Apex Predator V2 - Tuned for 15.3

[santy001]

I wouldn't say the 3 forwards is the reason its successful, before Rosler even suggested adapting it to a 3-4-3 to me, there was still chances a plenty in a whole host of varied 3 at the back formations because of the defensive players you have following those player filters makes them perfect for shutting down attacks down the wings or dealing with crosses in. It could still work quite effectively by losing a striker in 10 man situations and still win games, that 3rd striker just does push the AI tactics to their limits. But I do imagine if you use the 3-4-3 set up in lower leagues where your players don't match the ideal requirements it could indeed end badly. It feels very much like a kind of formation you play when you know you should be dominating most opponents as it takes an enormous risk opening large amounts of space for the opposition to attack.

[Westralian]

Can I please second the request for a link for your new 3-4-3 tactic mate? One that comes with instructions for free kicks as the above poster mentioned. Cheers!

[Earnie is God!]

OK,

Here's the details for 343 for those who want them.

Not much different but i'll put the team and players instructions up for those on tablets/ipad etc.

Player Instructions

Sweeper Keeper/Defend - Distribute to Full Backs, Take Short Kicks

Central Defender/Defend - Close Down Less, Pass it Shorter

Central Defender/Cover - Close Down Less, Pass it Shorter

Central Defender/Defend - Close Down Less, Pass it Shorter

Wide Midfield Right/Attack - Tackle Harder, Sit Narrower, Cut Inside With Ball, Close Down Much More

Wide Midfield Left/Attack - Tackle Harder, Sit Narrower, Cut Inside With Ball, Close Down Much More

Deep Lying Playmaker/Defend - More Direct Passes, Close Down Much More

Box to Box Midfielder/Support - Tackle Harder, Close Down Much More

Deep Lying Forward/Support - Tackle Harder, Close Down Much More

Advanced Forward/Attack - Tackle Harder, Close Down Much More

Deep Lying Forward/Support - Tackle Harder, Close Down Much More

Mentality - Counter

Team Shape - Structured

Did you mean for that to be much more? Or is it supposed to be 'less' like in your 4-4-2 tactic?

Thanks

[dom.march@laposte.net]

Hi Mr U Rosler, could you upload your 343 ?

[Mr U Rosler]

**** LINK FOR 343 BELOW ****

https://www.mediafire.com/?l995e75uq7l9d17

Set your MR/ML to take corners.

[dom.march@laposte.net]

**** LINK FOR 343 BELOW ****

https://www.mediafire.com/?l995e75uq7l9d17

Set your MR/ML to take corners.

Thanks a lot !

[Westralian]

Thanks mate.

[DJ Sir Matthew]

Thx, hope this can rekindle my interest once more...

[whizzkid]

Whats the best training, i have been using balanced for general and def positioning for match tactic.

Also whats the attributes for the advanced forward and dlf, im not sure if a pacy forward or a target man type of forward is better for the adv forward.

Any help would be appreciated.

[Mr U Rosler]

Whats the best training, i have been using balanced for general and def positioning for match tactic.

Also whats the attributes for the advanced forward and dlf, im not sure if a pacy forward or a target man type of forward is better for the adv forward.

Any help would be appreciated.

Training, once fully fluid, i have been leaving it on balanced for general and team cohesion for match.

Re attributes; Advanced Forward you are looking for a quick, mobile, agile type of player with high finishing and composure. As close to Aguero as you can get.

In my Leeds save i ended up with a guy who was all of the above PLUS great in the air but he never seemed to get any headed goals due to the way the tactic plays (it even came up in a press conference!) so no need for a target man type.

Deep lying forward my first priorities are passing, vision, flair and then when i'm in a position to be very choosy i also look for mobility (acceleration, dribbling etc). These guys will score a few but they are first and foremost required to set up good chances for the Advanced Forward. They don't even need to be great finishers but obviously this would be a bonus.

[cijamus]

MR U Rosler, could you post detailed individual training for every position?

I was trying to put every player to coinciding routine but you've said Wide Midfielder's key attributes are:

Acceleration

Dribbling

Balance

Finishing (if possible)

And training instruction Wide Midfielder doesn't cover these attributes.

[whizzkid]

Think im having second season syndrome my defence is letting in goals left right and centre, im still 2nd in league after 6 games but have conceded:

4 against leicester

5 against man u

7 against athletic madrid

3 against everton

Not sure if its my match training which is on teamwork, my defenders or my midfield

[Mr U Rosler]

Think im having second season syndrome my defence is letting in goals left right and centre, im still 2nd in league after 6 games but have conceded:

4 against leicester

5 against man u

7 against athletic madrid

3 against everton

Not sure if its my match training which is on teamwork, my defenders or my midfield

Its a very attacking set up, if you're not quite 'on it' you can get exposed.

