the Swansea game from my mind!

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True, for some reason I'd just wiped the Swansea game from my mind!

I tried that too, without success, sigh..............

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Much more balanced squad than previously. We were heavy on senior strikers and light in midfield, and also light on dynamic impact players. Looks like that has been taken care of. Maybe it would have been nicer to have brought in another defender, and maybe sell Valencia as well but that's difficult to do in one window. In any case, you can see the squad shaping up as a group of players that largely bring different qualities to the table thereby offering various tactical opportunities. Though LVG's man management skills are and always have been a concern. Would love to see Klopp coming in at some point.

The De Gea situation wasn't fully resolved but I was always of the opinion that it was better to keep him than let Real Madrid keep bullying us. I've lost a lot of respect for them after this transfer window. Especially after the Valdes falling out and other clubs seeing an opportunity to overcharge us. Although, we'll have to deal with them in January again.

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7/10. We filled so many needs and got rid of so much surplus. If Rojo is actually going to play, we may be ok at CB. Only major issue is not signing a proven Strker and possibly putting an immense amount of pressure on an unproven 19 yr kid.

DDG mess aside, it was a good window.

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It's been a poor transfer window :(

I'd have kept:

Jonny Evans

Nani

Rafael

Angel Di Maria (would have sold if he put in a transfer request, don't recall if he did)

Javier Hernandez

Would have tried to sell Young or even given a free transfer. I'd also have tried to get rid of Mata and Valencia.

Incomings wise, Bastian Schweinsteiger and Matteo Darmian look to be good additions. Yet to be convinced Memphis has the qualities needed to succeed but willing to wait and see.

Morgan Schneiderlin looks like a small club player and isn't good enough and not young enough to develop into being good enough.

Another foreign GK signed in Romero who'd need time to adapt no matter how good he is or isn't, a reasonable backup but may as well have youth player in that position.

Martial appears from the very little I've seen on a YouTube video (that's supposed to show his best bits) another Bellion or Bebe. The whole transfer looks like "exhibit A" in a money laundering court case. Hopefully I'm wrong and he turns into a worldy but I doubt it.

The current squad is so far short of where we want Utd to be it's unreal. We need a quick creative wide player for the right hand side.

A center midfielder that has a good range of passing skills has good positional awareness and movement, reasonably quick and early to mid 20's and wants to get on the ball, currently we've got two ageing midfielders doing that and nothing coming through from what I've seen.

We could do with another forward and central defender of sufficient quality.

Aaaand if David De Gea is leaving then a decent keeper the defence can rely on.

I'm all for bringing through or signing young players and developing them but they need good players around them to learn from and aspire to be as good as.

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Morgan Schneiderlin looks like a small club player and isn't good enough and not young enough to develop into being good enough.

And that's when the world collectively stopped taking any note of your posts.

It was either this or the Martial paragraph, can choose for yourself, really

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It's been a poor transfer window :(

I'd have kept:

Jonny Evans

Nani

Rafael

Angel Di Maria (would have sold if he put in a transfer request, don't recall if he did)

Javier Hernandez

Would have tried to sell Young or even given a free transfer. I'd also have tried to get rid of Mata and Valencia.

Incomings wise, Bastian Schweinsteiger and Matteo Darmian look to be good additions. Yet to be convinced Memphis has the qualities needed to succeed but willing to wait and see.

Morgan Schneiderlin looks like a small club player and isn't good enough and not young enough to develop into being good enough.

Another foreign GK signed in Romero who'd need time to adapt no matter how good he is or isn't, a reasonable backup but may as well have youth player in that position.

Martial appears from the very little I've seen on a YouTube video (that's supposed to show his best bits) another Bellion or Bebe. The whole transfer looks like "exhibit A" in a money laundering court case. Hopefully I'm wrong and he turns into a worldy but I doubt it.

The current squad is so far short of where we want Utd to be it's unreal. We need a quick creative wide player for the right hand side.

A center midfielder that has a good range of passing skills has good positional awareness and movement, reasonably quick and early to mid 20's and wants to get on the ball, currently we've got two ageing midfielders doing that and nothing coming through from what I've seen.

We could do with another forward and central defender of sufficient quality.

Aaaand if David De Gea is leaving then a decent keeper the defence can rely on.

I'm all for bringing through or signing young players and developing them but they need good players around them to learn from and aspire to be as good as.

arguably the worst post this season?

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I stopped reading his post when he said he would have tried to get rid of Mata.

I skimmed over that :D That's absolutely amazing

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Likening Martial to Bebe ffs, just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean he's rubbish. He's quite highly rated (okay not €80million worth, but still) around Europe and has played at good level last season.

It's not like we've scouted him from the homeless World Cup ala Bebe :D

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How many had heard of Ronaldo before we bought him?

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just learned that martial is already married with kids :D at least fergie will approve

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How many had heard of Ronaldo before we bought him?

Seeing as how many will have watched the pre-season game against Sporting... :brock:

Seen on twitter that someone is on something claiming Mendes is advising De Gea to sign a new contract. I'll take that second hand info about a person I know nothing about on a thing I know nothing about and decide it's true and happening :thup:

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That's how we are going to look until at least January. Has the overall window been a success or failure? Has it been good enough? Can that squad possibly challenge for the title?

