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I am by no means comparing the two as players but one Thierry Henry had a pretty loose first touch when he first joined.

Oh man, I don't remember what Henry was like for us before he turned into superman, anymore lol

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on an unrelated note, what do arsenal fans think about jack wilshere and also woj sczeszny?

Woj is still young for a Goalkeeper but I don't think he'll ever be good enough for us - Cech should hopefully last at least another 2/3 years. Wilshere's a good squad player because he's HG and has obvious talent/potential, but he's injury prone and I don't ever see him being a regular first team performer and living up to the potential and hype he had when he first came on the scene. I don't think we should get rid though as he's a decent player to have about - although if he spends another year or two mostly sidelined then questions really have to be asked as it's a waste of a squad place and money keeping him to ultimately do nothing.

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Did you miss the part where we didn't splash our money on Suarez or Higuain in 2013 because it would have been too risky or they're not worth the money, or whatever?

Higuain isn't elite and would still represent a significant risk for the money he'd cost. We tried to get Suarez but were mislead about the release clause. I have absolutely no issue with how we dealt with that particular transfer.

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We dealt with the Suarez transfer horrendously. Offering £40M+£1 was ****ing moronic and basically sums up the mindset of the club. If we'd just offered £45M then haggled up to£50M or £55M for him we would have got him. We put that offer in and immediately ruined any chance of a deal with Liverpool. Liverpool have to take some criticism for a misleading release clause of course, but I'd much rather see us behave like that when selling a player ourselves, rather than just giving up and letting a player go. We got like what £35M for Cesc? Daniel Levy would've got at least £50M for him.

The one thing I would say about Suarez is that I think discussing him is kind of irrelevant anyway. Even if we had have signed him in the summer of 2013 I think he'd still be a Barcelona or Real Madrid player right now regardless - they'd have turned his head when he put in great performances and we'd have lost him by now or at the very least this summer. Probably would've barely made that much of a profit on him as well. Although if we won a league title in the last few years with him - who cares I guess?

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We were lead to believe the release clause was above £40m, so why would we offer £5m more than the release clause?

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Higuain isn't elite and would still represent a significant risk for the money he'd cost. We tried to get Suarez but were mislead about the release clause. I have absolutely no issue with how we dealt with that particular transfer.

We didn't want Suarez enough did we? It's not like we offered Liverpool 60m and they turned us down. We thought there was an opportunity to sign a great player at a lower than expected price through some kind of loophole with the release clause. It turned out to be wrong. And we stopped right there. We'd never have gone for him if we didn't think there was a clause there. That's our mentality: opportunistic. We didn't go chasing Cech, or Ozil, or Sanchez, just as we didn't go chasing after Suarez. That's the problem.

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We dealt with the Suarez transfer horrendously. Offering £40M+£1 was ****ing moronic and basically sums up the mindset of the club. If we'd just offered £45M then haggled up to£50M or £55M for him we would have got him. We put that offer in and immediately ruined any chance of a deal with Liverpool. Liverpool have to take some criticism for a misleading release clause of course, but I'd much rather see us behave like that when selling a player ourselves, rather than just giving up and letting a player go. We got like what £35M for Cesc? Daniel Levy would've got at least £50M for him.

The one thing I would say about Suarez is that I think discussing him is kind of irrelevant anyway. Even if we had have signed him in the summer of 2013 I think he'd still be a Barcelona or Real Madrid player right now regardless - they'd have turned his head when he put in great performances and we'd have lost him by now or at the very least this summer. Probably would've barely made that much of a profit on him as well. Although if we won a league title in the last few years with him - who cares I guess?

Exactly. Liverpool in 13/14 had a god awful defense, and they were chasing the title. We had an in-form Ramsey, and our GK won the Golden Glove. Think what he could have done for us.

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There are the obvious ones in Europe like Suarez, Lewandowski, Aubameyang, Benzema etc who are the top tier of strikers. Then you've got the likes of Dybala, Morata and Higuain. Although I don't rate Higuain that highly and maintain that he wouldn't be a great fit for Arsenal and the Premier League.

