Guest Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Many years ago I was trying to convince Arsenal supporting friends that allowing Wenger to leave for Madrid when all that talk was going about was a good move for the club, that still hasn't changed as the club have not progressed & there are no signs that Wenger has the answers. If being a short odds also-ran is acceptable then keeping Wenger is the way to go, a club the size of Arsenal should be more ambitious but I've always held the view that many of the supporters & more importantly the management are/were too fearful of change, they are the prototypical Premier League gravy train outfit that will not risk a drop in income when there is no tangible financial gain for winning trophies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RubenJ Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Does anyone know what our conversion rate is at the moment? It feels like we need to create 10 good chances for one goal. I mean, we're still creating chances, we're just not finishing them off. The difference between our conversion rate, and the league average must be massive, I'd imagine. We always seem to create better chances first, fail to score, then concede. I mean, the difference between going ahead and chasing the game, game after game, is pretty big. And in every striker comparison thread, it's always the Arsenal fans going "scoring goals is not everything for a striker" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Yes Arsenal should be challenging for the title nearly every season. Since the last time Arsenal won the league United have won 5 titles, Chelsea 4 and City 2. The paymasters say there is money to spend yet the gaping holes that existed 3 seasons ago still exist. It's made all the worse when you consider that Leicster might just win it with a fraction of the budget Arsenal have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Hang on a minute, has it just been implied that we're fickle and ungrateful? Really? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I have to say I don't really get the anti-Wenger vibes. I don't support Arsenal and I don't particularly like Wenger but I am puzzled at the willingness of so many Arsenal fans to see him go after everything he has done for the club. I think you will comfortably finish in the top four and even if you are not challenging for the league title this year, even if you you go out of the Champions League this week (which looks likely), you will not be far off and still have the Champions League and another tilt at the cups and league next year.If Wenger leaves, there is no guarantee that in the change-over turmoil that a different manager brings that he will keep you in the top four. I think it would be a huge gamble. This kind of mentality is why Arsenal will never win the league again under Wenger. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 And in every striker comparison thread, it's always the Arsenal fans going "scoring goals is not everything for a striker" It's not just the strikers though. Eleny couldn't convert two good chances against Watford. Not even testing the GK really. Sanchez and Ramsey have probably been more guilty than anyone. Ramsey is getting just as many chances as ever, but he simply isn't finishing like he was 2 seasons ago. Even Monreal lol. Giroud his usual inconsistent self (could see it coming from a mile away, but now that Welbeck is back, maybe he can be rested now.) Seriously though, it's like the entire team just forgot how to finish. I don't know what's up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 This kind of mentality is why Arsenal will never win the league again under Wenger. The guy you quoted is not an Arsenal fan... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezer Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I know, he said it himself in the post I quoted. Doesn't make my point any less valid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 For almost a decade we've argued in this thread between ourselves, with people, including myself, vehemently defending Wenger saying how we can't realistically compete with oil money at City, blood money at Chelsea, commercial money at United - yet this season all three of those teams have been much worse than us and we've somehow still fallen short of what it takes to win the title. Liverpool partly disproved Wenger's arguments about not being able to compete a few seasons ago - they eventually fell short of winning the league, but Leicester City have proven this season that all this time Wenger was talking ****. They're about to win the league, not with oil money, not blood money, not commercial money - but crisp money. I genuinely believe that Leicester and Spurs could both lose their last 8 games (they obviously won't but playing devil's advocate) and we still wouldn't win the league. West Ham would probably end up winning it. This team that Wenger has assembled is full of mentally weak spineless bottlers. Our players are the sort to Instagram or Tweet something like "RARING TO GO FOR THE GAME TODAY!!!" then in the game itself they don't show up - no fight, no spine, no bottle. The majority of our players are basically the thirsty guys who message girls on Tinder stuff like "I'm gonna ****ing destroy you tonight. You won't get any sleep tonight x" then when it comes down to it they last 10 seconds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 They're about to win the league, not with oil money, not blood money, not commercial money - but crisp money. Let's be honest, you wrote that whole rant just to say that line... didn't you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Let's be honest, you wrote that whole rant just to say that line... didn't you! I can't even claim credit for it, shamelessly stolen from an ArsenalFanTV interview with that guy who made the Wenger banner. It is a bloody great line though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted March 14, 2016 Author Share Posted March 14, 2016 I have to say I don't really get the anti-Wenger vibes. I don't support Arsenal and I don't particularly like Wenger but I am puzzled at the willingness of so many Arsenal fans to see him go after everything he has done for the club. I think you will comfortably finish in the top four and even if you are not challenging for the league title this year, even if you you go out of the Champions League this week (which looks likely), you will not be far off and still have the Champions League and another tilt at the cups and league next year.If Wenger leaves, there is no guarantee that in the change-over turmoil that a different manager brings that he will keep you in the top four. I think it would be a huge gamble. Leicester are about to win the league and you are saying that Wenger is doing a good job? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Since the 1st of December we've picked up the exact same number of points as Chelsea Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bootador Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I can't even claim credit for it, shamelessly stolen from an ArsenalFanTV interview with that guy who made the Wenger banner. It is a bloody great line though I've just found out the King Power isn't what the KP abbreviation in KP Nuts is for... so the Crisp-Nut Axis of Evil doesn't even hold true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I can't remember the last time I felt this way about a game. A game we literally have no chance of winning and will very likely lose badly. I don't even know if I want to watch it. A mix of genuine fear and apathy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I don't want to watch it but I will. I'm just hoping we don't embarrass ourselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I don't want to watch it but I will. I'm just hoping we don't embarrass ourselves. This. I can't help but watch it. I think it might be a draw, just like it was in the 2nd leg game of Barca vs Valencia? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I don't know the press conferences have worried me. They're all talking about how we're gonna go and attack them. I mean yeah in theory that's better than a defeatist attitude and it would be amazing if the first 20 minutes went like the game against United at the Emirates, but we're at the Nou Camp and dreadfully out off form. If by attack them they mean leave a stupidly high line and not bother defending then it could be like Chelsea and Liverpool thrashing us again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 This could easily be like the away game against Bayern earlier in the season, except worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky9334 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Genuinely think it'll be 5 or 6 myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 And what would a hammering do to this team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 It should've been 4 in the first leg and we actually played and defended reasonably well (for us) in that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky9334 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 And what would a hammering do to this team? Don't think confidence can get any lower anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retro Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Reporter: "What's your prediction for the fight?" Clubber Lang: "Prediction?........ Pain" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Just watch as we actually pull out a goal victory because there is "no pressure" on us to do well anymore lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 It is at least impossible for us to go out on away goals tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Flamini isn't going to start tonight is he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Imagine starting Flamini at the Nou Camp. That's like wearing a Lonsdale tracksuit to your wedding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Oh yes he is!!!!!!! Iwobi starts too, has Wenger lost all faith in Walcott? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 If Chambers is fit why the **** is he not even making the bench Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris79 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Iwobi, Gabriel and Flamini starting, Campbell on the bench, Chambers not making the squad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Big fan of Iwobi, finally a wide player with a bit of intelligence? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Big fan of Iwobi, finally a wide player with a bit of intelligence? As an Arsenal player probably not & if he does show any early signs of football intelligence that'll be coached out of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Don't think Wenger has ever coached a player out of intelligence but you can try again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 He's not imparted much on players recently, he appears to encourage instinctive play that is beautiful to watch when everything works but I'd say that Arsenal have lacked match intelligence over recent years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Can't fault the intent of the players for once, shame our finishing is **** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Need to drop some serious coin on some strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 The most gutting thing about that result is that we actually had the chances to somehow pull it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Need to drop some serious coin on some strikers. A striker isn't going to win us leagues. Why is Gabriel still starting games for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vynal Seven Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Why is Gabriel still starting games for us? Barca started Mathieu, fairs fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 A striker isn't going to win us leagues.Why is Gabriel still starting games for us? Considering goals win games having someone better than Giroud & healthier than Welbeck has to be a priority for you in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Considering goals win games having someone better than Giroud & healthier than Welbeck has to be a priority for you in the summer. Nope. The priority has to be CM. And maybe a ball playing CB if Wenger doesn't trust Chambers. We can't build effective attacks and we don't exploit and defend space to any sort of high standard. We have much more pressing issues than who plays up front. I don't get the Welbeck comment either. He has had one big injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 A striker isn't going to win us leagues. You are kidding yourself if you think the likes of Giroud and Walcott are going to win us the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 We have much more pressing issues than who plays up front. Have a look at the number of chances Ozil has created this season. It is just criminal that we don't have anyone in the squad who has cashed in this season and piled up the goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 You are kidding yourself if you think the likes of Giroud and Walcott are going to win us the league. No, but Alexis can. We can't win the league with Gabriel and Coquelin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I don't get the Welbeck comment either. He has had one big injury.Record has all the hallmarks of a player with the onset of chronic knee problems.http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/danny-welbeck/verletzungen/spieler/67063 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 For me a Cb, Cm and striker are all equally priorities. But the obvious problem remains. Does Wenger recognise that, is he prepared to pay and are there players of the level of quality the fans desire who are prepared to come here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 No, but Alexis can. Alexis has been dire this season, a very Wenger-esque attitude you are adopting here. Lets get in proven goal scorers and stop doing this thing of "oh player x might come good if we given them long enough". Alexis has had this season playing next to Europe's best playmaker, he hasn't scored the goals we've needed, that's more than enough of a chance, time for us to act like a big club and spend the money required to get in proper goalscorers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 Record has all the hallmarks of a player with the onset of chronic knee problems.http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/danny-welbeck/verletzungen/spieler/67063 Five year gap between knee injuries. The patella injury was what he had surgery on, so to my knowledge he's had one serious knee injury at Arsenal, and one serious knee injury in five years. Forgive me if I'm not ready to label him injury prone just quite yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 For me a Cb, Cm and striker are all equally priorities. But the obvious problem remains. Does Wenger recognise that, is he prepared to pay and are there players of the level of quality the fans desire who are prepared to come here? Attracting players shouldn't be an issues, the club ticks every box for a player not already at an elite club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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