(Not read beyond this post yet, but will)

The opening to the transfer window was great. We quickly sorted out some problem areas, in defence, midfield and attack/wing through Darmian, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger and Depay. After that it's more questionable. Martial will hopefully prove to be a good player, although it will take quite something to truly be worthy of that lofty price. He's a complete unknown to me, so will have to judge him over the coming season. Obviously keeping DDG is a huge plus, if he gets his head down and plays well (and LVG picks him).

The main concerns for me are that we look pretty lightweight in attack and defence, very vulnerable to injuries. Sending Januzaj out on loan, especially if the murmurs of some type of buy clause/agreement is true, is a big blotch. It simply doesn't make sense to ship out one of our most talented attackers when we are already light in attack. Getting rid of RVP I can see the sense in as he was a shadow of himself last season, but selling Hernandez on top seems too much from our perspective, though I can understand if Chicha wanted to leave. He's too good to just warm a bench.

Overall, with the dust settled, I'd probably rate it as 7-8/10 or something like that, so actually pretty good. We're in a better place now than 12 months ago. Unlike recent years, midfield is perhaps our strongest area now.

Don't think we're dangerous enough in attack to pose a serious title challenge, which is disappointing, but then there is a lack of quality strikers moving about right now. We did show signs last season at times, so I hope we start ticking more this season. It looks like LVG so far has focused mostly on defensive solidity, building from the back (despite his reputation, a classic SAF trick when results went against him, 1-0, 1-0, 1-0...). Swansea aside, we have looked more solid at the back, so I hope we start looking more dangerous up front as well as the season progresses. We look a bit short on quality and numbers, but I hope Martial can be a positive surprise already this season. Obviously a buy with the future in mind, but here's hoping :thup:

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And that's when the world collectively stopped taking any note of your posts.

It was either this or the Martial paragraph, can choose for yourself, really

For me it was that we should have released Young on a free, but Schneiderlin was the last nail. Didn't get to Martial :D

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actually looking at the martial deal, it doesn't even seem that bad considering how highly rated he seems to be?

£22m up front + £3.5m a year for the next four years, then a load of speculative non-guaranteed bonuses which if he meets them will probably make him worth the money, only agreed to by monaco because they're so certain of his potential. €80m!!!!!

plus cantona supposedly said he'll be worth €100m in three years anyway rBvyUKL.gif

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I've been reading some articles about Martial and it appears that he relies to much on talent alone.

This leads me to make a comparison between Kluivert and Martial. Kluivert had so much talent, that he relied solely on it and never put in the extra work to be even better than he was. Basicly, at the age of 27 Kluivert was done.

However the best years of Kluivert were his Barcelona years under Van Gaal. LVG has the ability to get the best out of talented players (or the worst). Its kind of a hit and miss thing with LVG. He either loves you and defends you no matter what, or he drops you like you dont even matter (mostly south americans haha).

Seeing a resemblance in mentality between Kluivert and Martial, I expect LVG to bond with him and get the most out him.

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So the current squad is good enough to win the league and champions league? How many of the current squad would get into Man City or Chelsea's team? Probably only De Gea ahead of Hart.

What sort of football do you want to see? Slow, sideways and backwards or quick, dynamic, incisive?

I may have been a bit harsh on Martial in comparing him to Bebe. We'll see in time how he turns out.

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I've been reading some articles about Martial and it appears that he relies to much on talent alone.

This leads me to make a comparison between Kluivert and Martial. Kluivert had so much talent, that he relied solely on it and never put in the extra work to be even better than he was. Basicly, at the age of 27 Kluivert was done.

However the best years of Kluivert were his Barcelona years under Van Gaal. LVG has the ability to get the best out of talented players (or the worst). Its kind of a hit and miss thing with LVG. He either loves you and defends you no matter what, or he drops you like you dont even matter (mostly south americans haha).

Seeing a resemblance in mentality between Kluivert and Martial, I expect LVG to bond with him and get the most out him.

Then you've probably not read the articles stating he seemed to turn a corner in that regard around last Christmas? I've seen that mentioned by a couple of people.

I've also seen quite a few mention that he's owned up to not putting in effort :D At least he's not blind to his faults :D

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Would have tried to sell Young or even given a free transfer. I'd also have tried to get rid of Mata.

Morgan Schneiderlin looks like a small club player and isn't good enough and not young enough to develop into being good enough.

Martial appears from the very little I've seen on a YouTube video (that's supposed to show his best bits) another Bellion or Bebe. The whole transfer looks like "exhibit A" in a money laundering court case. Hopefully I'm wrong and he turns into a worldy but I doubt it.

Picked out the highlights here, don't think I've ever seen such an awful post, other than anything by Sid or Superman. Just baffling, almost (and by almost I am explicitly suggesting it is the case) as if you know nothing at all on the subject. Amazing :D

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jamie jackson

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As reported yesterday K Navas unhappy at Real, called #mufc to try rescue transfer Tuesday morning.De Gea expected to get on with it. A mess

So yeah this reportedly happened

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An awful post? It's well written and makes sense as in you can understand the message.

If you don't agree with the point of view then why don't you put forward your view on what areas of the squad need improving to get to where you want Man Utd to be?

What's so good about Ashley Young? What's so good about Mata? What does Schneiderlin offer that others don't?

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What's so good about Ashley Young? What's so good about Mata? What does Schneiderlin offer that others don't?

That you don't actually know the answers to these questions is the reason nobody will bother trying to explain it to you, for what it's worth

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Who's the greatest player in the Premier League?

The greatest is kind of vague.

Striker: Aguero?

Attacking mid - David Silva

Keeper - Curtois

Defender - Terry

Just my 2 cents

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