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In one paragraph you say there was no bid/agreement. Two paragraphs later you claim that it's rubbish that there was no bid...

We were willing to sell. Everyone and their dog knows that. Mendes will have been well aware of what was needed for the deal to happen. Simple fact is Madrid dragged their feet hoping to bring the price down, which they probably did. They just dragged their feet for too long, whether that was intentional or not.

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I am not focusing purely on paperwork. The paperwork situation is a mess (Madrid claim it's United's fault, I am sure United are about to claim it's not) but prior to the final day an agreement could have been made but United had to be willing to negotiate otherwise there won't be any bids. They were adamant DDG wouldn't leave

A deal could have been done anytime during the summer. For a deal to be done United had to show willing to sell. Madrid claim United only opened negotiations on that final day, hence the bid/agreement

There will be an official agreement when United agreed to sell, they're not gonna lob bids in all summer. That's what the communication is for, bringing both to the table and finding an agreement without constant bid and rejections

If this is the price United would have been happy with they should have working towards it prior to the final day. "There was no bid" is rubbish. If there is willing then it'll happen and Mendes is there too. There's nothing official for a reason cause the club didn't want to sell

In the end they decide at last minute they will sell and it sounds like that part of the agreement was quick but it's the paperwork that screwed up. Whoever is responsible for that is up in the air

This is the agent that you were all terrified you were going to be forced to buy Falcao if DDG signed a new deal yet he can't make a deal happen during the summer?

I guess Madrid not really wanting to do it is one for the football conspiracies

You're talking yourself around in circles and contradicting yourself. Not sure if you're on a wind up or what but you're not making any sense.

Of course United were willing to sell, he's been benched, Romero's been brought in etc. they just said it'll take a big bid. They've been doing this "around the table stuff" you've been talking about all summer, why would they if they were adamant he wasn't going to leave?

There was no bid though, so how can "There was no bid" be rubbish :D? The club didn't want to sell, most selling clubs don't want to sell, so they buying club has to find a value that will convince them to sell, that's the whole point. Madrid obviously couldn't do that until right at the last minute. It is the buying club's responsibility to get things done, not the selling one. Why would United try to push through a sale they don't want to make?

"In the end they decide at the last minute they will sell" :D :D :D No, they received a bid that allowed them to progress with the paperwork, how could they continue with the sale when no bid has been made? If Madrid were happy to pay this amount earlier, why didn't they make a bid for all to see? They didn't.

Plenty of reasons Madrid wouldn't want to do it btw, no-ones saying it's an anti-United conspiracy.

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There will not be a bid until both sides agree on price with these high level moves. You think price wasn't agreed for Ronaldo before an agreement is made? AdM to PSG you think they chucked in 44m bid and that just so happened to be suitable? Both sides agree via 3rd parties, agents and all sorts. The bid is a fait accompli

Madrid are claiming you were only willing to open negotiations yesterday.

Who knows what the various 3rd parties were doing all summer and whether a deal was even possible if United were standing firm. Did United say they won't sell and Madrid say they won't spend a lot? Has Mendes pulled this together at the last minute once everyone budged. Was Mendes working frantically to do this last month and no one blinked. Madrid claim you didn't want to negotiate until yesterday. There won't be bids coming in all summer incrementally higher.

United wanted a world record bid and then wanted Ramos and they got neither. It appeared DDG wasn't going anywhere and now it's a mess, he can go but hasn't. You can blame whoever for the paperwork and I am sure both clubs will but DDG was told he could go but didn't. It's not cause you held firm in the face of the mighty Madrid

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So in one sentence you're saying it's united's fault for holding firm, then in the final one you're saying it's not?

Think about what you type Razzler.

