Razzler Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I'd rather have Giggs in charge than LVG Haha, Giggs Get Ole Solkjaer back, he's bound to be a great manager cause you like him I'll say with a degree of confidence that I don't think Giggs will ever get the United job, as in be appointed United manager not filling in for a few games like before (he was great then, wasn't he) United are now on this cycle that all the mega clubs are on of bringing a manager in to get results and being shipped out in 2-4 years depending on the level of that success. Giggs is not gonna fit into that Can kiss 'youth coming through' goodbye as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 So much hate for United, Razzle. Is it Neymar contract renewal time already? Feels like he just signed for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Seriously? That's not hate at all! Hope you do well in Europe but the Giggs for Manager love is stupid (I realise it's Sid). He has done nothing to really demonstrate he'd be any kind of good manager and these days United will not be the place for him to get his training wheels With the money being chucked around and inevitable revolving door of managers on the horizon no manager will care about youth. It'll be like Chelsea, no path to the first team, the odd one may appear and disappear but that can't be the empthasis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Why do we need to spend 40 mill odd on Kane when there is a ex striker of ours who has no club in Berbatov Surely gotta be better than Rooney currently, wou;ld actually stay as the lone striker, albeit more from lazyness to move but still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 LvG's tactics are weird. We went for it in the first 20 minutes, then had a load of boring football until the last 20 minutes when we went for it again. If we don't get an early goal he just tries to shut up shop and nick a 1-0, it's quite baffling. Has he always been like that? We were unlucky not to win on Saturday though, Rooney's goal should have stood, Hernandez should have scored and Smalling was unlucky. Would have been 2 or 3-0 on another day. I like playing Januzaj and think he can be a good player for us but we would have won that game easily if we had Pedro on the wing instead of him. It makes it even weirder to think that we didn't go all out to get him, especially when we were so close to making a deal. On the Giggs comments, he must be embarrassed to be associated with this football at the moment, wouldn't surprise me if he left at the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 We were unlucky not to win on Saturday though, Rooney's goal should have stood No it shouldn't have. Howard Webb in his little truck proved it was the correct decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Since the City game last season we've only scored 5 League goals. 5 league goals in 9 games really isn't very good, is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Since the City game last season we've only scored 5 League goals.5 league goals in 9 games really isn't very good, is it? Been tight at the back though..that's all that matters! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 LvG's tactics are weird. We went for it in the first 20 minutes, then had a load of boring football until the last 20 minutes when we went for it again. There are more than 2 teams in a football match. Newcastle adapted and then got tired at the end. We "went for it" because those were the periods when Newcastle played badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Don't worry folks, come the end of the window our lineup will be de Gea Darmian Smalling Blind Shaw Herrera Schneiderlin Neymar Mata Bale Muller League is ours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Nah, he won't start Herrera Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 No it shouldn't have.Howard Webb in his little truck proved it was the correct decision. Really? What did he say that proves it's the correct decision? All I've seen is a picture showing him in line with the defender. There are more than 2 teams in a football match. Newcastle adapted and then got tired at the end. We "went for it" because those were the periods when Newcastle played badly. More than 2 teams in a football match?! Our football completely changed, it must have come from the manager. I like LvG but the team needs to start performing as they should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebsy Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2015/Aug/Memphis-Depay-says-he-is-learning-from-Wayne-Rooney.aspx Explains why he was so **** at the weekend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 More than 2 teams in a football match?! Our football completely changed, it must have come from the manager. I like LvG but the team needs to start performing as they should. It did, Pardew. The problem was our football *didn't* change when Newcastle's did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 It did, Pardew. The problem was our football *didn't* change when Newcastle's did. I do get the impression that all LVG's subs are preplanned and not in relation to what's happening on the pitch.