Rittflyers Posted April 19, 2015 Share Posted April 19, 2015 I've done two sims out to 2030ish and noticed that a lot of the players in general have really poor mental attributes. It seems that after the 2017 Draft is when it really starts going downhill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Anyone else experiencing this issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
batdaddy Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 Not far enough in to my own personal game, but it has been reported a few times on TBL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted April 22, 2015 Author Share Posted April 22, 2015 Yeah probably brought up by me(nickflyers) lol. Hi baddad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruh Roh Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yeah, once the game starts generating its own players it feels like the mental stats are really low and the number of top picks that bust is really high. I simulated to 2024 on this one save that I started on the most recent patch, I'll go through the top 10 of the 2019 draft. #1 overall - 19 NHL games played #2 overall - 0 NHL games played #3 overall - 0 NHL games played, though his AHL/in-game stats look pretty good to me #4 overall - 2 NHL games played #5 overall - 0 NHL games played #6 overall - 0 NHL games played #7 overall - 6 NHL games played #8 overall - KHL lifer, pro rights lapsed #9 overall - 146 NHL games played (probably on checking lines), currently in AHL #10 overall - 76 NHL games, 40 points, still with his original organization I think everyone from 1-9 moved around a lot in trades for third round picks, B-prospects, bottom pairing defensemen etc. and it's only #10 who has stayed with the team who drafted him. The draft has produced good players (#14 overall, #20 overall, #41 overall, #53 overall) and a handful of additional roster players, but I think it's fair to criticize the player generation + development mechanism at its current stage. For whatever reason it's not producing anything close to the outcomes of real NHL draft picks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon8789 Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 Noticed the same issues as well. Once the game begins generating it's own prospects the drafts become relatively worthless. There is very little in terms of talent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 NOthing changes with last update Alright. 2038 is where I'm at with the newest update and as far as the mental attributes are concerned nothing has changed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Yeah, once the game starts generating its own players it feels like the mental stats are really low and the number of top picks that bust is really high. I simulated to 2024 on this one save that I started on the most recent patch, I'll go through the top 10 of the 2019 draft.#1 overall - 19 NHL games played #2 overall - 0 NHL games played #3 overall - 0 NHL games played, though his AHL/in-game stats look pretty good to me #4 overall - 2 NHL games played #5 overall - 0 NHL games played #6 overall - 0 NHL games played #7 overall - 6 NHL games played #8 overall - KHL lifer, pro rights lapsed #9 overall - 146 NHL games played (probably on checking lines), currently in AHL #10 overall - 76 NHL games, 40 points, still with his original organization I think everyone from 1-9 moved around a lot in trades for third round picks, B-prospects, bottom pairing defensemen etc. and it's only #10 who has stayed with the team who drafted him. The draft has produced good players (#14 overall, #20 overall, #41 overall, #53 overall) and a handful of additional roster players, but I think it's fair to criticize the player generation + development mechanism at its current stage. For whatever reason it's not producing anything close to the outcomes of real NHL draft picks. Years fluctuate from what I've noticed. Wrote down the numbers to one of the sims I did in an 8 year period Year - 1st Round Good - 1st Round Busts - # 2/3 Rounders That turn out good - Round 4-7 Good Players 2022 - 8 - 22 - 4 - 3 2023 - 21 - 9 - 13 - 3 2024 - 18 - 12 - 16 - 5 2025 - 14 -16 - 17 - 4 2026 - 23 - 7 - 24 - 9 2027 - 22 - 8 - 18 - 7 2028 - 24 - 6 - 13 - 2 2029 - 21 - 9 - 17 - 7 Overall pretty good besides a few wonky years(2022/2025) and I'm liking the late round gems, but as far as the 2nd/3rd rounders I don't know if it's the CPU reaching(ie. those 2nd rounders actually be 1st round Ranked) or just good 2nd round picks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Did a check of this last sim Year - 1st Good - 1st Bust - 2/3 Good - 4-7 Good 2020 - 12 - 18 - 10 - 0 2021 - 18 - 12 - 10 - 1 2022 - 20 - 10 - 9 - 6 2023 - 21 - 9 - 14 - 4 2024 - 16 - 14 - 10 - 7 2025 - 17 - 13 - 19 - 9 2026 - 17- 13 - 18 - 5 2027 - 24 - 6 - 14 - 3 2028 - 20 - 10 - 15 - 5 2029 - 19 - 11 - 14 - 4 2030 - 22 - 8 - 14 - 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnan51 Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Can you do this experiment with Olympic teams? These teams on these dates don't have good players on them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted April 25, 2015 Author Share Posted April 25, 2015 Actually it