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Goodness me

Either hold firm or don't hold firm. You've hit a pile of **** in the middle of that and come out looking rubbish

Hold firm, keep DDG, we don't need to sell/worth more an extra season with us, etc ... or, decide on a price and set Mendes and his hounds into the wild at any time you fancy really. We don't know the conversations but if you are willing to sell and back down from the record fee then it's up to Mendes and if he can't get a proper fee then you don't sell. If there's willing on both sides then generally things get agreed

What was the point of holding firm if you were perfectly happy to let DDG go? It's nothing to do with official bids ... you could have agreed a price or come to a conclusion during negotiations. If you really want that record fee and don't get it then great, he stays ... that is holding firm! If they really, really won't pay more than a paltry 11m then great, he stays ... that is holding firm

This is not holding firm, it's balls

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No-one was happy to let DDG go, United didn't want to sell, BUT if a fee came in that convinced them to (postured for a WR fee as a starting point) they would, as was shown last night.

Question is, why didn't Madrid make that bid sooner?

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All these Razzler posts are distracting. Everyone is in here to witness a meltdown of Arsenal fans proportions as the day wears on and they still haven't signed anyone ....

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Arsenal fans are used to that though by now :lol:

we are just waiting for our massively over sized bid on someone who was cheaper last week.

I would go and enjoy the meltdown of Chelsea fans as they are signing random championship defenders.. but that thread is like the stadium :p

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Imagine if we'd secretly chucked 45m at Everton for Stones, Chelsea fans would literally crap bricks.

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Arsenal fans are used to that though by now :lol:

we are just waiting for our massively over sized bid on someone who was cheaper last week.

I would go and enjoy the meltdown of Chelsea fans as they are signing random championship defenders.. but that thread is like the stadium :p

There's been talk that Spurs wanted Martial at the start of the summer, offered €10m and were told he'd cost €20m

That's fun, eh? :D

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There's been talk that Spurs wanted Martial at the start of the summer, offered €10m and were told he'd cost €20m

That's fun, eh? :D

Rumours about that last month Chelsea tried with €40m, and were told to bounce.

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Razzler :confused:

In short, Real Madrid did everything necessary at all times to complete both transfers

:D

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Razzler :confused:
In short, Real Madrid did everything necessary at all times to complete both transfers

:D

That's my favourite bit! Everything necessary except, you know, try & do it even 2 days earlier than they did.

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Its rumoured that Martial has signed a four year contract with an option of a fifth.

It always bugs me that we don't sign people up for longer, we're spending 30/40/50m on him why not tie him down to a 6year contract?!

We seem to be the only club that offers relatively short contracts to the big money buys.

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Its rumoured that Martial has signed a four year contract with an option of a fifth.

It always bugs me that we don't sign people up for longer, we're spending 30/40/50m on him why not tie him down to a 6year contract?!

We seem to be the only club that offers relatively short contracts to the big money buys.

Or at least 4 with a 2 year option, it's odd.

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Its rumoured that Martial has signed a four year contract with an option of a fifth.

It always bugs me that we don't sign people up for longer, we're spending 30/40/50m on him why not tie him down to a 6year contract?!

We seem to be the only club that offers relatively short contracts to the big money buys.

The legal maximum contact that can be signed is 5 years if i recall correctly?

it's less for players under 18 - think 3 years.

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Also worth noting that if we sell him (rather, when we sell him) it'll come out better on the books to have signed him on a four year contract :D

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The legal maximum contact that can be signed is 5 years if i recall correctly?

it's less for players under 18 - think 3 years.

De Bruyne signed with City for 6 didn't he?

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Not sure but I thought you could sign a contract as long as you like but the club can't enforce anything more than 5 years?

It's all nonsense anyway because if he's any good in 2 years time he'll be bumped up to a massive contract. Still though, £36m + £20m bonuses... that's a hell of a fee.

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Not sure but I thought you could sign a contract as long as you like but the club can't enforce anything more than 5 years?

It's all nonsense anyway because if he's any good in 2 years time he'll be bumped up to a massive contract. Still though, £36m + £20m bonuses... that's a hell of a fee.

As seen with De Gea

Wait...

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Oh dear, LVG's stubbornness is not going to back down over DDG I'm sure (or Valdes).

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The rumoured clauses (take with a pinch of salt of course).

€ 30 million up front, followed by four payments of € 5 million each year in July.

€5 million each time Martial is the top scorer in the Premier League, to a maximum of € 15 million.

Another € 5 million will be due if Martial wins Golden Boy.

The final € 10m will be paid if Martial won the Balon D'or career in Manchester.