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Then you must have been very selective, because even his agent basically said we dicked around for too long and blew it. Damnit Ed. Put it in the hole and start pumping Since the City game last season we've only scored 5 League goals.5 league goals in 9 games really isn't very good, is it? 5 league goals in 5 months is dire tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I wouldn't care if it was 5 games over 5 years, the fact remains - we're not scoring or creating clear chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 We blatently changed formation when Carrick came on. That's why we played better. The worrying thing is we looked far from sharp when we were dominating in the last 20 minutes of the game with lots of missed passes and players losing the ball. I will withhold ultimate judgement on LvG until 10 games in and his style of football might suit European football but I'm starting to think the guy is senile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Can we rename this the Arsenal United 2015/16 thread? It's the spiritual successor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Reading the comments on here (mine included), this quote is quite apt: "Louis van Gaal has been a very good coach in many clubs but his style is very difficult. He is very tough, people don't like him, but he wins. And one day you don't win - and when you don't win, everybody that is angry with you will come back to you and try to kill you." Ferran Soriano, LVG's vice president at Barcelona Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio_V Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 C Don't worry folks, come the end of the window our lineup will bede Gea Darmian Smalling Blind Shaw Herrera Schneiderlin Neymar Mata Bale Muller League is ours. No Valencia? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 We blatently changed formation when Carrick came on. That's why we played better. The worrying thing is we looked far from sharp when we were dominating in the last 20 minutes of the game with lots of missed passes and players losing the ball. I will withhold ultimate judgement on LvG until 10 games in and his style of football might suit European football but I'm starting to think the guy is senile. we didn't change formation at all, it was still the same 4-2-3-1. personnel is the main reason we played better: carrick actually passed forward instead of sideways, and hernandez actually got involved and made some runs, creating a bit more space for memphis and mata around him. 9 times out of 10 hernandez puts that chance he had into the back of the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 in fact here's the difference hernandez makes: https://youtu.be/vElN9W7eDP0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
managerdude_66 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Don't worry folks, come the end of the window our lineup will bede Gea Neymar Smalling Blind Bale Rooney Schneiderlin Valencia Mata Young Muller League is ours. CNo Valencia? Fixed that for ya Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Just remembered, Adnan dives all the ****ing time. Chicha should start. He scores goals and creates problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
akura Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I have rooney in my fantasy team, too scared to take him out because I know as soon as I do he'll go on a scoring run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Button Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 I have rooney in my fantasy team, too scared to take him out because I know as soon as I do he'll go on a scoring run. Then please take him out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 So apparently after faffing about splitting hairs over a €30m deal for Pedro, we've only gone and offered ONEHUNDREDFORTYMILLIONPOUNDSSTERLING for Neymar Suuuuuuuuuure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 yes take him out so I get more fantasy points as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 £140m? Globo either pulling numbers out of their arse, or they've got somebody from Neymar's team briefing them in an attempt to force a bid. Either way it's clearly nonsense on United's side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 why would you bid £140m on a player who has a Buyout clause of only £132.4m? unless you are David Moyes >.> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 why would you bid £140m on a player who has a Buyout clause of only £132.4m?unless you are David Moyes >.> Maybe because they understand how buyout clauses work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 really? because Pedro had one and we bid under it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 And where is Pedro? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 at Chelsea... because we didn't pay the asking price... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Well, asking prices and buyout clauses arnt the same thing. Without getting into the legitimacy of the Neymar story his buyout clause isn't a case of Man Utd offering whatever it happens to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 £140m!? like ****. If you're willing to pay that for Neymar, you might as well stick another 60 on it and give Barca something to think about with Messi. Hell, I'm pretty sure that money would definitely get Bale and probably get you Ronaldo back. What a farce this club has become Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 #playchicharito Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Ronaldo has a buyout clause that far exceeds those sums stick 40m on it and that would be enough for messi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Ronaldo has a buyout clause that far exceeds those sums stick 40m on it and that would be enough for messi I'll make this as absolutely simple and clear as possible: THE BUY OUT CLAUSES MEAN ABSOLUTELY AND EXACTLY NOTHING, ESPECIALLY TO FOREIGN TEAMS There. Better? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted August 24, 2015 Author Share Posted August 24, 2015 What does a buyout clause do then? If you match it the club still doesn't have to sell? EDIT: Is it the player that has to pay the buyout clause, not the buying club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crplz Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 What does a buyout clause do then? If you match it the club still doesn't have to sell?EDIT: Is it the player that has to pay the buyout clause, not the buying club? Spanish buyout clauses only apply to other Spanish teams. Though, obviously, often times Spanish clubs will sell to foreign clubs if the buyout is matched anyway. But they don't have to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Spanish buyout clauses only apply to other Spanish teams.Though, obviously, often times Spanish clubs will sell to foreign clubs if the buyout is matched anyway. But they don't have to. Pretty sure the buyout clauses don't even apply for Spanish teams like they are applied in FM. For foreign teams, they might as well not exist. The player has to pay the clause, which means the team would give the player the money with a whole hell of a lot on top to cover taxes on the payment. The clause is most often a sign of how high the club values a player, pretty sure there were reports of Ronaldo demanding a higher clause than Messi had to show he was the most valuable player in the world So again, the buyout clause means absolutely nothing when it comes to us wanting a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy Howard Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 What does a buyout clause do then? If you match it the club still doesn't have to sell?EDIT: Is it the player that has to pay the buyout clause, not the buying club? Not sure if its world wide but with Spanish players, they are the ones that effectively have to pay the buyout clause with heavy tax added on top. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_T Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 it's like this: technically spanish clubs have to accept if the buyout is met, though wording in contracts can differ. between two spanish clubs it's normally a very straightforward process. between spanish and foreign clubs the selling club technically has to accept the offer, but they don't have to sell for that amount if they want to be difficult or are reluctant to let the player go (see: almost all athletic bilbao deals). then if the player insists on leaving still, he can buy out his own contract, depositing the money himself with the spanish authorities. that's where an extremely complex tax situation arises, and the amount of tax that needs paying varies and involves all kinds of assessments from accountants and lawyers. so ultimately it can cost the foreign club a fair bit more than the stated buyout fee once all that's been sorted out. however if you've got really good lawyers, like bayern munich have, you can find ways of getting around it as i believe they did regarding javi martinez. it's a long, drawn-out, messy process though, so that's where good relations are important (see: chelsea and atletico's relationship making it easier for all involved). in pedro's case: his buyout clause was met, but that's not really the important part ultimately. his clause was reduced to €30m on agreement between pedro and barcelona after pedro said he wanted to leave to get regular football. luis enrique allowed it, barcelona were happy with it. chelsea paid €27m + €3m variables with no tax implications necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sned Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 £140m!? like ****. If you're willing to pay that for Neymar, you might as well stick another 60 on it and give Barca something to think about with Messi. On a tangent slightly, but do you think Barcelona would be tempted to accept a £200m bid for Messi? I guess much would depend on his willingness (or not) to leave, but surely he is the closest thing to a priceless player, even if an unbelievable amount like £200m+ was offered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 On a tangent slightly, but do you think Barcelona would be tempted to accept a £200m bid for Messi?I guess much would depend on his willingness (or not) to leave, but surely he is the closest thing to a priceless player, even if an unbelievable amount like £200m+ was offered. Quite frankly they'd be stupid to sell at any price unless they are going bankrupt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 more "transfer news": United now chasing De Bruyne... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bliss Seeker Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 On a tangent slightly, but do you think Barcelona would be tempted to accept a £200m bid for Messi?I guess much would depend on his willingness (or not) to leave, but surely he is the closest thing to a priceless player, even if an unbelievable amount like £200m+ was offered. Haven't a clue, but a suitcase with £200m in it in front of the money men will definitely make them think. Money doesn't seem to be an issue for Utd, might as well up it to £300m. Go crazy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 If we don't get an early goal he just tries to shut up shop and nick a 1-0, it's quite baffling. Has he always been like that? It's tournament football....club football at the very highest level has left him behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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