looks like they do. Are you basing that off the reputation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpejkrm Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 Can you do this experiment with Olympic teams? These teams on these dates don't have good players on them. I believe he is using the U20 teams to showcase the prospects coming out of the draft, which is the issue, not the developed players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted April 26, 2015 Author Share Posted April 26, 2015 No I was doing the National Team. Here is the Top Players in the world(4 Pages worth) to show players that are fully developed and still with bad Mental Attributes The one STAR Reputation Player was a 2018 Draft Pick and is 37 years old Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnan51 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Actually it looks like they do. Are you basing that off the reputation? Yes, because I fail to admit that no Russian, Swedish, or Finnish players in your game would be higher than a good reputation. But your second set of photos does confirm my suspicions, but I do agree, those mental attributes of the top players are quite poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Riz Remes Posted May 4, 2015 SI Staff Share Posted May 4, 2015 Mental attribute development and allocation for newgens will be tuned in the next update, they were getting set too on most occasions for newgens that were created. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 Awesome! You guys kick ass!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harper Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Awesome! You guys kick ass!!! Could you do some posts demonstrating prospect/new-gen development under 15.3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted May 7, 2015 Author Share Posted May 7, 2015 I'll see what I can do. Currently on vacation visiting family. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harper Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I'll see what I can do. Currently on vacation visiting family. Thanks. Also, I didn't mean immediately, but at your leisure. Enjoy vacation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 Thanks. Also, I didn't mean immediately, but at your leisure. Enjoy vacation. It's all good man. There is some gaming time to be had lol. If someone else wants to run a long test sim, by all means go ahead. I'm not the SI Test Sim Guy by any means, just a guy who likes long sim games and is very anal about how well a long sim works before sinking days into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konnan51 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 Update: All leagues enhanced and max database size: 1.) No star players. 2.) Everyone is a great leader. 3.) It's super easy to get in the HHOF. I've included the Mental Attributes of the top three pages of players in my game. I've also included the top 3 draft picks of this upcoming draft. Lastly, I've included the HHOF players with lowest point totals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidhander1983 Posted May 9, 2015 Share Posted May 9, 2015 The "hall of fame" is actually supposed to be like that, it's not a bug and it has always been like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rittflyers Posted May 9, 2015 Author Share Posted May 9, 2015 Sim to 2033(Nov 24th) under Quick Sim setting w/ All leagues enabled(NHL being the only Enhanced) Looks a LOT better then the 15.2 update. I agree with the Reputation issue. Only 1 Star and that's McDavid at age 36 Also the players playing for into their late 30s-early 40s is still there for the current players in the NHL now(i.e the McDavids, Reillys, etc.) but their physical stats are plummeting and even though there are better younger players either unsigned prospects or in the system Could be a GM AI issue? Stamkos is the only player who eclipsed Gordie Howe with only John Tavares, Ryan O'Reilly and Jonathan Toews going over 1700GPs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
doublesky Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I still have issue with poor newgens skills (whether I have to start new save? because my current was started in the beginning of May). And problem is not only with mental skills, but with the physical skills as well. On top of this, all defenders have only defensive skills good and all forwards have only attacking skills good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino-33 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I still have issue with poor newgens skills (whether I have to start new save? because my current was started in the beginning of May) My understanding is while some/most fixes will eventually take effect in a saved game, a new save is always bestThere have been 11 updates since the beginning of May, so there's been a lot addressed since you started your game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino-33 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 3.) It's super easy to get in the HHOF. The "hall of fame" is actually supposed to be like that, it's not a bug and it has always been like that. The HHOF is supposed to be like that? Why? It