No where near as bad as it first sounds (if true), basically if he turns into the best player in the world, then we pay a fee more worthy of the best player in the world.

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The rumoured clauses (take with a pinch of salt of course).

€ 30 million up front, followed by four payments of € 5 million each year in July.

€5 million each time Martial is the top scorer in the Premier League, to a maximum of € 15 million.

Another € 5 million will be due if Martial wins Golden Boy.

The final € 10m will be paid if Martial won the Balon D'or career in Manchester.

No where near as bad as it first sounds (if true), basically if he turns into the best player in the world, then we pay a fee more worthy of the best player in the world.

That doesn't sound too bad. Been blown well out of proportion.

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As seen with De Gea

Wait...

LVG won't be manager by then so there will be no one to pull a contract offer

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We're not going to confirm Martial are we?

We'll wait until 8:01pm to announce it to try get people's excitement to wash over all the disappointment.

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The rumoured clauses (take with a pinch of salt of course).

€ 30 million up front, followed by four payments of € 5 million each year in July.

€5 million each time Martial is the top scorer in the Premier League, to a maximum of € 15 million.

Another € 5 million will be due if Martial wins Golden Boy.

The final € 10m will be paid if Martial won the Balon D'or career in Manchester.

No where near as bad as it first sounds (if true), basically if he turns into the best player in the world, then we pay a fee more worthy of the best player in the world.

Ok, so do they get 50m euro straight up without him doing anything (30m upfront plus the four 5m payments) or am I reading it wrong?

Is it only 30m that's guaranteed?

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Good to see Martial is official. But it looks like the only buy, with so little time left, which is a bit concerning.

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Ok, so do they get 50m euro straight up without him doing anything (30m upfront plus the four 5m payments) or am I reading it wrong?

Is it only 30m that's guaranteed?

€50m, which corresponds to the £36.x figure we've seen. Doesn't sound too bad tbh, IF he turns out to be pretty good. If he's kind of cack, almost £40m is a LOT of dough.

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Good to see Martial is official. But it looks like the only buy, with so little time left, which is a bit concerning.

Very, very concerning given our injury history.

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€50m, which corresponds to the £36.x figure we've seen. Doesn't sound too bad tbh, IF he turns out to be pretty good. If he's kind of cack, almost £40m is a LOT of dough.

It's astonishing that £36m for a 19 year old uncapped, unproven player is now considered not too bad..

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if he flops we'd still probably get 10+ mill for him depending on degree of flop

scousers sold borini for 10m after all :p

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It's astonishing that £36m for a 19 year old uncapped, unproven player is now considered not too bad..

It's a lot ofc, but not as bad as some truly crazy numbers that floated about. Unless he's a sensation, people will laugh, no doubt about it. However, it's not £50-55m.

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if he flops we'd still probably get 10+ mill for him depending on degree of flop

scousers sold borini for 10m after all :p

And we sold Hernandez for £7.3m. We'd give away Borini for free tbh.

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Well the Neville's like Martial

Former Manchester United defender Phil Neville is currently assistant coach at Valencia, who knocked Monaco out of the Champions League this season and has witnessed Anthony Martial first hand.

“Of the two games and video footage I witnessed of him he is a top, top striker," Neville told Football Focus.

"He is quick, he is strong and likes to drift out to the left. When you are sat on the bench and every time he got the ball I thought, no, get the ball away from him! He looks so dangerous and so direct.

"He is perfectly suited for the Premier League. I think it is a very good signing. It is a lot of money. Everybody in Spain can’t believe the amount spent in England, they can’t stop laughing at the fees we pay."

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€50m, which corresponds to the £36.x figure we've seen. Doesn't sound too bad tbh, IF he turns out to be pretty good. If he's kind of cack, almost £40m is a LOT of dough.

Woopsie :D

Fee for Martial is less than £25million including the add-ons. Can't believe some people believed the £36million + up to £20million add-ons stories. Clearly just Monaco trying to lessen the blow to their supporters.

Also seen the fee for De Gea is €35million, which is £25.5million.

Tom's shagging Woodward, classic case of pillow talk here

Clearly Tom was playing footsies with Ed's stable hand :brock:

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