I'd drop in the 442 for few games until you get into good form then switch back.

[cijamus]

I was struggling against 4-3-1-2 formation twice unsuccessfully. Stuttgart and Werder have torn my defense to pieces.

What could you recommend?

My 4 defenders:

And pair of center midfielders:

[Mr U Rosler]

Thanks for the post cijamus.

Its not really my style to counter specific formations favouring a more plug & play approach and taking a season long view on things on the basis you can lose a match for anyone of a number of reasons your tactics obviously being a key one but luck, form, morale, team talks also have a massive influence.

Having said that i'm not aware of a specific weakness against the 4312 although i haven't seen it much in England.

If you are being overrun, particularly against a formation with an AMC i would suggest reverting to 4141, drop an Anchor Man in the DMC position to sit on the opposing AMC and run with 1 striker, with the behaviour of the wide midfielders you should still offer a valid counter attacking threat even with 1 striker.

I often switch to a 4141 with 20 minutes to go to protect a narrow lead, its really firms up the defence and i still bang in a few goals.

[PeeDub]

I sometimes use a few different shouts to counter different formations/strategies. Against a pack-the-middle formation like the 4-3-1-2, I take off "Exploit the Middle". That little bit often helps quite a bit. Against very direct teams I often take off "Close Down Much More" and against teams that sit back a lot I often put on "Retain Possession", sometimes "Work Ball Into Box" - depends on how many long shots I'm taking.

[DavyDepuydt]

Thanks for the post cijamus.

Its not really my style to counter specific formations favouring a more plug & play approach and taking a season long view on things on the basis you can lose a match for anyone of a number of reasons your tactics obviously being a key one but luck, form, morale, team talks also have a massive influence.

Having said that i'm not aware of a specific weakness against the 4312 although i haven't seen it much in England.

If you are being overrun, particularly against a formation with an AMC i would suggest reverting to 4141, drop an Anchor Man in the DMC position to sit on the opposing AMC and run with 1 striker, with the behaviour of the wide midfielders you should still offer a valid counter attacking threat even with 1 striker.

I often switch to a 4141 with 20 minutes to go to protect a narrow lead, its really firms up the defence and i still bang in a few goals.

What role/duty should the one striker have when you switch to 4141 ?

[PeeDub]

What role/duty should the one striker have when you switch to 4141 ?

Not my tactic of course, but I usually use a DLF-A. I want him to link up, but be more attacking than a DLF-S. I've also been converting the DLP-D to a DLP-S when putting a (usually) DM-D behind him.

[DBAH0]

Big fan of the original formation the 4-4-2 nemesis which I've used to dominate with West Ham.

The 3-4-3 formation has piqued my interest, I feel it has a lot of potential, but it still needs some tweaks or a change in formation.

I've had a lot of games where I've won say 5-3 or 6-4, but the opposition seems to be able to get 4-5 CCC's, which is more than the original 4-4-2 formation, it is more attacking though obviously.

I think potentially, the wide midfielders might need to be changed into wing backs, so you'd have an extra 2 defenders in essence, but they'd still be able to contribute in attack. Too often the 2 wider CB's get stretched out, and it leaves the middle CB all on his own.

Not sure if anyone else has similar thoughts.

[Mr U Rosler]

I'm now in Conference South doing the youth academy challange (cant sign any players) and the 442 is far better down here. The 343 is very inconsistent at this level, smash someone one week, get hammered the next.

Having said that i won 5 premier leagues and made 5 champions league finals in a row with a strong Leeds side using the 343 exclusively.

I have played around with wingbacks but i've fallen back in love with the 442, it seems to strike the right balance.

[gotlandskommun]

is it the 442 in first page?

[Mr U Rosler]

Very bottom of 1st post.

Make sure you get the 'nemesis' version.

[gotlandskommun]

u have any lower league filter for players to share-?`dont know what to look for so i would be very grateful if u could make one mate thanks in advice

[Mr U Rosler]

u have any lower league filter for players to share-?`dont know what to look for so i would be very grateful if u could make one mate thanks in advice

Filters aren't much use in lower leagues as you can normally only focus on 1 or 2 of the attributes.

I find it easier to work to a more general model.

The ‘Attackers’ (Both Strikers & Wide Midfielders).