In the Premier League the three main ones I'd have over Welbeck are Kane, Aguero and Sturridge. Lukaku obviously provides a greater goal threat but I don't think a player with his touch and movement can make it at a top club.

I've probably missed some out and there are some that are probably at the level of Welbeck which I didn't bother in mentioning.

I was wondering if you'd mention Ibra. He's available to sign for a free this summer. Do you not think he's good enough?

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I was wondering if you'd mention Ibra. He's available to sign for a free this summer. Do you not think he's good enough?

Not doubting his ability, but I wouldn't like him. Just personal preference, really. I'd like to see us play with more pace and power in the team.

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If Suarez could turn that mediocre Liverpool side into a team that almost won the league, we'd have coasted it that season with him. He was an absolute beast that season and the biggest impact on a team by a single player I've ever seen. He'd have been worth every penny of £60m.

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We were lead to believe the release clause was above £40m, so why would we offer £5m more than the release clause?

We should have at least offered £41M as our first offer. If they refused to sell him based on the release clause then we should have just kept going up and up until they couldn't say no. Even at £60M he would have been excellent value for money for the two seasons we would've got out of him before he ****ed off to Barcelona or Real Madrid.

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I still don't get this if the release clause was met how could Liverpool refuse? Or did they have a verbal understanding with him?

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IIRC it was a very vaguely worded clause along the lines of Liverpool had to consider offers over £40m. I seem to remember Suarez's agent getting a bit of grief over it.

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Ahhh ok and Arsenal came in at 40 000 001?

Yeah. Immediately completely mugging Liverpool off. They still would've sold him to us if we'd offered enough, but that insulting offer would have no doubt put the price tag up even higher than it would have been anyway.

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If Suarez could turn that mediocre Liverpool side into a team that almost won the league, we'd have coasted it that season with him. He was an absolute beast that season and the biggest impact on a team by a single player I've ever seen. He'd have been worth every penny of £60m.

Exactly. IMHO, Suarez 13/14 was the single best season I've ever seen anyone have in the EPL. Better than even Henry. It wasn't just the 31 goals in 33 games (I don't think he took one penalty either, cos Gerrard took them) either. It was everything.

It wasn't just one season either. The guy was killing it since Copa America 2011. Once he finally adjusted to the league, he was already scoring 20+ goals the season before.

So yeah, I think it is valid to accuse the club of not chasing after top class striker when we had the chance.

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We should have at least offered £41M as our first offer. If they refused to sell him based on the release clause then we should have just kept going up and up until they couldn't say no. Even at £60M he would have been excellent value for money for the two seasons we would've got out of him before he ****ed off to Barcelona or Real Madrid.

Sorry, we should have offered £1m more than the asking price why exactly?

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I was wondering if you'd mention Ibra. He's available to sign for a free this summer. Do you not think he's good enough?

Ibra is excellent but his wages and his feelings towards Wenger put him in the unrealistic category

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Ibra is excellent but his wages and his feelings towards Wenger put him in the unrealistic category

I don't think he has any bad feelings towards Wenger having read his book. Zlatan just doesn't do auditions!

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Sorry, we should have offered £1m more than the asking price why exactly?

We should have signed him. What are you smoking over there?

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So we should offered way more than the 'release clause' just because?

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Even John Henry said clearly there was a clause but because he felt contracts were useless he decided not to sell? Should Arsenal have wasted 6 months going to court? Then Gerrard convinced Suarez to stay anyway. What a weird thing to bash the club on as Liverpool had no intention to sell him to us.

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Yes' date=' get the deal done and get the title won.[/quote']

Ahhhh get it done. We should just get it done. Like on FIFA. Or FM

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Which big club would purposely pay £5-10m than a clearly stated release clause just to look purposeful?

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Which big club would purposely pay £5-10m than a clearly stated release clause just to look purposeful?

