Sparky9334 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 We have.. although all under 18 and unlikely to play in the first team this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Just read on Sky Sports that Arsenal are the only club in the top five leagues to not sign an outfield player? Good effort Arsene. On top of that, only Norwich have spent less in the prem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 We have.. although all under 18 and unlikely to play in the first team this season Are you suggesting Jeff isn't going to be an integral part of our season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky9334 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 He'll play one league cup game.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 He'll play one league cup game.... Against Spurs then we are knocked out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky9334 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Against Spurs then we are knocked out? Probably. He might get a few games close ot the end of the season once we've wrapped up the 3rd & 4th place trophies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arsenalthebest Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Arsenal play good football under Wenger, always top 4 there is no guarantee someone else takes over spends more money by signing the players you want to see at Arsenal and plays same attractive football and finished top 4 every year. no we don't our football recently has been poor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky9334 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Tony not watched us in the last 2 years Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 We haven't played attractive football since Cesc left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 We have played it in spurts but far from consistently. Little consistency in line up has hampered it massively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 And Nasri as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Between that time and now are best football has been played when Rosicky and Wilshere was in the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsenalFan7 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Relying on Coquelin for another season :o Someone should check ajw is okay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 At least it's over. Can't remember the last time we went into the market with so much hope and expectation only to be so disappointed. The fact that this is our best team in a while, in a season where most of our rivals are rebuilding, makes it all the more frustrating. Lets win the league! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Season we signed Ozil is a variation of this it's just this year we brought in the world class player at the beginning of the summer rather than the end. The summer we sold Cesc was meant to see lots of positive action but Wenger crumbled and it all occurred right at the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary_Parker Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Arsenal to be one dimensional, completely predictable and poor to watch until January at least then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Relying on Coquelin for another season :o Someone should check ajw is okay I've already accepted that we're going to finish 3rd/4th and that Ramsey is going to ask for a transfer due to being fed up of playing on the wing. Embarrassing from the club to not be able to identify a single outfield player who could improve us. Wenger would rather do things his way and lose rather than compromise and win and it's costing us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 We must be the most conservative big club in the world, when it comes to transfers. Arsenal to be one dimensional, completely predictable and poor to watch until January at least then? To be fair, that has far more to do with how our current players are playing than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I wonder, are we so poor we can't afford any longshot gamble? The sure thing isn't available so we're stuck with two unappetizing options: 1. Stick with the same group of players that have proven in the past unable to compete with the best, and hoping that another year together will actually improve them to the point where they can compete with the best 2. Risk 20-40m on a player who might do next to nothing for us, turn out only as good as the others we have, or he might be the difference for us. Have our finances not improved to the point where in a summer where there's no good option for us to go all out on, we can't gamble with 30m? That a risky 30m today would drastically reduce our spending power in the summers to come? If this is the case, then our financial power is much further behind the top European clubs than I thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I've already accepted that we're going to finish 3rd/4th and that Ramsey is going to ask for a transfer due to being fed up of playing on the wing.Embarrassing from the club to not be able to identify a single outfield player who could improve us. Wenger would rather do things his way and lose rather than compromise and win and it's costing us. Sanchez and Ozill won't be far behind him asking to get out either if we continue to not even try and compete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I've already accepted that we're going to finish 3rd/4th and that Ramsey is going to ask for a transfer due to being fed up of playing on the wing.Embarrassing from the club to not be able to identify a single outfield player who could improve us. Wenger would rather do things his way and lose rather than compromise and win and it's costing us. ffs It is a massive leap from Ramsey not playing in the position he wants (which is partly down to his own difficulties) to him wanting to leave. Plenty of players have not been able to play the positions they want before and they haven't asked to leave. I do agree that it is extraordinary that we haven't found a better DM and it is unclear how much is down to scouting and how much unwillingness to find an option. I back the latter more than the former though I have my doubts on our scouting but I think this is more of the typical Wenger having too much faith thing more than this Wenger would rather lose than compromise rubbish. I wonder, are we so poor we can't afford any longshot gamble? The sure thing isn't available so we're stuck with two unappetizing options:1. Stick with the same group of players that have proven in the past unable to compete with the best, and hoping that another year together will actually improve them to the point where they can compete with the best 2. Risk 20-40m on a player who