definitely seems like a bug to me (the HHOF is actually a big deal, the standard should be high) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidhander1983 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Well, Riz stated several times that the leagues hall of fame should be considered as a way to remember the players with good careers, I think it's just a naming issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino-33 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Well, Riz stated several times that the leagues hall of fame should be considered as a way to remember the players with good careers, I think it's just a naming issue. The point isn't the name, the point is the definition of "good careers" HaHaThere are way to many players entering the hall of fame (and for to many their stats/performance is NOT worthy of being there) Here's some data that compares IRL with EHM:EA using the screenshot above (indicating 8 pages of hall of fame inductees after 25 years...I used 7 as the 8th page may not have been full) 23 players x 7 pages = 161 players 161 players / 25 years = over 6 players a year IRL there have been 74 players inducted into the HHOF in the last 25 years https://www.hhof.com/htmlInduct/indyearbyyear.shtml#2014 There are only allowed to be 4 players per year maximum http://www.hhof.com/htmlinduct/indelection.shtml (and not all years have 4 players inducted) EHM:EA is inducting players into the hall of fame at more than double the rate that happens IRL! While part of me thinks that maybe it'd be nice if the user "approved" hall of fame inductees, at the least I think this is a bug that needs to be fixed (to many players are getting into the hall of fame/performance criteria should be raised) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidhander1983 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Don't take this as personal, of course, but that isn't my opinion. Riz stated his definition of "hall of fame" for the game, and I think we should accept it. Maybe "hall of fame" isn't the best name for it, but call it hall of fame, call it player gallery, call it what you want, but Riz created this feature to record some good careers for the different leagues, not to replicate the HHOF in Toronto (therefore you shouldn't ignore other leagues). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino-33 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Don't take this as personal, of course, but that isn't my opinion. Riz stated his definition of "hall of fame" for the game, and I think we should accept it. Maybe "hall of fame" isn't the best name for it, but call it hall of fame, call it player gallery, call it what you want, but Riz created this feature to record some good careers for the different leagues, not to replicate the HHOF in Toronto (therefore you shouldn't ignore other leagues). I guess you missed where I said "the point isn't the name, the point is the definition of good careers"Could you link me to where Riz stated this? I don't recall seeing such a post I'm OK with it not following "Toronto's rules" but I recall in EHM07 frequently feeling the hall of fame inductees were unworthy. It seems to be still an issue in EHM:EA. There are others that feel this way too. Don't take this as personal, but you've been wrong before + people can change their minds when given feedback (it doesn't hurt to bring it up IMO) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino-33 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I just took a look at one of my test games that's in year 2030, as an NHL GM and as a KHL GM.....the two Hall of Fames have different players in them! Here are screenshots of the 2 Hall of Fames (sorted by most Points) Just curious, so I took a look at the SHL Hall of Fame.....they sure have a lot less players than the NHL/KHL! Not even 1 full page compared to 4/5 pages for the KHL/NHL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidhander1983 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I guess you missed where I said "the point isn't the name, the point is the definition of good careers"Could you link me to where Riz stated this? I don't recall seeing such a post I'm OK with it not following "Toronto's rules" but I recall in EHM07 frequently feeling the hall of fame inductees were unworthy. It seems to be still an issue in EHM:EA. There are others that feel this way too. Don't take this as personal, but you've been wrong before + people can change their minds when given feedback (it doesn't hurt to bring it up IMO) Unfortunately I can't recover that, but I am sure that Riz told it before, I am fairly sure he posted it even at TBL. I frankly prefer the "HHOF" the way it is now, but I found the name weird because, as you wrote, the "real" one is a bit different. And who is never wrong on this world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidhander1983 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Just curious, so I took a look at the SHL Hall of Fame.....they sure have a lot less players than the NHL/KHL! I think that it's due to te fact that the SHL plays less games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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