There wasn't a clearly stated release clause.

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Sorry, we should have offered £1m more than the asking price why exactly?

Adding an extra £1 is insulting. If we had a release clause for bids over £30M for Cesc and Barcelona offered £30M+£1 we'd rightfully think they were smug *****.

If we'd offered enough money we'd have got Suarez. We had the money so there was no excuse not to go for it. As someone else said though we're not aggressive in the transfer market we just take advantage of situations that randomly pop up like Ozil, Alexis and Cech.

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Adding an extra £1 is insulting. If we had a release clause for bids over £30M for Cesc and Barcelona offered £30M+£1 we'd rightfully think they were smug *****.

If we'd offered enough money we'd have got Suarez. We had the money so there was no excuse not to go for it. As someone else said though we're not aggressive in the transfer market we just take advantage of situations that randomly pop up like Ozil, Alexis and Cech.

If its a proper release clause there is nothing a club should be able to do about it. Id happily pay just £1 over to talk to the player and then tell him and his agent the extra £10m saved will go on their wages/agents fee. That should be enough to turn the players head.

With Suarez I feel he would have ended up at Barca regardless of what we bid.

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If its a proper release clause there is nothing a club should be able to do about it. Id happily pay just £1 over to talk to the player and then tell him and his agent the extra £10m saved will go on their wages/agents fee. That should be enough to turn the players head.

With Suarez I feel he would have ended up at Barca regardless of what we bid.

Not in 2013. Suarez didn't yet have his best season, and Barcelona hadn't put together the money to acquire him yet.

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I think the main barrier to us getting Suarez was that we weren't a big enough lure for him. If it had been Barcelona calling he may have kicked up more of a fuss when his release clause was met and demanded that Liverpool let him go. If his intention was to join one of the mega clubs he may have felt that joining Arsenal would hinder that move and staying put at Liverpool was the best choice at that time.

It would have been great to have got him but that is also speaking from hindsight as none of us knew quite how devastating he would be in the season that followed.

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True, it would have been difficult. We would have had to throw silly money at him, which would still be worth it.

While it is true that we had no idea he was going to have the season he did in 13/14, his past record was enough. He was already a 20+ league goal striker, that brought way more than just goals. Been Liverpool's top scorer and best player. Already part of the PFA team of the year in 12/13. I mean, I became his fan when I saw his Copa America 2011 performance. This guy was performing at a high level for years before he reached new heights in 13/14.

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Have you guys seen this:

:D

It was plastered all over Facebook this morning by my Spurs supporting friends.

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Heh. Linking it to the Barcelona game is a bit odd seeing as that's the one game recently you can't really accuse us of choking :D

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You have Spurs supporting friends? :herman:

I've alienated all potential friends who supported Spurs with my relentless and often deeply offsensive **** taking.

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That tweet shown towards the end "Specialist in Arsenal" is brilliant :D

Also, did ajw just dismiss Higuian and say he'd be happy to go into next season with Danny Welbeck as plan A? Arsene Wenger in disguise?!

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No, to be fair, he meant he'd like a better striker, but does believe there is any available (Higuain dismissed as a bad match) so Welbeck is the best we can have. He would rather us focus on acquiring players in positions where better players are available.

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Yep, precisely.

Any top striker, whilst welcome, would just paper over the giant crack that is our midfield. We can't control football matches and that's our biggest problem as it stands

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In Portugal they would have been slammed for being so happy after basically throwing away another meaningless season.

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Mesut is prepping his new best French mate, since Flamini will be leaving at the end of the season

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Is Macey that **** that he couldn't come on for 20 minutes? Ospina looks dodgy. Apparently we have a recall clause for Martinez so should be alright if he's gonna be out for a bit.

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Lukaku 0-1 Welbeck

While I'm a fan of Welbeck too, hardly fair to compare when their teams are setup completely differently.

That said, Welbeck played great today, especially that first half! Goal was succulent!

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