might do next to nothing for us, turn out only as good as the others we have, or he might be the difference for us. Have our finances not improved to the point where in a summer where there's no good option for us to go all out on, we can't gamble with 30m? That a risky 30m today would drastically reduce our spending power in the summers to come? If this is the case, then our financial power is much further behind the top European clubs than I thought. We can gamble more than say Spurs but less than Man U. In case one we have no idea if this whole squad can compete over a season as we have never managed to get enough of it consistently out for a whole season so we have little idea how good it really is. We can risk that money in terms of fees that is rarely an issue it is the wages. If they want a fair bit of money then we are stuck with them on the wage bill and we can't do that we have to be more efficient about that than Man U or City that is where we are behind. We can't really stick them in the reserves and/or give them a big pay off without it being a reasonably significant financial liability. Sanchez and Ozill won't be far behind him asking to get out either if we continue to not even try and compete. Let's wait to see what happens rather than worrying about things which we have no clue over whether they'll happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Let's wait to see what happens rather than worrying about things which we have no clue over whether they'll happen The last 10 years give me a good idea of how hard we will push to compete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The last 10 years give me a good idea of how hard we will push to compete. From this you know they will be unhappy right? Or is that just guessing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 From this you know they will be unhappy right? Or is that just guessing? They both came from clubs that were truly challenging every year and Sanchez atleast looks like a born competitor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 So it is a guess about something which might occur after we fail to challenge for the league which in itself is far from certain anyway. We might as well worry about pretty much anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 So it is a guess about something which might occur after we fail to challenge for the league which in itself is far from certain anyway. We might as well worry about pretty much anything It's a calculated guess based on past actions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 It's a calculated guess based on past actions. Hardly we have no past actions from Ozil or Alexis to make such guesses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Hardly we have no past actions from Ozil or Alexis to make such guesses I'm talking about us not really having the ambition to compete, yeah i don't know how Ozil and Sanchez will react to that but i would not be surprised if they would want out if it carries on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I'm talking about us not really having the ambition to compete, yeah i don't know how Ozil and Sanchez will react to that but i would not be surprised if they would want out if it carries on. I really doubt it is a lack of ambition. That doesn't really tally up with what we do it is rather over confidence in what we have and not enough confidence in the transfer market. It is just weird to make such a massive jump to them wanting out. It is just a weak issue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I really doubt it is a lack of ambition. That doesn't really tally up with what we do it is rather over confidence in what we have and not enough confidence in the transfer market. It is just weird to make such a massive jump to them wanting out. It is just a weak issue I really don't see it it as a massive jump. And however you want to explain it over confidence not enough confidence in the market, not signing a outfield player is a problem you can't tell me they could not find one player that could improve us.. Call it not trying to compete, lack of ambition or just stupidity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Given the question marks in the team, it is mind boggling that Wenger thought there is no one out there we can sign who can improve us. Even if a winger, if he's an automatic starter, will greatly improves us if it means we don't have to play Ramsey wide, or Sanchez can be given a rest. I don't know, it's just hard to believe that there wasn't anyone out there we can sign who can improve us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I really don't see it it as a massive jump.And however you want to explain it over confidence not enough confidence in the market, not signing a outfield player is a problem you can't tell me they could not find one player that could improve us.. Call it not trying to compete, lack of ambition or just stupidity. I have said plenty of times we should have found someone. I think to suggest it is a lack of ambition or not trying to compete, and in particular the latter accusation, is just stupid. Given the question marks in the team, it is mind boggling that Wenger thought there is no one out there we can sign who can improve us. Even if a winger, if he's an automatic starter, will greatly improves us if it means we don't have to play Ramsey wide, or Sanchez can be given a rest. I don't know, it's just hard to believe that there wasn't anyone out there we can sign who can improve us. I find it very difficult to think there isn't a DM who could have improved us. We just showed little inclination to find one. I think a winger is not a great example as we have a lot of options there just no idea how to fit them all together unless they're excellent that is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YOUNGSTEVE Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 In fairness to Wenger, it could be that there were not any suitable players, particularly strikers to sign. What would your reaction have been if Wenger had signed an unknown French teenager for 36 million+ or a 4 million limited defender, which is exactly what Man Utd & Chelsea did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmi88 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 would people be happier if we had signed cavani for 50 million which every paper appears to be saying was his value? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 In fairness to Wenger, it could be that there were not any suitable players, particularly strikers to sign. What would your reaction have been if Wenger had signed an unknown French teenager for 36 million+ or a 4 million limited defender, which is exactly what Man Utd & Chelsea did. Yeah exactly would people be happier if we had signed cavani for 50 million which every paper appears to be saying was his value? I don't know really I don't know how good he really is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 If they really honestly cannot find one player that is suitable for us to sign that would improve the team then that is just as big a problem as anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I have said plenty of times we should have found someone. I think to suggest it is a lack of ambition or not trying to compete, and in particular the latter accusation, is just stupid. Whatever the reason i would love to know as i can't think of a good one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 If they really honestly cannot find one player that is suitable for us to sign that would improve the team then that is just as big a problem as anything else. Well quite Whatever the reason i would love to know as i can't think of a good one. There isn't a good one as far as we can tell from the outside. We could find out there is one if we do well this season or even if we don't but I doubt it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 In fairness to Wenger, it could be that there were not any suitable players, particularly strikers to sign. What would your reaction have been if Wenger had signed an unknown French teenager for 36 million+ or a 4 million limited defender, which is exactly what Man Utd & Chelsea did. That's surely not the only options. When the sure thing isn't available, then you need to get creative. We've not been able to identify and secure the more creative options. Someone out there will prove that he's the player we should have signed. I don't know who. would people be happier if we had signed cavani for 50 million which every paper appears to be saying was his value? I would. Put aside the opnion that I think he'd be great for the team, the fact that Wenger is willing to risk 50m on a top striker this season would be greatly appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I saw something like this on Le Grove. Posts a lot of **** but agreed with this general point - The thing is. We have one (or at least did have at one point) of the best scouting networks in world football. Wenger is a self-obsessed football fanatic. He doesn't stop thinking or watching football at any point. He goes home and watches football. He goes on holiday and watches football. He has all the TV channels so he can watch as much football as humanly possible. How is it then that he couldn't identify one player that we could sign who would improve us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Would of been nice to see us attempt at least to sign Arturo Vidal, Carlos Bacca, Yohan Cabaye, all three would of improved us imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Vidal? We need another box to box player? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Vidal? We need another box to box player? Offers more defensively and going forward than coquelin does, and see as we have possession the majority of the time coquelin is pretty useless in those phases, and we get done largely on the counter when we push up so much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Offers more defensively and going forward than coquelin does, and see as we have possession the majority of the time coquelin is pretty useless in those phases, and we get done largely on the counter when we push up so much. Vidal wouldn't help with that as he isn't a holding mid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 ffs It is a massive leap from Ramsey not playing in the position he wants (which is partly down to his own difficulties) to him wanting to leave. Plenty of players have not been able to play the positions they want before and they haven't asked to leave. It's not a massive leap at all. Players tend to be ok with playing out of position when there are better players than him in his 'natural' position and when the team is winning. We will not win the Premier League or the CL this season and Ramsey is the best CM at the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 It's not a massive leap at all. Players tend to be ok with playing out of position when there are better players than him in his 'natural' position and when the team is winning. We will not win the Premier League or the CL this season and Ramsey is the best CM at the club. So it isn't a massive leap to suggest that a player who, you don't know personally, will want to leave. Over a reason which you don't know how important it is to them. As a consequence of an event you don't know if it'll occur. Your reasoning is pure conjecture and supposition. Just weird to throw as complaints possibilities with so many unknowns. It's just finding something to worry about for the sake of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 So it isn't a massive leap to suggest that a player who, you don't know personally, will want to leave. Over a reason which you don't know how important it is to them. As a consequence of an event you don't know if it'll occur. Your reasoning is pure conjecture and supposition. Just weird to throw as complaints possibilities with so many unknowns. It's just finding something to worry about for the sake of it Spot on. Honestly not even remotely worried about our transfer window. Upgraded Goalkeeper. Got a strong squad. It's good enough to challenge. Let's just see what happens rather than getting worked up about what we don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Vidal wouldn't help with that as he isn't a holding mid Our midfield dynamics would change completely with Vidal, I would image. Cazorla would have to become the holding mid, similar to Pirlo, while Vidal does the box-to-box job. I don't think we ever had a chance to compete against Bayern Munich for Vidal anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Wenger had this to say, when asked about the transfer market: "But when you have to invest, when you find the players to invest the money in, the problem at the moment is to find the players that guarantee that you are absolutely a better team after." Which shows that we went into this window pretty conservative. As in, Wenger was never going to make a risky buy. He was always going after the "sure" thing, or nothing at all. There was never going to be a repeat of 2011, where, desperate for signings, Wenger simply went with the best he could buy. There is not freshening up of the squad, no signing to keep people on their toes. Wenger is banking 100% on stability to bring us success this summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Wenger is banking on the improved medical staff really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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