This quartet should be built around quickness (Acceleration then Pace as a priority). This is obviously very useful in counter attacks but also following sustained build up as that yard of pace can get these guys onto a thru ball before a defender can react.

It’s also very useful in defence as the Wide Midfielders can get back into position to form your 2 banks of 4 when you lose the ball.

Once you are in position to get a bit more choosy you can look for Finishing & Composure from your Advanced Forward, Vision & Passing from your Deep Lying Forward and Finishing for your Wide Midfielders (they get in a lot of goal scoring positions).

But first and foremost if this quartet is quick the tactic should begin to function as intended.

Midfield Duo

Lower League I would prioritise Work Rate for these guys to ensure they cover the ground they need to (a high level of Work Rate can be readily found in lower leagues), once you can get picky look for Passing & Tackling for the DLP and Passing on the Box to Box.

Back Four

Lower league you can focus on purely defensive qualities for all of them, a ‘4 Centre Back’ outlook can work meaning 4 big, strong guys across the back or if you have small, quick Full Backs that can work as well.

Any Centre Back even lower down should have decent Jumping Reach & Tackling, try and get at least one quick one and use him in the cover position.

Throw in a couple of full backs with decent tackling/marking and you’re good to go.

So to summarise you are looking for a pacey attack, hard working midfield and 4 specialist ‘defenders’ at the back.

This should serve you well in lower leagues, as you progress you can start layer on the more technical attributes but this model will serve you well right to the top of the League!

[gotlandskommun]

thanks mate

[powerspurge]

the nemesis tactic is phenomenal, i've just won the EPL with Hull City in my 4th season, you hammer teams on shots so as soon as your players develop into top class players you will end up winning most matched

[DJ Sir Matthew]

Just a little update of my experience with Predator V2 : played it with KRC Genk, a subtop team in Belgium. After 5 seasons, we won the league and the cup 5 times, the super cup 3 times, reached the quarter finals of Europa League to lose to later winners PSG and in my last season won the Champion's League.

This tactic absolutely destroyed everything and everyone. My best player was Iheanacho (loan from Man City) and Halilovic (bought from barcelona 'b').

[WillyBroadband]

Mr Rosler this was my favourite tactic for FM15, are you working on anything for '16? Look forward to it if you are man.

[Mr U Rosler]

Thanks for the message.

Yeah, i've been beavering away.

Bit tricky FM16, managed to go 15 games without conceding a goal, but not scoring enough myself.

Central midfielders are too static, every attacking midfield role operates too deep, AMR/AMR don't get involved enough, if you go with 2 or 3 strikers you get overrun in midfield.

Might be onto something though.

[Mark6880]

Thanks for the message.

Yeah, i've been beavering away.

Bit tricky FM16, managed to go 15 games without conceding a goal, but not scoring enough myself.

Central midfielders are too static, every attacking midfield role operates too deep, AMR/AMR don't get involved enough, if you go with 2 or 3 strikers you get overrun in midfield.

Might be onto something though.

I echo 'WillyBroadband' statement and have to say that your 442 tactic for FM15 was by far the best tactic I've used. I always got solid results against teams better than me and it made FM15 enjoyable to play. I hope your going to release something for FM16 soon Mr U Rosler.....

[WillyBroadband]

Thanks for the message.

Yeah, i've been beavering away.

Bit tricky FM16, managed to go 15 games without conceding a goal, but not scoring enough myself.

Central midfielders are too static, every attacking midfield role operates too deep, AMR/AMR don't get involved enough, if you go with 2 or 3 strikers you get overrun in midfield.

Might be onto something though.

Cool, I look forward to whatever that may be. I'm finding FM16 the trickiest yet, I just can't seem to find a decent tactic that is consistent.

[safeer4567@gmail.com]

dont give up man

you rescued a miserable fm15 experiance for me

[Mr U Rosler]

Ok, think i'm settled on an FM16 tactic.

90+ points and 70+ goal difference is my target for a top team.

Exceeded those comfortably, didn't quite get 100 league goals, but used default City squad and with Aguero missing injured most of the season had Bony leading the attack, if Aguero had been fit would have smashed 100 league goals.

Now for Bournemouth test, If I keep them up i'll post the tactic.

If not i'm binning it and starting again

[lee50_11]

Looking forward to the FM16 tactic loved your work on 15.

[Fmfan00]

our mans city tactic Apex Predator v2 what trainign do u use?

[CarlosEsDios]

I always look for your tactics Mr Rosler as I enjoy using them.

Thanks for being such an amazing contributer to this forum